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Is this man racist?

68 replies

piddocktrumperiness · 27/02/2021 12:32

So I went on a date with a guy (he's in his 40's, I'm in my mid 30's) went for a walk and he was complimenting me on how I looked that day saying I was just his type. I asked for some clarification and he went on to say what he usually finds attractive and what he doesn't, and mentioned something along the lines of "I don't like fat girls or black girls, I'm not racist I just know what I like and don't in a partner". He went on to say he went on a date with a black woman and they didn't click.

Anyway, I didn't know whether he was talking about preferences so I thought I'd give him the benefit of doubt. On a separate occasion during a conversation we stumble on the topic of BGT. He asked what I thought about Diversity's dance. I hadn't seen it. He said he had nothing against the message, that he agreed with it but didn't like the fact they used the platform to 'lecture' people on a political message- that "People wanted to watch BGT for fun and to see a good dance not get lectured at".
He showed me on his phone and I honestly thought nothing of it- good dance and great message. BGT is shit to me anyway.

He continued to say he had nothing wrong to say about the message- hates that people experience racism and then added "some of the nicest people I know are black" and told me about this one kid he went to school with "lovely guy- good as gold"
He then talked about how an Mp was done for using the term 'nitty gritty' and how he never knew it was linked to slavery.

Fast forward to later in the day. We talk about stand up comedy and who we like and don't like. He mentioned that his friend was going out with a local stand up comedian, that was a generally an unpleasant man, treated her badly, and who was crap at comedy and that he always goes for cheap laughs and talks about his experiences of being black in his material, like there is nothing else he can find material on. I asked what his name was so I can watch and he told me whilst rolling his eyes ( as if to say 'no surprises there')

We watch Tv and this show was on with a couple from the Caribbean and he says "how can she be so much lighter than him when they're both from the Caribbean- mad isn't it? (he then proceeded to talk about the slave trade and Britain's involvement and how essentially it was survival of the fittest for those that ended up in the Carribbean- and how the whole thing was brutal)

This man tells me he believes in social justice, has fought in the military, always steps in when he sees someone being treated unfairly and has said that he believes we are all equal and should all be treated with respect. So much so that he left the military because he didn't like what was happening to the citizens there and felt it was all unfair.

It's getting me all confused. Is he ignorant, racist or neither?

I'd like to ask him a question or give him a hypothetical scenario to finally know what he truly is.

OP posts:
AIMD · 28/02/2021 00:02

He sounds awful on so many levels.
Yes he sounds racist. Also very weird to talk Ona date about what he likes and doesn’t like about women physically. Really??!!

Velvetcupcakes · 28/02/2021 00:08

His father being middle eastern is irrelevant. Some of the most racist people I’ve met are non-white. And I say this as a non-white person myself.
It is okay to have physical preferences - we should all be free to date who we want and are attracted to, but it sounds like he definitely has racist tendencies towards the black community.

Skystarsky · 28/02/2021 00:08

12:38Divorcethediv

Yeah - there’s loads about like him. I call them ‘politically aware racists’. Or twats.
I wouldn’t see him again tbh

Agreed

Justa47 · 28/02/2021 00:09

@piddocktrumperiness

Sorry to say he is racist.
He sounds like he is from 1981

user1481840227 · 28/02/2021 01:40

Didn't one of the members of diversity say that his own family were divided about the performance?

Jumpintothefire · 28/02/2021 01:57

He's a racist ignoramus . Run OP . Couldn't go out with someone like that .

Wannabangbang · 28/02/2021 02:25

He mentions race rather alot, rather odd for just one day to have this many conversations about black people. Yes definitely racist

GingerScallop · 28/02/2021 02:36

It doesn't matter if he is middle East. There many from the ME, Asia who are racist towards persons of African heritage. It doesn't matter that you are not white. What matters is that he is racist trying to sound non-racist. Up to you to keep or chuck

DeeCeeCherry · 28/02/2021 02:55

Aside from him being a fool who's been burnt after being dumped by a Black Woman - why would you even consider dating a man who goes on about other women anyway? Not very romantic is it? Don't you want a man who shows interest in you and doesn't talk about other women on your first few dates?!

If he gets away with talking to you like/about that he'll do it all the time, because that's really what and who he wants to talk about. Where his interest lies. You're his sounding board for his bitterness against Black people, based on his previous situation.

A bit like those pathetic men who profess to hate all women because of one bad relationship.

So boring and neanderthal, I'm surprised you bothered to write a post about him as opposed to getting rid asap

Unicornamy · 28/02/2021 04:22

He’s racist and it’s glaring!! Cant you see? That line about a black person being the nicest person he knows, is a huge giveaway. There’s an obsession with race - especially of the black variation going on there.
On the first date he said you’re his type and he doesn’t like black girls? First date?! Run OP.

shamalidacdak · 28/02/2021 05:23

Yes

beelzeboob · 28/02/2021 05:54

I think the whole BLM thing last year really highlighted differences in skin colour whereas before most people I know didn’t care. I’m white and I found myself looking at people’s skin colour deeply for the first time really - friends, colleagues, patients (I work in healthcare). Me and DP talked about it a lot around the time since it was everywhere on social media and in the news and we discussed our thoughts etc on the whole thing. Slave trade, diversity, protests etc. I guess we discussed it in context of what was happening at the time. It’s weird that your guy is talking about all that now, when it’s not exactly in the news anymore. He does seem to have a unhealthy focus on black people

Justa47 · 28/02/2021 06:25

@user1481840227

Perhaps you might have checked that on the internet. Your comment alone is not ok.

It’s a side point to the original question. Hence what’s the reason you say that.

pisces3 · 28/02/2021 21:30

Yep definitely racist !

SandyY2K · 28/02/2021 23:10

@Justa47

Perhaps you might have checked that on the internet. Your comment alone is not ok.

I agree. The comment is not okay. I question the mindset and motivation behind such a comment.

Changechangychange · 28/02/2021 23:17

Even if by some chance he is simply misunderstood (he isn’t, he’s a racist), do you really want another 30 years of this man monologuing at you?

Throw this one back.

SeraphinaDombegh · 28/02/2021 23:21

Ugh, run away. Sounds ignorant, racist and really not much fun to be around.

Justa47 · 01/03/2021 03:16

@SandyY2K

Exactly

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