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DP wants "Time and Space"

68 replies

ColdLonelyWinter · 09/03/2021 22:23

I'm not sure how to take this request - is it ever good news? He says he loves me, but his life is such a mess right now (it is) that he needs to "fix it" and then "come back for me".

Start off with saying we don't live together, we live about 40 minutes apart (kids in different schools) but we were planning to buy a place together in the summer and get married.

DP is prone to anxiety and withdrawal when he's stressed, but he's never wanted to not communicate with me before, even in very hard times. In fact, when I have not wanted to communicate if I was angry or upset, he's always explained he thinks doing that is the beginning of the end. So this has me quite worried.

We were in relationship difficulties over the last five months. I don't want to go off on a tangent but we had a huge fight over his ex wife controlling our lives and trying to undermine me and I told him it was over because I couldn't take anymore. He ended up talking to her about it over wine when he dropped off the kids that night, and the rest is history.

I broke it off for a while (he confessed), but he begged me to come back, said I was the love of his life and it was his worst mistake ever, and since then we've been having counselling together and he's pulled out all the stops to reconcile.

As upsetting and hard as it was (I was devastated!), we were doing really well for a few months with it. He was Mr "I am here for you, no matter how much anger and pain you have, I am here to make you feel better" and he was making sure my feelings and needs came first.

Our relationship actually became better than ever as he started to work out some of the baggage he was carrying from his divorce in counselling and understand the reasons he did what he did. We were both saying we were closer and happier than ever before, and that's when he proposed.

Then he found out he was being made redundant and he got really stressed about that. He's been looking for ages and made lots of applications and had interviews but keeps getting knocked back and he has been really down and worried about it. His self-esteem is shot to bits and he started being anxious almost all the time and saying that our plans to buy a house were scuppered and so on.

Then, maybe understandably, he lost interest completely in working on the infidelity situation and wanted all our conversations to be about how anxious he was about his job and the future and he was full of negativity and hopelessness (really out of character for him so maybe he is depressed).

Maybe also understandably I eventually got a bit resentful and irritated that he seemed to have shifted completely off my needs onto his own. I was empathetic over his worries, but I felt he was blowing it out of proportion because we are okay financially and he has six months left yet to find a new job. His anxiety was just huge though, and it really did turn into every conversation being about his job and I felt like my needs to process the infidelity were being disregarded.

So we started to argue a bit and he just kept apologising for being self-absorbed and reassuring me how much he loved me. I really have no idea if I was expecting too much but it was obvious he was struggling to meet my needs due to his own anxiety. I was very kind to him and patient, but at times I lost my patience when he was dodging counselling appointments and so on.

With this in the background, his ex wife was putting a lot of pressure on him. FYI he didn't leave her for me, but she wants him back. Before having too much sympathy for the ex wife, I should say that through counselling he has been working through that she severely emotionally abused him. The counsellor called it "extreme", so he was right to leave the relationship.

Anyway, she has been trying since he left to get him back and sleeping with her when drunk hardly helped the situation and she has been constantly trying to orchestrate getting him alone or disrupting out relationship. He seems to be simultaneously terrified of her (she uses the children and finances as ways to control him) but she also manages to make him feel sorry for her and like everything is his fault (see emotional abuse, she is very good at it).

So this added to the pressure on us as a couple, I wanted him to get tough on the ex wife and stand up to her as well as focusing a bit of time each week on our infidelity recovery work, and he kept promising to do it but then being too anxious to actually follow through.

So over the last two weeks, we both started to get ill. He came home in the middle of the day a few times last week with panic attacks after calls from his ex wife threatening all sorts as well as yet more job application rejections and he was crying a lot too (doesn't usually cry) because he said he was worried I would leave him.

Then he said a few times that he was worried he couldn't "meet my needs" or "keep me safe" and said a few times maybe I would be better off without him and maybe the most loving thing he could do is let me go. He said he didn't have the emotional capacity to give me what I needed because he was drowning. I tried to help him, I was very kind as I could see he was in difficulty. I asked him if he wanted to break up or give up and he kept saying that he absolutely didn't and fear of losing me was his worst outcome.

Then when I think we were both at maximum stress level already, the ex wife started issuing more demands and he ended up giving in to something he and I had explicitly agreed would absolutely not happen. I was fuming, he said he was just trying to keep the situation under control, the counsellor said she was bullying him and it all reached an ultimatum where I told him unless he did what was right by me and not his ex wife that I was leaving.

He cried loads but said he felt maybe time and space would be best for both of us because he said hurting me was a huge part of his anxiety. He says he loves me and keeping me safe is his number one priority and right now being away from him keeps me safe (???) and he says he needs to deal with sorting his problems one by one alone and then he will be back for me.

I said okay, and it's been three days of "time and space", but I am wondering what this means? We've always leaned on each other in hard times so this feels like it's the end. I've spoken to him briefly and he said he is ill with anxiety, having trouble sleeping and so on and he is going to use this time to fix all his problems.

I feel abandoned. I also feel sorry for him. I am confused. Is it over do you think?

I was baffled by all this and asked him if it was a nice way of telling me he wants to leave, but he said that is absolutely not the case

OP posts:
ravenmum · 10/03/2021 10:41

Massive drama - everything is extreme: he loves you more than anything, will always be there for you; if you are upset it's the beginning of the end, your dreams are scuppered. Losing you is the worst outcome. Him going off is to "keep you safe". He's the romantic hero in a story where it's all or nothing.

You're a grown adult and don't need a hero. Buying a house with someone this flaky would be a huge risk. Take advantage of the fact that he has gone off. Is he with his ex?

Silenceisgolden20 · 10/03/2021 10:55

Look at it this way, HE cheated on you and hes the one with the anxiety?
Why is it all about him?

edwinbear · 10/03/2021 11:13

It sounds like he is really suffering with his mental health. When people are in this frame of mind, they are very inwardly focused and simply don't have the capacity to consider anyone else, other than themselves. It's a fight or flight thing. You can't fix him OP, he needs to do that for himself, and he can't give you what you need whilst he's doing it. I've been in relationships with men who suffer with their MH, it's really not worth it. You put in so much effort trying to help and support them and get nothing back. Please just walk away gracefully and leave him to it.

crackingcrackers · 10/03/2021 11:24

This sounds too hard.

What he's shown is he can't deal with things when they are hard. Even when he's been complicit in creating one of the difficult situations. He's given up and run away. He seems to think he can wait out the storm somewhere else and it'll all just die down.

You can't fix him or his situation. The only thing you can do is to take care of yourself and it sounds like that will be much easier to do without him. As painful as that will be at first.

Alexandernevermind · 10/03/2021 12:31

Whilst I sympathise with his MH issues, he is a mess because of his own actions. He is stuck in a tug of war of his creation between you and his ex. He is making her worse by sleeping with her when he is drunk, and I don't care how much wine you've had, you don't jump into bed with your ex unless there is still a spark there. He is keeping you dangling with the I love yous and puppy eyes. The best you can do for the both of you is walk away.

user1493494961 · 10/03/2021 12:38

Let her have him back and move on, too much drama.

icdtap · 10/03/2021 13:27

. He was Mr "I am here for you, no matter how much anger and pain you have, I am here to make you feel better" and he was making sure my feelings and needs came first.

Complete and utter guff.
And as it turned out, the minute something else happened (him losing his job), the focus was all on him again and your feelings and needs were no longer relevant.

He's done you a favour by asking for "time and space".
Do yourself a favour and make that permanent. He'll be shagging his ex again in no time if you get back together and if you don't he'll be back with her on a permanent basis pretty quickly too.

There is far too much drama going on. A relationship should not be this hard work.

I wanted him to get tough on the ex wife and stand up to her as well as focusing a bit of time each week on our infidelity recovery work, and he kept promising to do it but then being too anxious to actually follow through.
Fucking hell.. "Infidelity recovery work"- sounds like a nightmare and he's not interested in doing whatever it is anyway using excuses like being too anxious.

Bin.

Eckhart · 10/03/2021 13:30

infidelity recovery work

Leaving him and getting over it.

DianaT1969 · 10/03/2021 15:55

Wow, exhausting! To be honest, you need to own some of this mess. All of this counselling, 'meet your needs' and 'keep you safe'. You say it about yourself, these aren't just his words. You aren't a hamster. Nobody needs to meet your needs or keep you safe. You are a grown, independent woman with a family. Walk away from drama. Be supportive of his MH - as a friend. Drop out romantically. As another poster said, he sounds at rock bottom and we all know that men deserve to express their emotions, rather than bottle it up.
But as a partner, no.
Move on.

nicewheels · 10/03/2021 16:06

It is good news.
He's revealed his not relationship material and he's not interested in a relationship with you.
I assume he will end up back with his wife, you need to dump him before you get dragged into fighting over him with her (which it seems as if you are already going to be fair?)

Eckhart · 10/03/2021 16:21

@DianaT1969

I agree with your post, but this was easy to misunderstand:

Nobody needs to meet your needs

Your partner must meet your relationship needs, and if not, you leave them. It's not that you're supposed to meet all your relationship needs yourself and expect nothing from your partner.

Suagar · 10/03/2021 20:46

Goodness gracious what an unnecessarily long post for something which is very simple: he cheated and he's not sure he wants to be with you. There's no need to overcomplicate things. Perhaps he wants to go back with his ex wife which is understandable considering their history and kids together. Stop wasting your time and end it.

IdblowJonSnow · 10/03/2021 20:50

Way too much drama OP.
Cut your losses while you can and give him all the space and time in the world.

NotSeenBulling · 10/03/2021 22:16

Hi ex is still very much an option in his life. He is wanting to explore this. He will sleep with her again and start a relationship with her again. When it goes tits up he will be back with another load of BS.

Let him go. He is not committed to you enough to stay. Go quiet, let him go and concentrate all your efforts on looking after yourself. You do not deserve to have a man like this in your life. He probably has a bit of Stockholm syndrome with her. It matters not at all what it is all about. Block him once he drives away.

RevolvingPivot · 11/03/2021 08:54

Op if you were to move in together would that mean the kids were to move schools? Thank god you hadn't!!

Cockenspiel · 11/03/2021 09:05

Good grief Confused

Just leave and don’t ever look back.

Cloudfrost · 11/03/2021 12:02

Honestly everyone in this story sounds awful including you. What infidelity?? What cheating? You broke up with him and then he slept with his ex, although really shitty, it's not cheating. It's best for everyone to end this and walk away from all the drama

RevolvingPivot · 11/03/2021 12:21

It's strange how you only mention the "cheating" way down. You think you would start with that. However it's not great him having sex with her so soon but did he think you were separated??

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