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Is this man racist?

68 replies

piddocktrumperiness · 27/02/2021 12:32

So I went on a date with a guy (he's in his 40's, I'm in my mid 30's) went for a walk and he was complimenting me on how I looked that day saying I was just his type. I asked for some clarification and he went on to say what he usually finds attractive and what he doesn't, and mentioned something along the lines of "I don't like fat girls or black girls, I'm not racist I just know what I like and don't in a partner". He went on to say he went on a date with a black woman and they didn't click.

Anyway, I didn't know whether he was talking about preferences so I thought I'd give him the benefit of doubt. On a separate occasion during a conversation we stumble on the topic of BGT. He asked what I thought about Diversity's dance. I hadn't seen it. He said he had nothing against the message, that he agreed with it but didn't like the fact they used the platform to 'lecture' people on a political message- that "People wanted to watch BGT for fun and to see a good dance not get lectured at".
He showed me on his phone and I honestly thought nothing of it- good dance and great message. BGT is shit to me anyway.

He continued to say he had nothing wrong to say about the message- hates that people experience racism and then added "some of the nicest people I know are black" and told me about this one kid he went to school with "lovely guy- good as gold"
He then talked about how an Mp was done for using the term 'nitty gritty' and how he never knew it was linked to slavery.

Fast forward to later in the day. We talk about stand up comedy and who we like and don't like. He mentioned that his friend was going out with a local stand up comedian, that was a generally an unpleasant man, treated her badly, and who was crap at comedy and that he always goes for cheap laughs and talks about his experiences of being black in his material, like there is nothing else he can find material on. I asked what his name was so I can watch and he told me whilst rolling his eyes ( as if to say 'no surprises there')

We watch Tv and this show was on with a couple from the Caribbean and he says "how can she be so much lighter than him when they're both from the Caribbean- mad isn't it? (he then proceeded to talk about the slave trade and Britain's involvement and how essentially it was survival of the fittest for those that ended up in the Carribbean- and how the whole thing was brutal)

This man tells me he believes in social justice, has fought in the military, always steps in when he sees someone being treated unfairly and has said that he believes we are all equal and should all be treated with respect. So much so that he left the military because he didn't like what was happening to the citizens there and felt it was all unfair.

It's getting me all confused. Is he ignorant, racist or neither?

I'd like to ask him a question or give him a hypothetical scenario to finally know what he truly is.

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piddocktrumperiness · 27/02/2021 12:34

I forgot to mention he said he made a complaint to OFCOM after Diverity's dance- it got a lot of complaints from what he told me.

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elephantasia · 27/02/2021 12:36

Yes he is racist

HeadNorth · 27/02/2021 12:36

He sounds a lecturing buffoon with a side order of casual racism. I am sure you can do better.

RosesAndHellebores · 27/02/2021 12:36

It seems to arise rather a lot in your general conversations. Who raises it in the first place.

Uhtredswoman · 27/02/2021 12:36

Yes.

Divorcethediv · 27/02/2021 12:38

Yeah - there’s loads about like him. I call them ‘politically aware racists’. Or twats.
I wouldn’t see him again tbh

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 27/02/2021 12:39

At best, ignorant and deeply unaware of his own privilege. If you dig deeper you will probably find misogyny as well.

FTMF30 · 27/02/2021 12:39

That's alot of times he's brought up race from one date. Even if more than one date, he seems fixated i.e racist.

Aquamarine1029 · 27/02/2021 12:39

He's a massive tit, racist or not. Give this man a hard pass.

piddocktrumperiness · 27/02/2021 12:43

@RosesAndHellebores
He does not intentionally I don't think but usually because something reminded him of something else. I don't bring it up deliberately.

It's really odd because his first name is middle eastern, his father was middle eastern (left when he was born) and I am not white.

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PPNC · 27/02/2021 12:43

I think he is the absolute example of what we are creating with pushing the whole agenda too much. Someone who is inherently casually racist and now has a justified (in his mind) reason to discuss it based on the political agenda. As PP says he’s probably casually sexist and homophobic too.

It would be a hard pass for me.

piddocktrumperiness · 27/02/2021 12:46

@EvenMoreFuriousVexation I thought that too but he has mentioned in passing that he agrees with feminists and cannot understand how 50% of the world's population are treated like a minority. He also has a sibling who is Trans and his best friend is gay.

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 27/02/2021 12:47

Yes - the oh I like some black people line as if that’s unique or black people are a different species - don’t see again

piddocktrumperiness · 27/02/2021 12:48

lots of scratching my head moments that's for sure

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sunnyzweibrucken · 27/02/2021 13:11

He definitely has a problem with black people that’s for sure.

babbaloushka · 27/02/2021 13:12

Sounds like he's wrestling with internalised racism and not sure how to reconcile his feelings with the knowledge that it's wrong.

Happycat1212 · 27/02/2021 13:12

I don’t think it’s racist to not date people of a certain race and I say that as a mixed race person, if he doesn’t find black women attractive then I think that’s fine I know lots of black women who wouldn’t date white men/ don’t find them attractive. I’m not sure how that’s racist it’s just a preference. However the rest does make him sound a bit obsessed with race so I wouldn’t take it any further however the rest on its own no it’s not racist.

Aquamarine1029 · 27/02/2021 13:19

He's a head fuck. Move on.

AlexaShutUp · 27/02/2021 13:19

I would feel very uncomfortable with that tbh. He does sound racist. Sorry.

Wanderlusto · 27/02/2021 13:24

@Aquamarine1029

He's a head fuck. Move on.
You lost me at 'he was complimenting me and telling him I was just his type' on date one. Ick.

Also he sounds preachy and he keeps bringing the topic back to race. Very weird.

Too into himself op.
Rin fir the hills.

justanotherneighinparadise · 27/02/2021 13:29

I would say that for a white person to have so many opinions on black people in the media and elsewhere this is obviously a subject they have strong feelings about. Most people would have no opinion on any of the stuff he ranted about. They’d perhaps read the news articles about BGT and diversity and think it was a lot of fuss about nothing, or they’d just skim the article and move onto something else. The fact that he bought it up in conversation and was animated about it would lead me to believe, along with the other examples, that he was a racist intolerant twat and I’d cut him lose. He will only become more intolerant as he ages. I can assure you of that.

Silenceisgolden20 · 27/02/2021 13:40

@piddocktrumperiness

I forgot to mention he said he made a complaint to OFCOM after Diverity's dance- it got a lot of complaints from what he told me.
What a twat. Yeah he's a racist. But one of those ones that protests they're not as they have a black friend or whatever. He talks about it a lot doesn't he?
Wanderlusto · 27/02/2021 13:40

I would have initially thought that maybe he brought race issues up again after the whole 'not fancying black women' convo because he was worrying you might think he was racist.

However, this is clearly not the case. Because whilst it is not racist not to be attracted to a certain race...it seems like this convo was a foot in the door for him to then go on to point out how a shit person he knew happened to be black ect...as if he is testing the water to your reaction to that.

A stage by stage approach to testing where your boundaries are. 'Does she let me talk disparigingly about a certain race/about women/about my exs ect...where is her line? How much shot will she tolerate without saying anything? How easy to manipulate is she?'.

Silenceisgolden20 · 27/02/2021 13:40

Also why would he tell you on a first date he had dated a black woman? That's weird.

Silenceisgolden20 · 27/02/2021 13:44

Oh yeah what another poster said about checking your boundaries to see if you're ok with it.
Ask why he keeps talking about it?

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