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Is this man racist?

68 replies

piddocktrumperiness · 27/02/2021 12:32

So I went on a date with a guy (he's in his 40's, I'm in my mid 30's) went for a walk and he was complimenting me on how I looked that day saying I was just his type. I asked for some clarification and he went on to say what he usually finds attractive and what he doesn't, and mentioned something along the lines of "I don't like fat girls or black girls, I'm not racist I just know what I like and don't in a partner". He went on to say he went on a date with a black woman and they didn't click.

Anyway, I didn't know whether he was talking about preferences so I thought I'd give him the benefit of doubt. On a separate occasion during a conversation we stumble on the topic of BGT. He asked what I thought about Diversity's dance. I hadn't seen it. He said he had nothing against the message, that he agreed with it but didn't like the fact they used the platform to 'lecture' people on a political message- that "People wanted to watch BGT for fun and to see a good dance not get lectured at".
He showed me on his phone and I honestly thought nothing of it- good dance and great message. BGT is shit to me anyway.

He continued to say he had nothing wrong to say about the message- hates that people experience racism and then added "some of the nicest people I know are black" and told me about this one kid he went to school with "lovely guy- good as gold"
He then talked about how an Mp was done for using the term 'nitty gritty' and how he never knew it was linked to slavery.

Fast forward to later in the day. We talk about stand up comedy and who we like and don't like. He mentioned that his friend was going out with a local stand up comedian, that was a generally an unpleasant man, treated her badly, and who was crap at comedy and that he always goes for cheap laughs and talks about his experiences of being black in his material, like there is nothing else he can find material on. I asked what his name was so I can watch and he told me whilst rolling his eyes ( as if to say 'no surprises there')

We watch Tv and this show was on with a couple from the Caribbean and he says "how can she be so much lighter than him when they're both from the Caribbean- mad isn't it? (he then proceeded to talk about the slave trade and Britain's involvement and how essentially it was survival of the fittest for those that ended up in the Carribbean- and how the whole thing was brutal)

This man tells me he believes in social justice, has fought in the military, always steps in when he sees someone being treated unfairly and has said that he believes we are all equal and should all be treated with respect. So much so that he left the military because he didn't like what was happening to the citizens there and felt it was all unfair.

It's getting me all confused. Is he ignorant, racist or neither?

I'd like to ask him a question or give him a hypothetical scenario to finally know what he truly is.

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Silenceisgolden20 · 27/02/2021 13:45

I'm a huge diversity fan so the fact he complained about their performance, I would be out.

morninglive · 27/02/2021 13:50

Racist. Non racist people don't see the need to justify their choice of friends or mention their skin colour.

He sounds like one of those 'all lives matter' types

MySocalledLoaf · 27/02/2021 14:10

He sounds racist. He also doesn’t sound very bright. You can do a lot better.

Regularsizedrudy · 27/02/2021 14:13

Errr maybe work on your boundaries because this man is spelling out for you VERY CLEARLY who he is and you’re just... going along with it and scratching your head??

LApprentiSorcier · 27/02/2021 14:16

Yes. This is a well-known technique used by racists - gradually feeding their views to someone they want to influence, and counterbalancing them with cant like 'I have some lovely black friends' so (in theory) you don't see them as racist, but all the time they are drip-feeding a racist ideology.

The BNP used to do this all the time to try to win votes - I remember they even had a Sikh fronting a Party Political Broadcast once - it's very, very dangerous. I'd steer well clear of this man.

Okbussitout · 27/02/2021 14:20

Yeah racist.

In the way people think they are not racist cos they aren't a member of ukip.

He also sounds pretty thick and un self-aware.

Foghead · 27/02/2021 14:21

He sounds overly fixated on race. Seems he has issues there.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 27/02/2021 14:36

Racist but doesnt want to be thought of as such.

Wanderlusto · 27/02/2021 14:40

@Foghead

He sounds overly fixated on race. Seems he has issues there.
I bet the black lady he dated dumped his ass and now he has a chip on his shoulder. Probably doesnt like women either.
BiBabbles · 27/02/2021 14:41

My first thought to "People wanted to watch BGT for fun and to see a good dance not get lectured at" is that people go on dates to have fun, not to be lectured at - and you seem to be getting a lot of them.

I'd find the fact he needs to bring it up and justify himself so often really draining. I usually lean more towards 'it's better to label actions racist than question whether a person is', but this kind of seemingly needing to lecture you about how the world is and was isn't nice, even without getting into the mostly ignorant comment about it being "mad" that two people from the same part of the world have different skin tones. Even people of the same ethnicity can have different skin tones, even siblings. It's not mad in the slightest. Even for those of us who age in a way that our skin tone changes, it's can be seen as unusual (some have been very confused at photos of me as a child), but it's not mad - it's genetics, sometimes combined with medical issues.

neonjumper · 27/02/2021 15:12

Yes he is racist and you failed to spot the first red flag so he is continuing to push your boundaries.

You need to tighten up your boundaries ... it shouldn't have to get so many dates down the line for you to now start questioning his stance.

As soon as he uttered that he doesn't date fat or black women that would have been a big no from me. Why? because he has no interest in what a woman has to offer beyond what they offer on the surface level ... pretty grim in my book !

This is the crap I am constantly warning my teenage daughters to reject immediately.

YukoandHiro · 27/02/2021 15:16

You don't have to be white to be racist.

Yes, he's racist.

Unsuremover · 27/02/2021 15:17

I thought the rule was that anyone that mentions they have black friends is a racist? Heard that years and anyone that has uttered that sentence as a stand alone has been racist.

LApprentiSorcier · 27/02/2021 15:19

@Unsuremover

I thought the rule was that anyone that mentions they have black friends is a racist? Heard that years and anyone that has uttered that sentence as a stand alone has been racist.
Yes. What they're saying is 'black people are allowed to exist as long as they're nice people that I like.'
SandSeaBeach · 27/02/2021 15:28

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category12 · 27/02/2021 15:38

Someone who went as far as to complain to OFCOM about Diversity's dance is more than a little racist.

I'd give him a swerve, personally. I'd be concerned that there's something a bit trophy-hunting/tokenism/fetishistic going on with him dating you.

peak2021 · 27/02/2021 17:39

No second or subsequent date I think. Racist or not.

Rosieposy89 · 27/02/2021 17:48

He's a racist. He's trying to sound you out and is trying to legitimise his views. If he's comfortable acting like this with someone new then odds are he has worse opinions. If this is grating on you now then ditch him as it will get worse. Racism is a red flag for me, it's such a repulsive quality in a person

LemonRoses · 27/02/2021 17:52

Mysogynist and racist plus a crashing bore into the bargain.

DeeCeeCherry · 27/02/2021 18:15

LemonRoses
Mysogynist and racist plus a crashing bore into the bargain

Sums him up nicely.

That type is normally very interested in the type of woman they claim NOT to be interested in, that's where the mentionitis comes from.

letsmakethishappen · 27/02/2021 22:16

Errrr what a racist idiot. And why is he so obsessed with black people??idiot

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 27/02/2021 23:27

He's a Nice Guy. Other versions proclaim themselves to be Feminists - and use the argument 'I treat women exactly the same as men' by giving them a slap. His version is 'I'm not a racist, but...' and then says as many racist things as possible. His entire date with that poor woman was probably over within about 5 minutes when all he wanted to talk about was her skin colour, how other black women (or men) behave and what 'my black friend says'.

Bin, bin, bin. Bin the racist.

SandyY2K · 27/02/2021 23:48

I can't get over his justification of slavery as survival of the fitest. It was exploitation and abuse of human beings for money..that one comment would absolutely infuriate me.

He's not just racist..he sounds like an ignorant idiot. I have no issue with people who only date a certain race, but basing it on one black girl just shows his ignorance by generalising.

He knew she was black before the date...so why did he go in the first place.

He sounds rather obsessed with black people on an unhealthy way.

DariaMorgendorffer · 27/02/2021 23:56

Yes, he is racist.

daisyjgrey · 27/02/2021 23:58

Yes. He's racist. But know that already.