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He doesn't see the problem

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Angryandhurt · 29/01/2021 09:27

I have a situation that's been going on for a few years and yesterday it came to a head. My husband has a female friend and I am very unhappy with it due to certain behaviours from him around this friendship. I must stress that normally I am not an insecure or jealous person and never have been before but something in my gut tells me that this is something different. I do not believe he is cheating on me but after speaking with his business partner when I first felt uneasy about it, found out that they are quite flirty with each other. She works for the business next door so pops into his business. It all started as he was going to change his day off to take our son out with her and her son and as we both used to have the same day off, this would've meant not having a family day together. There were a couple of other instances where he went out of his way to do something for her. I told him I was uncomfortable with him doing that as if I ask him to do something it's normally met with a grumble. They would message each other maybe asking how each other was, he let her park at his business as where she works has no staff parking (space that is needed for his own customers). I told him all of this made me very uneasy and asked him to stop. Thought he had but then found he was deleting messages as he didn't want the "3rd degree", so we argued about it, thought he had listened and then found he had just changed her name in his phone. I'd asked him to take her off social media and then a few months later found he's added her back on, said she had requested him which was a lie - he had actively sought her out to add her. His excuse was as it was all months ago (at that time) so he thought it was ok. I told him he had to choose between his friendship with her and me. He left for the weekend but said it was because "I had changed since the birth of our son" which is a cop out to me. We worked things out and he came back home but the issue of them messaging has come up a few times since and he's never really stopped but the latest was a couple of days ago and I know that he normally deletes the messages between them. He doesn't feel that he has done anything wrong but I feel so disrespected by it. I know he hasn't cheated on me with her but why can he not see why I have a problem with it? I have no problem with any other female friends he has, just this one in particular due to his behaviour towards her. If he's deleting messages, surely he must know it's not on? He says he does it to stop me giving him grief over it but surely the answer is to simply not do it to begin with?

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Onthedunes · 30/01/2021 16:10

Excellent.

Now go and buy an old banger of a car and dump it in her car parking spot, tell him its gonna be a doer uppa. Grin

Bythemillpond · 30/01/2021 16:19

Trust is a huge part of a relationship. If you are going to be looking and checking and worrying over whether he has or hasn’t been in contact with her then the trust has gone

How long will you be checking up on him for. A year, 10 years, for the rest of your life.

Bluntness100 · 30/01/2021 21:06

The message sending is not one sided but he is the one who should be respectful of what I've asked. Platonic or not the friendship causes me concern and he should respect that. No I won't follow him to work or check his phone constantly, it's not something I do now. He has minor behaviour shifts with his phone when he's messaging her and something feels "off" which is when I check

I don’t disagree with you. And I’m fairly sure you’ve no idea how she messages his business partner or how his business partner messages her and I’d assume it’s very differently

I was simply saying calling her a cunt is a bit much when you’ve no Clue at all about her, what she knows or what she is thinking. None at all.

However. If there is nothing here. And this is just he is refusing to do as you’re trying to force him because you’re jealous and think he fancies her, then he should just fucking tell you to wind your neck in not continue and try to hide it. That’s very wrong and makes it worse. If this is jealousy and insecurity he needs to stand up to you.

If this is he does fancy her and would cheat with her if she said yes, then threatening him so he stops messaging you is going to do you no fucking good at all. He will simply continue and hide it. And if it is he does fancy her, and would go there, then the only reason he hasn’t is because she is saying no. And if that’s the case, she really doesn’t deserve you calling her a cunt.

MrsWindass · 30/01/2021 21:35

I think the the use of the cunt word is irrelevant @Angryandhurt . You are willing to give this a go and it sounds as if this time you have made it clear . I have a good friend who was in this situation and her H DID learn his lesson and has been faithful ever since but it has not been easy . The only thing I would say is that he is not taking any responsibility for this . He's not even saying " I can see how this might appear bad" . He is denying everything . A respectful partner would go out of his way not to cause you the mother of his children undue stress and worry . Best of luck .

Angryandhurt · 30/01/2021 21:41

@Bluntness100 I've already said IF he told her then she is one and if he didn't then no, I can't call her that. Not sure why you're so focused on that to be honest? I'm not going to defend why I asked him to not continue a friendship when I've given examples as to why. It's not just messages. It's his behaviour in general when it comes to her. I will not be made to feel like I am in the wrong over this - I've spent the past 6 fucking years being made to feel I was over reacting. Let's not forget it's HIS actions not mine that have caused me to be insecure about it. I have never, ever in my life been an insecure person before this. He has caused this and if he doesn't like it then that's tough shit, he knows where the door is. Making him stop contact may not stop him but if he doesn't, I will find out and he'll have to deal with the consequence of no longer being married to me.

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Angryandhurt · 30/01/2021 21:45

@MrsWindass

I think the the use of the cunt word is irrelevant *@Angryandhurt* . You are willing to give this a go and it sounds as if this time you have made it clear . I have a good friend who was in this situation and her H DID learn his lesson and has been faithful ever since but it has not been easy . The only thing I would say is that he is not taking any responsibility for this . He's not even saying " I can see how this might appear bad" . He is denying everything . A respectful partner would go out of his way not to cause you the mother of his children undue stress and worry . Best of luck .
Thank you. I hope he has learned and that I absolutely mean what I say. I think before because I've still been doubting myself, so maybe came across a bit wishy washy. Not this time, clarity is on my side
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Bluntness100 · 30/01/2021 22:04

Op I wasn’t saying you were in the wrong, I even said I don’t disagree with you, I was simply pointing out this is about him, not her, and if he does fancy her and would cheat then the issue isn’t resolved by making him stop contact, becayse he will just hide it from you. That’s not how you keep your husband faithful.

And if he doesn’t fancy her and it’s just your insecurity and jealousy then he needs to not hide his behaviour but have the discussion with uou.

PearsandPartridge · 30/01/2021 22:16

OP is angry and hurt (literally and rightfully!) so if she wants to call the OW a c*nt, she can. I know I would...entertaining a married man (physically or otherwise) is just wrong...and I still find it really odd that she has never tried to get to know OP, despite having such a "strong friendship" with her husband". Or has she, OP? I mean the kids have had play dates, right?? So that just suggests to me that she is not bloody innocent in all this. Whatever "THIS" may be.

OP you do you, you have your reasons for sticking with it for now, you only have to justify it to yourself. As I said before, you know your own situation, I just hope to God that you won't get more hurt! Wine xx

Angryandhurt · 30/01/2021 22:21

He says he doesn't fancy her but I just don't believe him, especially when I know they're flirty with each other. I'm not sure if he would physically cheat but I do think if he were single he'd be trying, if you know what I mean? It's the only reason I can think for why he would go above and beyond to help her when I know he wouldn't for someone else. I know it may not necessarily stop him from contacting her but if he does then it confirms to me just how little I mean to him, however illogical it may seem.

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crosshatching · 30/01/2021 22:21

I can't for the life of me imagine being a friend of a married man without trying to ensure that friendship also extended to his wife. @Angryandhurt I'm glad you've had it out with your DH and you're clear in your mind. Take care of yourself I hope everything works out for you.

Onthedunes · 30/01/2021 23:31

@Bluntness100

Bluntness as much as I always enjoy your opposing view I think op has established that this friendship makes her uncomfortable, and whilst you may be in the enviable possition of not questioning your h's devotion some ladies have that horrible question thrust upon them.

Women who have previously been been unflinchingly sure before, that their husband put them above all others are thrown into doubt.
Sometimes its not just about insecurity and jealousy it can be about oppotunity and realising your husband is not infallible.
Op is trying to establish that and the previous 6 years have found her questioning her own mind and reasoning on the matter.

If she does find any other evidence she needs confidence going forwards, marriages can't just been thrown away at the drop of a hat.
Calling someone insecure and jealous can be quite insulting.

billy1966 · 31/01/2021 02:09

OP,

You have had years of his disrespect and being gaslit from your posts.

I wish you would work on your sèlf respect and boundaries.

He is an absolute waster and not worth your time or energy.

He has shown you who is is for years.

Believe him.

You deserve better.
Flowers

Angryandhurt · 06/03/2021 20:24

Not the update I was hoping to post but as many of you called it, he didn't stop messaging her. My spidey senses tingled yesterday so I asked him. He denied so I said if he let me look at his itemised billing on his phone, if there were no messages then I would work on my insecurities and never mention it again. So then he went from no messages to "oh she messaged me about xyz on the other day". Told him if he was willing to give me that snippet then he was hiding more from me (something someone said on this thread made me realise that so thank you!). He stalled all day but when he got home from work I told him I wasn't letting it drop, so he gave me access. Not only did he not stop messaging her, there are far, far more messages then I imagined. Still insists there's nothing going on and they're just friends and she's the only one he can talk to, as he can't his other (male) friends. Told him if he put as much time and effort into maintaining other friendships (and our marriage) as he puts into his "friendship" with her then maybe he would have other people, including his wife, to speak to. So now that's it, he's gone and I'm utterly heartbroken, facing life as a single parent, wondering what happened to the decent man I married. The one who would do anything for me and would never in a million years treat me like this. A man who has turned into a lying, deceitful, selfish wankstain.

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tropicalwaterdiver · 06/03/2021 22:09

Sorry to hear your update. He was and is having an affair.
Get a legal advice to understand where you stand.

mcmooberry · 06/03/2021 22:23

Oh no I am sorry to hear this. But men doing this turn you into a jealous, insecure, untrusting person, not who you want to be. You deserve better XX

Angryandhurt · 06/03/2021 22:23

@tropicalwaterdiver

Sorry to hear your update. He was and is having an affair. Get a legal advice to understand where you stand.
The laughable thing is that he keeps denying anything is going on and he hasn't done anything with her. I told him I didn't give a shiney shit whether he'd physically slept with her or not, he's been cheating on me. Fortunately I am not financially dependant on him, no joint accounts and no owned property. We have a joint tennancy so I just need to look into that. I just feel numb after all of the promises, that it was our family he wanted and he loved me. Clearly not enough to stop him making an utter fool out of me though eh?
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Angryandhurt · 06/03/2021 22:26

@mcmooberry

Oh no I am sorry to hear this. But men doing this turn you into a jealous, insecure, untrusting person, not who you want to be. You deserve better XX
Thank you. I know I'll get through it, I just feel sick. We've been together for so long and he always used to be one of the "decent" ones.
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yetmorecrap · 06/03/2021 22:44

Thing is I don’t have an issue with blokes having female friends— I do have an issue when it all becomes secretive and never mentioned and lots of it. Strange thing is these discrete friendships usually involve attractive available women

Angryandhurt · 06/03/2021 22:53

@yetmorecrap

Thing is I don’t have an issue with blokes having female friends— I do have an issue when it all becomes secretive and never mentioned and lots of it. Strange thing is these discrete friendships usually involve attractive available women
Exactly how I feel. He has other female friends that I didn't bat an eyelid at. I've also noticed that coincidence too. I thought maybe they were in contact a couple of times a week - turns out after looking at the itemised billing last night, it's multiple messages daily and all deleted. Yet still insists it's innocent.
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SoulofanAggron · 06/03/2021 23:10

Sorry to hear this @Angryandhurt .

He changed her name in his phone at one point- wow, that's bad enough. But now he's lied again and still been messaging her. Sad

You're doing the right thing separating from him. x

Angryandhurt · 06/03/2021 23:35

@SoulofanAggron

Sorry to hear this *@Angryandhurt* .

He changed her name in his phone at one point- wow, that's bad enough. But now he's lied again and still been messaging her. Sad

You're doing the right thing separating from him. x

Looking at the itemised bill, it seems he never stopped, so has been lying to me all along Sad
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Justtheonemorethen24 · 07/03/2021 00:02

How are you seeing the messages? Even in an itemized bill iMessages don’t show? Is it android and not iPhone? Sorry for everything that’s happening right now.

Angryandhurt · 07/03/2021 00:38

@Justtheonemorethen24

How are you seeing the messages? Even in an itemized bill iMessages don’t show? Is it android and not iPhone? Sorry for everything that’s happening right now.
It's android but I can see all calls and texts on the network app under his number log in because it's a business tariff.
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wanderedlonelyasacloud · 07/03/2021 01:03

Oh OP I'm so sorry but so glad you've had the strength to kick him out.

How despicable for him to have carried this on after your ultimatum after him insisting he'd stop. At least you know now and can start to move on.

Don't waver on this.

I'll bet that he'll lean on this other woman and he'll keep his distance from you for a while, then she'll make it clear shes not interested in anything more than friendship with him so he'll come crawling back to you, grovelling. DON'T LET HIM.

He thinks the grass is greener on the other side and he'll realise soon that it isn't but you must be strong and make a better life for yourself. You deserve so much better.

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