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Sex I don't want

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mightbealittlebitmad · 02/02/2021 07:47

So my husband and I have been going through a trial separation for less than 2 weeks. I'm all over the place at the minute, lockdown is really getting to me and I'm struggling with the kids and no escape from anything. Sometimes I feel like I miss him and that I'm trying to escape from my life and by leaving him that will do it but then maybe that's a fantasy.

I've told him all of my mixed up feelings, said I'm not trying to mess with his head but this is how I feel.

The reason for the separation is because I've not been happy for months, since lockdown was lifted a bit in the summer and I had my life back I didn't think I wanted him in it. I muddled along for a bit until I told him everything and we tried to work on it but I was still left feeling confused. Intimacy from my side had disappeared and I just wanted to be left alone and not touched at all. It led to so many arguments because he felt rejected and told me I was making his life miserable. When I said I was thinking about leaving he said I was selfish and that he hated me, breaking up our family for no reason.

After talking last night he says he wants to come back, I wasn't sure, it's hardly been any time at all and I'm bound to be feeling all over the place, we've been together for 14 years so not having him around will take some adjusting to. He's not happy that I'm not jumping for joy about him coming back but has said that when he does he is expecting some form of action in the bedroom. Even during this separation he's all over me when I've specifically said I don't want him to be. He says if he doesn't get any form of sexual activity when he comes back it will just lead to arguments and he will be miserable. He says it's a huge part of a marriage and something we should want to do.

Now I don't disagree that it is an important part of a marriage but I'm really not interested at all. I hate the way he knows that I don't want to do it but is putting pressure on me to try it because I might like it.

He thinks because I said I might have missed him it means we have to stay together and that we can't make any life altering decisions during lockdown. I agreed with the drastic decisions and said I was willing to do a long term separation but he would need to move to somewhere he could have the kids because at the minute having to be in the house isn't helping my emotions. We agreed that it probably wasn't helping us having to spend time together so he said I should go out but there is nowhere to go if it's freezing and horrible weather so long term it's just not going to work.

I really don't know where to go from here. I feel like maybe I have been messing with his head so he has every right to be angry with me and feel like I'm not putting out because I'm punishing him and on a power trip withholding the one thing he really wants.

It's certainly not intentional, I've been going along with a lot of stuff to keep him happy which he knows.

At his request I'm seeing a counseller to try figure out what's going on in my head.

I'm flip flopping between agreeing to whatever he wants for an easy life or telling him I'm moving out as soon as I can find somewhere to live (not easy, being on furlough and using UC to top me up means private landlords won't touch me and the demand for a council house is insane) He on the other hand has a secure well paid job and would find it no problem renting short term but I would struggle to pay the mortgage even with UC.

I'm just so confused.

OP posts:
ravenmum · 02/02/2021 12:16

Such a big change is always scary.
If he can take them to the zoo, that's nice ... leaves you with plenty of other nice, cheaper things to do with them. What do you remember from your childhood? I have fond memories of singing along to Abba in the car with my mum. :)

mightbealittlebitmad · 02/02/2021 12:18

@ravenmum

Such a big change is always scary. If he can take them to the zoo, that's nice ... leaves you with plenty of other nice, cheaper things to do with them. What do you remember from your childhood? I have fond memories of singing along to Abba in the car with my mum. :)
I don't remember ever going to the zoo that's for sure. I remember holidays, swimming, being traipsed around the supermarket, seeing friends and family.
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NeilBuchananisBanksy · 02/02/2021 12:20

"He leaves the kids stuff in his car and goes to work so it makes life difficult for me because they don't have a pushchair/car seat/coat/school work."

This is on purpose, it's control.

Don't let him come to your counselling session, he has no right.

Look, it's going to be rough for a good while, but the other side of that is freedom. You would benefit from a chat with WA if you can face it.

Mulhollandmagoo · 02/02/2021 12:23

I'm confused that you say you'll just walk out of the house and he can have it and you don't want anything, yet you say the main reason you want to separate is because you'll struggle financially - that's a hard no! Go see a solicitor, the house will be sold and any equity will be split equally, which might get you nicely set up somewhere new, and then with UC and his maintenance you wont live like a pauper, if you want to separate then you can't be so passive, you'll have to fight for the life you want and the life you want for your children - all this rubbish about him saying he'll make your life a misery etc. its rubbish, he wont he's getting in your head as he can see he is losing his grip.

Do not let him come to your counselling session with you - that's dangerous and you're putting yourself in a really vulnerable position. You know what you want, be concise, honest and start making it happen, your children are young enough now that they'll have little understanding of what's really happening, please don't wait until that's not the case. When he comes to see the kids, you go upstairs or out for a walk, he is there to see his children and not to make you feel rubbish, he needs to concentrate on them!

You can do this, it seems daunting right now, but stay with this thread, some posters on here are survivors of these stories and they're all happier and better off, take all of their advice and support on board, you have us all behind you cheering you on!!! Flowers

Weirdfan · 02/02/2021 13:25

My DSC had a lovely time with us as kids, expensive days out etc, all the things you're worried about OP. Guess what, the things they remember are the everyday, mundane things they did with both us and their DM, we might as well have saved our money Smile

You will have a list of worries/obstacles/reasons-not-to-do-this as long as your arm and it's easy to think surmounting them will be harder than 'just' staying and putting up, except you know deep down there's no 'just' about it, you would be sacrificing your happiness and mental health.

Well done for sending that email, come back here whenever you need bolstering, it's what we're here for Flowers

Weirdfan · 02/02/2021 13:32

I really think it would help you to check out your legal position too, some of your worries may well be put to rest if you knew for sure how you would stand financially and with the house. Rights of Women offer free legal advice, they will be busy so might take some perseverance to get through but worth trying if you're not in a position to pay for a solicitor right now rightsofwomen.org.uk/

Wanderlusto · 02/02/2021 13:35

@mightbealittlebitmad

I'm trying to keep things civil because it's no good for the kids otherwise. He's already said he will make my life difficult and will never forgive me. I just need him to be a grown up about it, accept things and continue to co parent which unfortunately for him means talking to me.
What kind if lunatic threatens to make the mother of his kids life difficult? Or anyones life difficult for that matter?

He has shown you exactly who he is. A nut job. A nasty nut job at that.

Might be wise to read up on narcissistic hoovering (the things his kind say and do to try and manipulate you into taking you back).

You really are not the bad guy here. And there is one.

You're doing the right thing in getting free of him. He is not a good person and he does not want good things for you.

o8O8O8o · 02/02/2021 13:39

Try to ignore this dreadful man's threats, if he was really serious about making your life difficult he wouldn't tip you off about it in advance.
Keep your cards close to your chest,don't give him any information, you never know in the future you might get an opportunity to make his life difficult 👀
Revenge is always best served up cold....

Silenceisgolden20 · 02/02/2021 13:42

@mightbealittlebitmad

I've spoken to my mum and she is appalled that I'm going through this, she says it's not right and it's no wonder I'm confused because he's wearing me down so he gets what he wants.

I've emailed him and said he needs to go ahead with this separation, I don't have anywhere to go at the minute, I've been looking for months and I'm getting nowhere.

The chances are the house is going to be getting sold anyway so neither of us will be living in it permanently.

I feel like I'm living someone else's life, we've always had our ups and downs but it's never been this bad. I feel like I don't know who he is anymore, he's not who I thought he was and it hurts. I'm confused, upset, scared of the unknown, miss him, don't miss him. One minute I feel like I'm the bad guy, the next I feel like he is. He's either moping around and saying hateful things or he's telling me how much he loves me and how he will do anything I want because he doesn't want to lose me.

This is part of the abuse. The changing tactics. Once he sees you're serious about the break up, be careful for him to ramp it up. You will need support when he does this and honestly believe he will Currently, he still sees a chance work on your doubts.
Wanderlusto · 02/02/2021 13:50

Oh they'll tip you off in advance alright...really common for narcissists and similar abusive wankers to tell you exactly what they are or that they will destroy you ect...

But what I dont understand is how on earth they think someone's reaction to that is going to be beneficial to them. As if you're going to go 'oh you'll ruin my life if I leave? Righto...so I better stay with you and ruin my life myself by staying with a psychopath'.

Mind you, I guess a lot of women do unfortunately. Maybe because they think the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. But then he gets way worse anyway because you dared to even consider leaving in the first place.

Defo believe people when they tell you who they are. Dont try and excuse it or ignore it because it's a warning that might save your life. If someone tells you they will ruin your life, be damn sure they plan too and run for the bloody hills.

Weirdfan · 02/02/2021 15:23

I agree with Wanderlusto and that's why you need legal advice and preferably some support from WA or similar. Our legal processes aren't perfect but they are designed to protect you and prevent him 'ruining your life', at least in financial/legal terms. Knowledge is very definitely power in your situation OP and it's time to start arming yourself.

Polaris92 · 02/02/2021 15:45

Why not try marriage counselling? Sounds like you're both in a rut basically. He isnt doing the things that foster intimacy so you dnt want to have sex with him, and you dont want to have sex with him so he doesnt want to do the things that make you feel intimate. It's horrible catch 22 that leads to resentment and loos of intimacy but I think it can be resolved. Get some professional help, read about love languages. Get your partner on board with rebuilding attraction etc.

Wanderlusto · 02/02/2021 15:53

@polaris92
... marriage councilling?! Did you read the bit where he threatened to ruin her life if she left!?

He is controlling. NEVER advise someone go to joint counciling with someone like this.

Wanderlusto · 02/02/2021 16:02

And whatever prize, first class tit first wrote about 'love languages' needs a kick firmly up the kiester. They have so much to answer for as women being abused all over the world are using that drivel to excuse abuse and general shittyness. Maybe it has its place. But certainly not here!

Silenceisgolden20 · 02/02/2021 16:15

I despair at what women excuse so not to call it abuse.
Which love language is it where you make your partner have sex they don't want??
Why do people write such tosh after reading what the OP has experienced. It's damaging

Silenceisgolden20 · 02/02/2021 16:16

@Polaris92

Why not try marriage counselling? Sounds like you're both in a rut basically. He isnt doing the things that foster intimacy so you dnt want to have sex with him, and you dont want to have sex with him so he doesnt want to do the things that make you feel intimate. It's horrible catch 22 that leads to resentment and loos of intimacy but I think it can be resolved. Get some professional help, read about love languages. Get your partner on board with rebuilding attraction etc.
She doesn't want to have sex with him because he treats her like shit. That's a pretty good enough reason
Hellothere19999 · 02/02/2021 16:38

Hmmm, having read your previous thread OP I would say you need to go to counselling alone. Couples can have different sex drives and interests and having no respect for your partner in this aspect of your relationship is very concerning, especially at this point in time where woman are coming forward now to address abuse they have received in the past from previous partners (Armie Hammer, Marilyn Manson etc) . It’s not the 50’s anymore. You don’t have to suck his dick to keep a “happy home” or whatever. Set yourself free. Honestly, he sounds abusive but I would have to know more to fully justify saying that, only you know really.

category12 · 02/02/2021 16:56

On another thread, the guy is tracking her whereabouts as well. There's not really any doubt this is a coercive control abusive situation.

MaLarkinn · 02/02/2021 17:41

I'd let him go so he can have the relationship he wants.

PickAChew · 02/02/2021 18:24

This. Guy shouldn't be in a relationship.

mightbealittlebitmad · 02/02/2021 18:33

In fairness that wasn't the reason it started, I just realised as time went on I was less interested in him. It's only in the last couple of months that everything seems to have gone to pot.

I've told him that having sex when I've made it clear I'm doing it because it saves the sulking isn't right and neither is when I'm blind drunk. He says I was perfectly conscious and consenting, if he approached me in a bar he wouldn't have batted an eyelid and I have no reason to disbelieve him but it is a concern.

During lockdown 1 I felt incredibly trapped and I can't help but wonder if he was the reason. It ever occurred to me at the time but when I stopped wanting to be around him, preferring to be at work etc it's made me wonder...

OP posts:
Silenceisgolden20 · 02/02/2021 19:31

@MaLarkinn

I'd let him go so he can have the relationship he wants.
You mean go onto abuse someone else. She does want him to go. He's refusing
Silenceisgolden20 · 02/02/2021 19:33

I think you're caring way too much what he thinks and what he says.
This is taking up your mental energy.
Switch your mindset. He does not matter.
YOU matter.

PlinkPlink · 02/02/2021 19:55

He says I was perfectly conscious and consenting, if he approached me in a bar he wouldn't have batted an eyelid

Consent cannot be given when you are drunk. His attitude to this is fucking scary.

PlinkPlink · 02/02/2021 19:57

Try again

He says I was perfectly conscious and consenting, if he approached me in a bar he wouldn't have batted an eyelid

You can't give consent when you're drunk. His attitude towards this is fucking scary.