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Financial situation. Opinions from housewife /sahm only plz

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Jtblmb · 21/02/2021 14:41

Before I start this I know I'm in a financially abusive relationship and am starting plans to separate so you don't need to tell me to leave etc because I am.
I am interested to hear from other sahm and housewives what is your financial arrangement with your husband, as I think my situation is pretty common and I'd like to hear how you have dealt with it.

I did the age old silly thing of leaving my job to stay at home and raise the children whilst my husband climbed the career ladder and now earns a good salary and has a senior role at work. I have no savings of my own.
Over the 10 years I have done this, I have started to be gradually treated like one of his employees rather than his wife. He expects to me stay at home all day and clean /cook and have tea on the table when he comes in. He doesn't mind me going out somewhere but it can't cost money. So I'm essentially stuck at home. He has never looked after the children himself, never taken them anywhere, never helps around the house, never cooks.

But anyway, he had always given me a small amount of money each month, plus the child benefit I recieve. With this money I have to buy the family food, my petrol, my phone bill. I'm not really left with anything after this. He keeps the rest of the money and pays all of the bills, and things such as holidays for the family, clothes for the children, birthdays, Xmas etc. The children are brought everything no problem, and he has whatever he wants.
But I don't have any money of my own. The only reason he gives me any money at all is because he's always at work so I do the shopping. Otherwise he would give me nothing.
He has always said if I ever need anything just ask him. But when I have he's either said no or given it to me very begrudgingly. By this I mean I was in desperate need of a new winter coat and boots. Mine had holes in and were leaking water. I almost had to beg . I usually buy all my clothes and shoes from charity shops myself (with my little bit left over a month) but charity shops here have been closed for the best part of a year so I haven't been able to get any clothes, I'm also plus size which makes it difficult to get things cheaply.
This morning a prime example, I'm down to zero a week before the end of the month as I had to pay for my cars mot and to be fixed out the money he gives me for food??? He refused to pay for it. So I'm down £100. I said can you pay for the shopping this week as I'm down to zero. He says no, use your overdraft. He has thousands of pounds in the bank, he showed me his balance this morning. Why is he like this???

He wanted me to stop work in the first place because I earned less and it was easier for me to look after the children. He doesn't work set hours. I was happy to do so. But I didn't think it would be like this.
I've spoken to him many times about me going back to work but I haven't for two reasons. 1. He has said my wages would need to go into the joint account with his (that I have no access too) and be used towards the bills the same as his. But none left over for me. I wouldn't be able to spend anything out of it because he would go through every transaction and scrutinise everything I spend. 2. He has said he won't take time off etc to look after the children or pay for any childcare. It would all have to be paid for by me and organised by me. So what is the point?
As I've said we are separating and I will be in a much better position with my own life, but why does this happen? Why does someone feel they can control someone's life this way? I don't deny he probably begrudges paying for everything, but doesn't want me to work either?
Where did I go wrong in all this? For others in similar set ups, how do you deal with the day to day finances etc? Thanks

OP posts:
NeverDropYourMoonCup · 21/02/2021 22:06

Leave, stay at your parents, claim Universal Credit and divorce this arsehole on the grounds of his Financial Abuse/Coercive Control.

This isn't normal. This isn't right.

It happened because your husband made each little chip into your independence sound oh, so reasonable. It's easier this way. Ah, you don't need that. I'll pay for that. Let's not bother with that. Slowly, insidiously, he did this because you didn't expect that his motives were anything other than completely above board.

Jtblmb · 21/02/2021 22:06

My dad is a very interfering person and everything has to be his way, so I keep him at arms length and only tell him the basics of thinks. I've just told him we are separating because we don't love each other any more

OP posts:
category12 · 21/02/2021 22:06

It's shameful (not to you) but on your dh, that you need toiletries from your mum and for her to slip you money to manage.

Jtblmb · 21/02/2021 22:18

I'm just so glad that I'm now getting out of this situation and I hope I have a happy life ahead of me! I have had many happy times with him, and as said, the ten years before we had kids were fine. We went on many lovely holidays together, got on really well. But he's not that man anymore. He knows this but says it's all my fault and I have changed him. I, on the other hand am exactly the same person who I've always been.
I'm so excited to be able to be in charge of my life, my home, my purchases. As other posters have said about their exes still being arse holes after the split, I think this will be the same for me, but he can't control my life in the same way and that's enough for me.

OP posts:
BlueThistles · 21/02/2021 22:21

Great news OP 🌺

bigbird1969 · 21/02/2021 22:23

Jtblmb good luck with your new future. Out of a matter of interest is your STBEXH pushing for 50/50 with the kids or planning to fight in the courts?

Notjustabrunette · 21/02/2021 22:36

I was sahm for a while. Money was put in out joint account, which I have free access to. I have recent lot gone back to work and my money also goes into the joint account. Again we both have access to this. We don’t really have ‘his’ money and ‘my’ money, it just all goes in the pot.
Well done for recognizing that you need to leave. Good luck. Xx

billy1966 · 21/02/2021 22:48

You are a strong woman, you are divorcing him.

I hope you are fighting for every penny you can get.

Please ask your mother to give a statement to your lawyer that she gave you money as he was financially abusing you.

He is an abusive man.

Please tell those that know you the true reason....that he was financially abusive and that you are finally getting away.

He may have a big opinion of himself.

It is very satisfying for men like that to find out that their true behaviour has been exposed.

It really devastates them for it to be circulated that they were abusive, especially if you live in a very 'middle class' environment.

Shame him ruthlessly.

I hope you have all your financials for your lawyer.

Go after EVERYTHING you can.

Good luck.Flowers

Puffalicious · 22/02/2021 00:10

OP, just came on to say that you're stronger than you think if you've told him you're separating and the house is for sale. That's massive. You have no idea how big that is. You are strong, you've got this.

Don't accept 50/50 child arrangement - my lovely friend was pushed into this (kids are teens, so easier for him) so that he doesn't need to pay child maintenance. Stand firm on that.

BlueThistles · 22/02/2021 01:10

@Puffalicious

OP, just came on to say that you're stronger than you think if you've told him you're separating and the house is for sale. That's massive. You have no idea how big that is. You are strong, you've got this.

Don't accept 50/50 child arrangement - my lovely friend was pushed into this (kids are teens, so easier for him) so that he doesn't need to pay child maintenance. Stand firm on that.

Agreed 🌺

Musicaldilemma · 22/02/2021 01:23

It is not normal at all to behave like this these days. It is financial abuse.
What was your DH’s upbringing like? Was his father similar? Some people have real anxiety about money and it verges on a mental health issue.
Make sure you have copies of accounts etc so nothing can be removed/hidden if you get divorced.
I was a SAHM for a couple of years after my third child was born. If anything, my DH gave me full control of all financial matters to sort bills etc. Most accounts we have our joint accounts. We do not check on each other’s spending ever but just discuss larger expenditures in advance. I think trusting each other, financially speaking, is really important.

DramaAlpaca · 22/02/2021 02:50

I'm sorry OP Flowers

You are in a financially abusive situation, but you know that. You are right to be getting out. Take the controlling bastard to the cleaners.

It's not normal for a married couple. DH and I have always treated all income as shared family money, even when I was a SAHM for many years. I have never had to ask for money, or had to justify or been made to feel guilty about my spending. That is how it is supposed to be.

Aprilx · 22/02/2021 03:11

@Jtblmb

"Did you ever push back on his expectations/demands? Or did you just go along with it from the beginning? You could have also laid out your terms for you to be a sahm. It is easy to say this all in hindsight. Some people are just too nice and go along with these arrangements not realising how unfair or problematic they are. Then when it all gets too much it becomes difficult because from the other partner's pov you were OK with it then so what's the problem now?"

I have always pushed back. Just like I did this morning. But his answer is always that If I want to I can become a second card holder on his account. He will give me nothing and then I will buy everything out of his account. So according to him he is being very generous and can't see that anything is wrong.
The truth is, if I did that, he would go over the monthly statement with a fine tooth comb and have me explain what each item was, and why did I buy it etc. Its just not worth the hassle and the arguments. So I've always preferred it this way as I get to keep some control.

I forgot to add in my original post, my mother has known about this situation for years and she gives me money every month so I can buy my essentials. He doesn't know this

I don’t understand why you don’t take a second card on the account. Take it and tell him to sod off if he questions you. I certainly read your first post and thought you are being financially abused, but turning down a second card he has offered also makes me think you are being a martyr.

I am not a SAHM, but I don’t work anymore, I have historically made a large financial contribution to our lives. I spend what I like when I like, DH puts most of his earnings into my account, we pay the bills from my account, the savings are in my name and the credit card he predominantly uses is a second card where I am the primary cardholder. We both consider money is joint money.

picknmix1984 · 22/02/2021 03:53

Your not to blame despite posters saying 'it's a dynamic you unwittingly set up'!

He's just a nasty selfish man. Some people are like this. Nice, kind people don't behave this way.

Crikeycroc · 22/02/2021 04:28

Men are not socialised to be selfless or nurturing. Therefore I think when kids come along some of them become very wound up and resentful about sacrificing their money/time etc. It’s not possible to take that out on the kids so they scapegoat their female partner instead.

You see it all the time with men declaring that they never wanted kids, it was all the ex wife’s doing etc when in reality they were enthusiastic about it all before they realised kids meant paying for childcare or sacrificing one income to allow for a SAHP. They often don’t fancy paid childcare because by then they realise they hate the actual work involved in raising kids and don’t want to be on the hook for any housework or childcare outside of work hours. Their wife becomes a SAHM and they tell themselves that she’s sitting on her arse, eating biscuits and watching daytime TV all day while they’re at WORK. They justify shitty behaviour by telling themselves that they have the raw end of the deal.

Silenceisgolden20 · 22/02/2021 08:03

@Aprilx you can't just tell abusers to sod off, it doesn't work like that if you have been conditioned for years.
I don't think you understand the context of the thread and I doubt your post is helpful to the OP.

Twinkie01 · 22/02/2021 08:04

Stop bloody covering for him and preserving his image.

SarahLox77 · 22/02/2021 08:07

I was a SAHM for 11 years and still work / earn a lot less than DH. We have a joint account, everything goes in there and everything comes out of there.
My contribution might not be so big in in financial terms but I do all the domestic brainwork, child-care and planning, all of the food shopping and cooking, all of the laundry, my fair share of housework etc and he recognises that this is a job in itself. We're a family, a team, we share the work and we share our family money.
Neither of us have particularly expensive tastes but we both buy what we need without having to consult the other. I suppose an eyebrow might be raised if I were purchasing cashmere sweaters at £300 each but a haircut, a pair of jeans from Topshop or a jumper from Next is my choice alone. If someone were to spend too much, everyone would suffer so we both have a sense of responsibility about it.
Every couple / family has a different way of managing finances but yours isn't working for you. I would hate the idea of DH squirrelling thousands away for himself - that's not what teamwork - or marriage - is about.

Hoppinggreen · 22/02/2021 08:20

@Jtblmb

I'm just so glad that I'm now getting out of this situation and I hope I have a happy life ahead of me! I have had many happy times with him, and as said, the ten years before we had kids were fine. We went on many lovely holidays together, got on really well. But he's not that man anymore. He knows this but says it's all my fault and I have changed him. I, on the other hand am exactly the same person who I've always been. I'm so excited to be able to be in charge of my life, my home, my purchases. As other posters have said about their exes still being arse holes after the split, I think this will be the same for me, but he can't control my life in the same way and that's enough for me.
A very good friend of mine left her H last Summer. We were friends with both of them and I thought they were fine, although we knew he was a bit tight with money. I was very surprised she left and thought it might be temporary until she “came to her senses” but I didn’t judge and was (and am) supportive. She was talking about her plans and she said “ this Christmas I am having a real tree” - it had been seen as a waste of money when there was a very old artificial one in the loft. Also when I went to her new house she offered me a soft drink that wasn’t water for the first time in the 10 years I had know her. Obviously she didn’t leave her H over a Xmas tree or Diet Coke but she can make what might seem like very minor choices she couldn’t make before. She’s considering a tumble dryer soon!! That will be you OP
Rillington · 22/02/2021 08:46

I have been a SAHM all my children's lives. We have a joint account that my husband's salary goes into and the child benefit. He never ever questions me on what I spend. I couldn't live being made to have an allowance or questioned on what I was spending.

TheRulesDontApplyToMe · 22/02/2021 09:07

Contempt has crept in since the children have been born.
Divorce him. Then you get half of his savings. As well as all your other assets. And his pension. And he’ll have to pay maintenance. Horrid cunt.
Isn’t it so strange, how the ones that are supposed to love you the most treat you so bad.
Be interesting to see his bank statement. What little secrets are kept in there.

EarthSight · 22/02/2021 09:25

In his own words he was "testing the waters" to see whether I was be outraged and push back or not

Fuckinghell @chilliplant634 . That's awful.

EarthSight · 22/02/2021 09:28

Every penny DH made was considered equally earned by me because if I wasn’t caring for his child, he wouldn’t have been able to earn it

@MixedUpFiles Good attitude. A lot of men don't value stay at home mums and therefore grow resentful when they have to pay for this, that or the other.

WhateverJudy · 22/02/2021 09:40

And still there are women desperate to give up their jobs and independence to be entirely dependent on a man....surely no one is that keen not to go to work that it’s worth risking this kind of shit?!

WhateverJudy · 22/02/2021 09:43

Well done got recognising how not normal it is Op and doing something about it.

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