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DP wants "Time and Space"

68 replies

ColdLonelyWinter · 09/03/2021 22:23

I'm not sure how to take this request - is it ever good news? He says he loves me, but his life is such a mess right now (it is) that he needs to "fix it" and then "come back for me".

Start off with saying we don't live together, we live about 40 minutes apart (kids in different schools) but we were planning to buy a place together in the summer and get married.

DP is prone to anxiety and withdrawal when he's stressed, but he's never wanted to not communicate with me before, even in very hard times. In fact, when I have not wanted to communicate if I was angry or upset, he's always explained he thinks doing that is the beginning of the end. So this has me quite worried.

We were in relationship difficulties over the last five months. I don't want to go off on a tangent but we had a huge fight over his ex wife controlling our lives and trying to undermine me and I told him it was over because I couldn't take anymore. He ended up talking to her about it over wine when he dropped off the kids that night, and the rest is history.

I broke it off for a while (he confessed), but he begged me to come back, said I was the love of his life and it was his worst mistake ever, and since then we've been having counselling together and he's pulled out all the stops to reconcile.

As upsetting and hard as it was (I was devastated!), we were doing really well for a few months with it. He was Mr "I am here for you, no matter how much anger and pain you have, I am here to make you feel better" and he was making sure my feelings and needs came first.

Our relationship actually became better than ever as he started to work out some of the baggage he was carrying from his divorce in counselling and understand the reasons he did what he did. We were both saying we were closer and happier than ever before, and that's when he proposed.

Then he found out he was being made redundant and he got really stressed about that. He's been looking for ages and made lots of applications and had interviews but keeps getting knocked back and he has been really down and worried about it. His self-esteem is shot to bits and he started being anxious almost all the time and saying that our plans to buy a house were scuppered and so on.

Then, maybe understandably, he lost interest completely in working on the infidelity situation and wanted all our conversations to be about how anxious he was about his job and the future and he was full of negativity and hopelessness (really out of character for him so maybe he is depressed).

Maybe also understandably I eventually got a bit resentful and irritated that he seemed to have shifted completely off my needs onto his own. I was empathetic over his worries, but I felt he was blowing it out of proportion because we are okay financially and he has six months left yet to find a new job. His anxiety was just huge though, and it really did turn into every conversation being about his job and I felt like my needs to process the infidelity were being disregarded.

So we started to argue a bit and he just kept apologising for being self-absorbed and reassuring me how much he loved me. I really have no idea if I was expecting too much but it was obvious he was struggling to meet my needs due to his own anxiety. I was very kind to him and patient, but at times I lost my patience when he was dodging counselling appointments and so on.

With this in the background, his ex wife was putting a lot of pressure on him. FYI he didn't leave her for me, but she wants him back. Before having too much sympathy for the ex wife, I should say that through counselling he has been working through that she severely emotionally abused him. The counsellor called it "extreme", so he was right to leave the relationship.

Anyway, she has been trying since he left to get him back and sleeping with her when drunk hardly helped the situation and she has been constantly trying to orchestrate getting him alone or disrupting out relationship. He seems to be simultaneously terrified of her (she uses the children and finances as ways to control him) but she also manages to make him feel sorry for her and like everything is his fault (see emotional abuse, she is very good at it).

So this added to the pressure on us as a couple, I wanted him to get tough on the ex wife and stand up to her as well as focusing a bit of time each week on our infidelity recovery work, and he kept promising to do it but then being too anxious to actually follow through.

So over the last two weeks, we both started to get ill. He came home in the middle of the day a few times last week with panic attacks after calls from his ex wife threatening all sorts as well as yet more job application rejections and he was crying a lot too (doesn't usually cry) because he said he was worried I would leave him.

Then he said a few times that he was worried he couldn't "meet my needs" or "keep me safe" and said a few times maybe I would be better off without him and maybe the most loving thing he could do is let me go. He said he didn't have the emotional capacity to give me what I needed because he was drowning. I tried to help him, I was very kind as I could see he was in difficulty. I asked him if he wanted to break up or give up and he kept saying that he absolutely didn't and fear of losing me was his worst outcome.

Then when I think we were both at maximum stress level already, the ex wife started issuing more demands and he ended up giving in to something he and I had explicitly agreed would absolutely not happen. I was fuming, he said he was just trying to keep the situation under control, the counsellor said she was bullying him and it all reached an ultimatum where I told him unless he did what was right by me and not his ex wife that I was leaving.

He cried loads but said he felt maybe time and space would be best for both of us because he said hurting me was a huge part of his anxiety. He says he loves me and keeping me safe is his number one priority and right now being away from him keeps me safe (???) and he says he needs to deal with sorting his problems one by one alone and then he will be back for me.

I said okay, and it's been three days of "time and space", but I am wondering what this means? We've always leaned on each other in hard times so this feels like it's the end. I've spoken to him briefly and he said he is ill with anxiety, having trouble sleeping and so on and he is going to use this time to fix all his problems.

I feel abandoned. I also feel sorry for him. I am confused. Is it over do you think?

I was baffled by all this and asked him if it was a nice way of telling me he wants to leave, but he said that is absolutely not the case

OP posts:
pog100 · 09/03/2021 22:36

Me, I think no relationship is worth this much trouble and drama and I'd give so much time and space that you find someone to have a normal, peaceful, simple calm relationship with.

HollowTalk · 09/03/2021 22:39

Oh blimey, you have dodged a bullet with this one. I'm so glad you're not living together - it makes everything a thousand times easier.

I wouldn't have been able to forgive him for the infidelity. His ex will always be there, even when the children are adults. She'll always be there to remind of what happened.

I'm so sorry, it's such a shit situation for you.

sunnyzweibrucken · 09/03/2021 22:46

Too much drama with the ex. Including him sleeping with her. I would let him go as he will never be from the ex and it doesn’t seem that he truly wants to be.

honeysuckle21 · 09/03/2021 22:49

Well if can't cope now, what sort of husband would he make? you don't want him to keep quitting on you, relationships that get into a cycle of making and breaking up are stressful and draining. I doubt it'll be any different after he's fixed himself, sometimes the relationship just isn't right.
Do you really want to wait around on him for the whole thing to go round in a circle again, it's shit.

FreddyTheFlute · 09/03/2021 22:49

Stop wasting your time on him. It shouldnt be this hard.!

daryldixonsdreamgirl · 09/03/2021 22:56

It sounds like you've actually had a lucky escape, he sounds awful.

Dery · 09/03/2021 23:02

“Well if can't cope now, what sort of husband would he make? you don't want him to keep quitting on you, relationships that get into a cycle of making and breaking up are stressful and draining. I doubt it'll be any different after he's fixed himself, sometimes the relationship just isn't right.
Do you really want to wait around on him for the whole thing to go round in a circle again, it's shit.”

This.

WilsonMilson · 09/03/2021 23:03

He shagged his ex wife???

Is there anything else to really say? Dear God, please give this man an entire universe of space for all eternity. So not worth it.

category12 · 09/03/2021 23:05

Take it as a gift and opportunity to break it off for good.

Silenceisgolden20 · 09/03/2021 23:07

It was over the moment he slept with his ex. Probably before then.
He is putting you in the triangle and you are playing the pick me dance.

He is way too involved with his ex and their issues and not ready for a relationship. You can't fix him or blame her all the time. Drunk or not, no one made him sleep with her.
Stop blaming the ex all the time as he is a grown man, not a child that needs direction from competing women.
I know this hurts but find your self respect and your anger.
And dump him the fool

Silenceisgolden20 · 09/03/2021 23:10

Oh and if she wants him back, let her gladly take him. Because they didn't work before and they won't work now because they are toxic together and you don't have to be anywhere near that or part of it.
Save yourself the energy.

Fireflygal · 09/03/2021 23:11

You are being triangulated. Do you really believe his wife is 100% at fault for sleeping with him? At best he is a weak man who can't let go of his ex wife. Who told you of the infidelity? Perhaps the plans for marriage has made him realise he has unfinished business.

I think you need to stand back and see the toxic situation you are in.

Spinachsarah · 09/03/2021 23:19

Erm you know he’s still sleeping with her from what he’s saying don’t you?

CorianderBee · 09/03/2021 23:23

To be honest it sounds like he's spiralling into a MH crisis and I'd be seriously worried. Have you checked he isn't thinking of suicide?

Hailtomyteeth · 09/03/2021 23:27

You're being played. Sorry.

Spinachsarah · 09/03/2021 23:42

Also how do you know what her counsellor has said?

billy1966 · 10/03/2021 00:06

Why on earth would you want such drama in your life.

You should have dumped him when he was unfaithful.

He was showing you who he was.
You really should have listened.

Move on to less drama.
Flowers

Aquamarine1029 · 10/03/2021 00:11

You. Can't. Trust. Him.

That's all you need to know, isn't it?

Eckhart · 10/03/2021 00:14

I feel abandoned

Why do you need to know more than this?

Onthedunes · 10/03/2021 01:15

How long have you been together?

I think he has un finished business with his wife, that is not going to go away.
Find a free agent, this situation is too much trouble.

HadEnoughofOtherThreads · 10/03/2021 01:34

You’re well rid and lucky that you did not have a mortgage or other finances tied up with him. Move on!

SandyY2K · 10/03/2021 01:41

His Ex will continue to be part of your relationship.

He's unable to stand up to her and if you remain in the relationship, she will control you via him.

Let him go. He's not emotionally available for a new relationship.

Snowball70 · 10/03/2021 03:40

@SandyY2K

His Ex will continue to be part of your relationship.

He's unable to stand up to her and if you remain in the relationship, she will control you via him.

Let him go. He's not emotionally available for a new relationship.

yip 🌺

MsDogLady · 10/03/2021 03:46

Your Partner is enmeshed with his controlling Ex. When push came to shove, he slept with her, broke your agreement to prioritize her, and has now chosen to put distance between you.

If you stay with him, this chaos will be the story of your life. Are you going to sabotage your future?

sunlight81 · 10/03/2021 04:18

Wayyyyyy too much drama. Relationships shouldnt be this hard!!!

Cut him loose, put urself first - there is definitely a more suitable fish out there!!