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His friend and family don't like me

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OodlesPoodle · 16/03/2021 12:56

Regular poster but NC to not be linked to my other posts.

I've been dating my bf for a year. We met just before lockdown and are in our 30s. Our relationship is good and I have very strong feelings for him. However, we have a problem that his mother and best friend (woman) do not like me and are vocal about it.

We had some arguments a few months into our relationship, mainly about his crazy working hours (that he was volunteering for) which meant we barely saw each other, his flat being renovated meant I was the only one hosting which took its toll, and with lockdown and redundancy fears it was all quite stressful. These have all been resolved now. Unfortunately he discussed these arguments with his friend and mum (he is living with his mum while his flat gets renovated), and because of it they have taken a strong dislike to me. I have met other friends and colleagues of his who have all liked me.

They have not met me yet despite us all living in the same town. I initially assumed it was because of lockdown but even in the Summer when things opened up, there was no interest in meeting me, and he has now confirmed (after I suggested something for this summer) that they aren't interested period. They have no real reason shared as to why they don't like me, other than the arguments put them off, and they didn't like seeing him upset. I imagine he ranted about me to them. But in my defence, the arguments were only over a few weeks, and he acknowledged his role in them and made changes to his schedule to fit me in more.

I can understand his mum being protective and think with time (and when she meets me), will come around. She doesn't dislike me, tbh he doesn't really know what her reservations are other than she said she doesn't think we will last beyond lockdown ending. No reasons given.

However, it is his friend I don't understand. They are very close and from the day we started dating, she had no interest in getting to know me, learn anything about me, or meet me. I never thought anything of it until the arguments started, and she tried to convince him to break up with me. When he didn't she got upset with him and didn't talk to him for a few weeks. When they got back in contact, she still made her displeasure clear and tried to stop him from going on a trip with me. He got exasperated with her and took a bit of space. When they planned to meet up again, I decided to offer a gesture and baked her a cake i sent with him. She refused to take it (he only told me this after I asked him). He got cross with her and asked her to not be rude. When they met up again, and he asked her how she would be if we were to meet, she said she'd be civil and that was it. There are plans being made for June when things re-open and I am not invited to any of them. She won't refer to me as his gf either. Will ask him questions like, 'How's your lovelife?' - one year on. I only know all this because I asked - in his defence he didn't want me to know. But it's getting hard to hide the truth.

I think she has made it clear that she does not like me, and any meeting with her (and her husband) will be awkward for me. She lives closer to him than I do, so they see each other a few times a week (all SD walks). So she's not someone I can just ignore. Also she is part of his core social group as well. I have asked if she has been like this with other ex-es, and he confirmed that she is just very protective of him so has always been negative about anyone he has dated or liked.

This is really getting me down, even though my bf has reassured me that he likes me and doesn't let other opinions influence him. He thinks I shouldn't care about her or his mum, as I'm the one he is in a relationship with. And I have tried that, but everytime he goes off to meet friend (which is 2-3 times a week), I feel anxious and worried about what she will do to break us up. I don't tell him that. And also I feel weird that he has such a large part of his social life where I cannot feature, because she doesn't want me there. Atm it is ok, as we are in lockdown, but as life re-opens how can I be happy with my bf spending most of his free time with a woman who is rude about me, and has openly snubbed me, and is trying to break us up. And having this social life I will always be excluded from.

I don't know what to do. Part of me wants to walk away from all this drama and negativity. But I really like him, and we haven't had any problems since those initial arguments. But i'm very stressed about his friend and how much she will be in his life (and I guess mine) - I have never had someone openly dislike me this way and it upsets me. He re-assures me that she can't influence him, but I question how he can be happy hanging out so much with someone who pretends his gf doesn't exist. But I would never give an ultimatum, as I want this to be something he resolves himself.

What would you do if you were me? My ideal situation would be she decides to be friendly and welcoming and makes it less awkward for me. But based on recent conversations and the fact I'm excluded from plans makes me think this won't happen. How do I deal? Any advice welcome as I'm feeling very low atm.

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SVRT19674 · 17/03/2021 11:29

oh, and re the mother. When I started going out with my now husband he told me he had been in a relationship with another girl who had insisted on meeting his mom and family. His mom´s answer was: is she the one? the one you are serious about? His answer was: no. Then mom said: then I don´t want to meet her. I don´t do girlfriends.
She agreed to meet me so his answer must have been oh so different!

likeamillpond · 17/03/2021 11:32

The friend doesn't like you because she was top dog before you came along.
Probably liked having him at her back and call and you've ruined it.
It's a tough one.
If you stay with him shell likely hang around like a bad smell and will always be there trying to stir things to.
If you really love him he is going to have to choose. You or her.
She's his friend but she's toxic and it won't work unless he loses her.

likeamillpond · 17/03/2021 11:40

The more I think about it I'm thinking if he thought a lot of you he would be wanting to show you off to all and sundry
Fact he isn't and is prioritising his mother and friend feelings first, before yours, points to the fact. Hes not that into you.
Not as much as he should be.
You deserve better OP.
Ditch him and find someone who appreciates you.

Beamur · 17/03/2021 11:48

The common denominator in this scenario is your boyfriend.
He has either created a narrative that has alienated his Mum and friend from getting to know you on your own terms or is continuing to tolerate/foster this.
Massive boost to his ego all round.
I'd tread carefully here and think about whether this relationship is going to be worth the drama.

OodlesPoodle · 17/03/2021 14:10

Hello all, sorry for delay. Have been reading responses and considering them.

Just answering a few questions:

Regarding the cake, I should have specified it was only a small fruit loaf, that I sent with him as a snack, as they were going for a walk. In hindsight, I'm annoyed at myself because I thought it was a gesture to be friendly (and i normally send him off with baked goods anyway), but the snub just pi55ed me off.

He should be moving back into his flat by June.

I think it would be very risky for him to lie about their true feelings as we could bump into them out and about. The friend lives just a short walk away. Mother too. I have seen his mum's home - she wasn't in, and also his flat, and definitely no other women. I have also met his oldest friends and their wives, and colleagues, so not sure if he just wants me at arms length. Definitely possible I suppose!

He's been pretty transparent about his life, including some dark times, so I don't think his mum/friend would have anything to say about him I don't already know. His other friends/colleagues would definitely know any of that stuff too but he introduced me to them. Can't be sure but my spidey sense hasn't tingled. He's very open with his phone, and laptop and doesn't seem dishonest or manipulative. Certainly nothing else he's lied about that I've noted.

We had a chat last night about how much this is bothering me, and he's said his mum is generally pessimistic about most things, so not to take it personally, and we'll meet her once lockdown is over. He has admitted he is less sure of his friend's reaction, and she can be territorial, but understood my unease and would take me along to the plans anyway. And if she was rude or snarky then would address it with her. As a compromise he was going to stop spending so much time with her as he hadn't realised how much this negativity affected me. And also agreed to not tell me anything they said unless it was positive.

I'm feeling better after the chat but will wait to see how it goes once lockdown is over and I can see how things are then with these people. I don't want to break up with him just yet as apart from this, there aren't any other relationship troubles. And day to day I have no complaints. But if hes still avoiding us meeting later on, or the drama increases, I will definitely leave.

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SunnySideDownBriefly · 17/03/2021 14:50

Hi Oodles, I think you need to park this for now. You can only be you and you need to step back from this stupid situation that your boyfriend has created. I'd keep my eye on boyfriend to check his behaviour - is he lacking in character? I would be worried about the implications of being with someone who goes 'running to mummy'...both his actual Mum and this other weird Mother figure. Just think - is this guy any good for me? Does he make you feel good about yourself and the things you do? He should be your biggest supporter. Not someone who makes you feel insecure and judged. Work this out early and you could save yourself a lot of heartache. You deserve better than this. And stop the stupid arguments - work on communicating better...there is no need to argue.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/03/2021 15:12

However, we have a problem that his mother and best friend (woman) do not like me and are vocal about it.

Vocal to him, I assume? And he is choosing to tell you such a hurtful thing repeatedly?

This is really getting me down, even though my bf has reassured me that he likes me and doesn't let other opinions influence him.

Yet he keeps telling you those negative opinions of others so you know how very lucky you are he stays with you despite them...

He thinks I shouldn't care about her or his mum, as I'm the one he is in a relationship with.

You wouldn't care if he didn't tell you, because you wouldn't know! So why tell you?

And also I feel weird that he has such a large part of his social life where I cannot feature, because she doesn't want me there.

You should feel weird your boyfriend actively wants to spend time socially plus a couple of walks a week (!) with someone he says dislikes you!!!

Mate, your boyfriend sounds like an absolute prick.

Wanderlusto · 17/03/2021 15:17

The cake thing is weird. Why didn't he just tell you they ate it? Or even ,'I scoffed it before they had a chance'. A normal person would do all they can to stop you from getting hurt surely...

KirstenBlest · 17/03/2021 15:31

Only read the OP and first answer.

Bin him.

Blueberries0112 · 17/03/2021 15:35

He sounds like he is trying to make sure to keep his personal life (families and friends) separated from the people he is dating in case things goes wrong.

If it goes on too long, it just means he got his one foot out the door.

I still think his friend is jealous and secretly have feelings for him and his mom is just being his mom- being protective of him

likeamillpond · 17/03/2021 15:41

a small fruit loaf, that I sent with him as a snack, as they were going for a walk

Why the actual fuck are you baking a cake for him to take on a walk with another woman?
Why is he going on walks with her?
You're his bloody girlfriend.
He's having an emotional affair if nothing else.
Why are you putting up with it?
All the things he's doing with her he should be doing with you.
Why are you letting him get away with it?
Why?
Who's the actual girlfriend in this scenario ?

Sorry to be angry with you OP but you can't seem to see what the rest of us are seeing.

OodlesPoodle · 17/03/2021 16:12

@Wanderlusto He did initially lie and say that he'd forgotten to give it to her, but he's not the best liar and I could tell, so I prodded him till he confessed.

@likeamillpond Agreed, the cake was stupid and I'm pissed off at myself. I hadn't actually realised she was so against me tbh, it all came out after the cake incident. Until then I thought she was initially against me but had calmed down since.

In his defence, he never came out and told me any of this stuff until I asked him pointedly wtf was going on, as he kept having group video calls with these particular friends I was never invited to (yet he was invited to my friends video calls). And then after the cake I asked him to tell me exactly how bad it was. And he kept the stuff about his mum quiet until one day I was supposed to pick up something from his and he said I should stay for lunch (with mum). But later cancelled saying his mum hadn't had a chance to tidy. So I went over, picked stuff up and his mum didn't even greet me at all, stayed upstairs. So I asked, and he eventually told me she didn't think we had a future. He hasn't told me anything else since other than mentioning his plans, me asking if they had invited me too, and he said, 'No', and I asked if friend had said anything specifically abt me not coming. He got shifty and i had to drag out of him that she'd said she'd prefer I didn't come but would be civil if I did.

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billy1966 · 17/03/2021 16:19

So much drama.
Lies.
Unpleasantness.

Is this really what you want in your life?

You get to choose if you want drama in your life, you do realise that?

Flowers
RealisticSketch · 17/03/2021 16:31

The friend sounds incredibly childish. My dh had a friend who was similar with me. We had been together for 2 years when he was usher at her wedding, he was the only person there who didn't get a +1 - so I couldn't go.
He and I both gave her plenty of chances to warm to me or at least show willing, but she didn't (without any known reason). She was his oldest friend, they'd been buddies since teen years and she'd met and married her dh while we were together so pretty sure her attitude was not romantic jealousy, but it killed their relationship and when we married she wasn't even invited.
When it boiled down to it she disrespected him by refusing to be supportive of his significant other, her personal feelings towards me were an irrelevant red herring (might have been different if I'd been a toxic gf but that wasn't the case). This doesn't have to be pitched as one female rival against another with the poor hapless male in the middle wishing things would improve. She's a close friend of his and she's crapping on his relationship, if that doesn't make him revaluate her role in his life then he's being a mug.
His mother isn't any better but that's a different dynamic which is trickier to navigate.

AryaStarkWolf · 17/03/2021 16:44

Why is he allowing them treat you that way. I mean his mom is his mom but any decent guy would tell his friend she won't be seeing him either if she can't stop being an asshole towards you. If he doesn't have your back what's the point in being with him?

OodlesPoodle · 17/03/2021 16:48

@RealisticSketch

Wow, that sounds similar to what I'm experiencing. Can I ask how did you cope/manage during the time she was being so unsupportive? And how did your DH handle it? My bf is beginning to see how toxic she is being, but isn't at the stage of cutting her off completely yet.

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SandyY2K · 17/03/2021 16:48

If his mum is so against you, it doesn't bode well if this is to be a serious relationship.

OodlesPoodle · 17/03/2021 16:55

@SandyY2K I know :( And it worries me. I think if after meeting me, she's still against our relationship, I will have to reconsider. I don't need her to love me, but not being all doom and gloom so openly would be nice!

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Blueberries0112 · 17/03/2021 17:30

his mom’s behavior make me wonder if she have anxiety, or she is prejudice about something. I have seen people who refused to meet someone because they are prejudice.

optimistic40 · 17/03/2021 17:42

I agree with bloodystupidjohnson and if the rest of your relationship is great, do not ever introduce the topic of this friend of his, or his mother.

Suagar · 17/03/2021 17:52

@OodlesPoodle
Ditch this man. You sound way more into this relationship than he is. Always judge a man by his actions not his words.

The fact he was volunteering to do extra work hours when he should be super keen to see/be in contact with you is a sure sign you're just not it for him. You should have dumped him at that stage,honestly. This is meant to the honeymoon period, things only go downhill from then on. You shouldn't be having these sorts of argument, he should naturally want to move things around to be with you and make a good impression you and woo you. ALL men automatically do this for women they value.

His friends/family feel confident enough to be vocal about you because he'd have made it clear to them that he doesn't see you as a long term prospect/woman he wants to spend the rest of his life with, just a 'good for now woman' providing him convenient sex/companionship. If he was head over heels with you, he would naturally be fighting your corner.

He sounds so unworthy of you- ditch him or he'll continue disrespecting you and you'll miss out on finding a man who actually wants to priortise you.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/03/2021 17:57

@optimistic40

I agree with bloodystupidjohnson and if the rest of your relationship is great, do not ever introduce the topic of this friend of his, or his mother.
But that still leaves the issue that he wants to spend time with someone who actively dislikes OP, who (assuming she is being honest) hasn't done anything terrible enough to warrant that. I wouldn't want to hang out with someone who thought my partner is a prick, because he isn't one and I love him. That should be the case in any healthy relationship. Not everyone has to be best mates or close but this friend actively and vocally (apparently) dislikes OP.
tinglymint · 17/03/2021 18:01

His friend sounds bizarre and very negative. And is probably used to being the only woman in his life (other than mummy). I wouldn't bother with her. The cake thing though - could be as simple as her not liking fruit loaf. I'd turn that down too as I don't like fruit loaf cake!

FunTimes2020 · 17/03/2021 18:13

@Monr0e

They can't not like you, they don't know you.

If they don't want anything to do with you based on things he said about you 9 months ago they must have been pretty bloody awful.

I would never have such strong feelings about a friends partner, especially one I had never met, unless they had been abusive.

So either they are bat shit, in which case I wouldn't want yo meet them anyway, or he's lying about what he's told them about you.

And if he's being genuine, he needs to think hard about why he wants to stay friends with someone who is so awful about his partner who she hasn't even met.

Spot on, everything you said.
Defmy · 17/03/2021 18:14

I think the problem is him.