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I was one of these children. IMMENSE TRIGGER WARNING

96 replies

Asthesayinggoes · 28/01/2021 20:23

Please do not watch this if you've experienced abuse and can't watch it or feel triggered about it or if you can't stand watching violence against children.

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This video shows a father abusing his 7 and 9 year old sons. In public.

I can tell you that I have experienced similar, daily. The worrying thing is that the man still lives with his children and family.

I can't tell you the long-lasting effects of ongoing daily abuse like this. Life threatening abuse, though you survive the beatings. When you grow up, those memories haunt you. You probably rely on drink or drugs.

To women who abuse, or who have husbands (or grandmothers as in the case of one thread today). Please. Please don't. Please stop it!

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FloconDeNeige · 28/01/2021 20:58

I read it as the previous Saturday. It’s not very clear. But they’re on the radar of the authorities and there’s video evidence of the father being publicly abusive if needed for court. Hope the poor kids don’t have to endure it much longer.

Asthesayinggoes · 28/01/2021 20:59

If you've never experienced it, it's really hard to imagine what it's actually like. Nobody believes you which is the saddest part. You can try so hard to battle through life but sometimes you can't. It destroys your character, your confidence, your opinions, your strength, your freedom, your personality, your soul, your heart.
And it still fucking happens.

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Jesskir89 · 28/01/2021 21:01

What an absolute sick bullying bastard. Those poor kids are sat there doing nothing!!! Not that they would deserve this if they were naughty but they're literally sat there being quiet and he's whispering and bullying them! I could not have sat and watched this and said nothing and I can't believe the police haven't!!! Its knocked me sick. No-one should have to go through this x

Asthesayinggoes · 28/01/2021 21:03

I was born a feisty though placid child. My mother literally destroyed me. All day long. That's just a snapshot of a day. It goes on all day long. That would just be a tip of the iceberg. Sometimes you're dragged from bed for a beating. You can't think, you go into a survival mode. My brother used to tell tales on me so that I would get the beatings rather than him. It's a strange upbringing and I am now a fully fledged alcoholic..

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tigerlily20 · 28/01/2021 21:04

I can't even imagine what he must be saying to them, they look so terrified.

Asthesayinggoes · 28/01/2021 21:10

It's the innocence of them that gets me. They're sitting there doing nothing (as would have been the case with my mother). They're well-behaved little children but he just has to assault them? Why? I don't fucking get it. I don't fucking get it. But don't delude yourself that this doesn't happen all around the world.

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sadpapercourtesan · 28/01/2021 21:13

I see what you mean OP, that video is especially triggering for me too and brings back some horrible memories. For me it's the way the children are frozen, especially the littler one, trying to be invisible, trying not to attract his attention - and the way the guy attacks him, then turns away and seems to have stopped, then suddenly homes in on him again, and again, for no obvious reason. THAT is what my mother's rages were like. You never knew which of you she was going to go for, or how long it was going to go on. You didn't have to have done anything wrong. My insides are shaking Sad

Asthesayinggoes · 28/01/2021 21:18

It's really hard for me to watch, because I was the younger child - female, with hair, which my mother always went for. You didn't have to do anything wrong, or anything at all, you were just attacked all day long. It was like a torture camp, but I was beaten so much that I was terrified of talking. I was put into frilly dresses and nobody saw the bruises. They were all on my torso I suppose. And upper thighs. What destroyed me though was that I wasn't allowed to think or express a thought or opinion. Christ, this isn't helping me.

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Changelingss · 28/01/2021 21:27

What a fucking cunt. Those poor babies, 7 and 9, I just want to scoop them up and give them a cuddle. The police sound useless, do USA have a Social Services type authority? Hope they never have to see him again. If they do they’ll no doubt batter him when they’re big enough.

ktp100 · 28/01/2021 21:29

I haven't watched it. I can't.

I once saw a man headbutt a child who would have been around 4 years old in Coventry centre.

Every bit of me wanted to run and grab him and keep him safe but his Dad was so volatile and I had my elderly grandmother with me, who couldn't run or protect herself if he came for her, as he was for all strangers who tried to intervene.

That was over 15 years ago and I still think about it often.

I'm so sorry you went through this, OP.

Ideasplease322 · 28/01/2021 21:31

Heartbreaking. I just want to take those poor kids away from that monster.

How could people walk passed and not help.

RickOShay · 28/01/2021 21:34

@Asthesayinggoes
That’s so heartbreaking. My stomach is flipping. I’m so sorry you suffered at the hands of your parents. You didn’t deserve any of it. You are worthy of love and kindness. Have you ever talked to anybody about your feelings?
Poor children.

LimitIsUp · 28/01/2021 21:36

I am so sorry for what you went through, and the permanent scars it has left.

Sad also that these two boys have such an inadequate and vicious parent - it's incomprehensible

Asthesayinggoes · 28/01/2021 21:37

Have you ever talked to anybody about your feelings?

No, but I have been locked up in psychiatric institutions for feeling suicidal.

They can't refer me for therapy as I drink alcohol.

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FloconDeNeige · 28/01/2021 21:37

It’s impossible to judge the passers-by. Most people would be wary to intervene directly, out of fear for their own safety. This is the USA, he could have a gun for all anyone knows. They could have called for help from a distance.

As I said; I wouldn’t intervene directly again after getting smacked in the face for it.

tigerlily20 · 28/01/2021 21:39

I don't know if it's a combination of the bystander effect and the fact that gun-use is so widespread in America... but it just seems like such a missed opportunity...child-abusing, bullying, violent prick + moving trains/electric tracks. Just heartbroken for anyone who has a childhood like this, how would you recover? 💔

Onthedunes · 28/01/2021 21:44

Hopefully these children will get some justice. Can he not be procecuted and imprisoned as he would if he assaulted another adult?

To be put in prison with that video circulating would be justice. I also hope if those children survive to be adults they will revisit him when he is old and kick the shit out of him.

I'm affraid I'm not forgiving of abuse to anybody, but children? God no

The bastard needs taking down.
Op I'm so very sorry this happened to you, was your mother ever held to account for her abuse?

AsMuchUseAsAMarzipanDildo · 28/01/2021 21:48

Exactly how my mother used to hit me. She called it “a clip round the earhole”. It was a punch. I’m convinced it’s why I also had recurrent ear infections. One of my elder sisters soon copied and did the same manoeuvre to me - often while shouting “Spit it out!” because I’d by then developed a stammer.

It’s painfully triggering to see this, but weirdly reassuring to see how horrifying it is to other people. Most of my family still think it’s okay and tell me I’m “over-sensitive” and “have mental problems” for going NC with my mother and sister. Thank you for affirming it’s not me, it’s them.

Asthesayinggoes · 28/01/2021 21:51

@tigerlily20

I don't know if it's a combination of the bystander effect and the fact that gun-use is so widespread in America... but it just seems like such a missed opportunity...child-abusing, bullying, violent prick + moving trains/electric tracks. Just heartbroken for anyone who has a childhood like this, how would you recover? 💔
You don't recover.
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RickOShay · 28/01/2021 21:53

Oh my god. It’s not you. It’s them.
People who abuse children are the lowest of the low.
I’m so sorry for anyone who went through this.
@Asthesayinggoes do you have support? Family, friends or groups.
You sound so sad. You deserve to be happy.

Asthesayinggoes · 28/01/2021 21:54

@AsMuchUseAsAMarzipanDildo

Exactly how my mother used to hit me. She called it “a clip round the earhole”. It was a punch. I’m convinced it’s why I also had recurrent ear infections. One of my elder sisters soon copied and did the same manoeuvre to me - often while shouting “Spit it out!” because I’d by then developed a stammer.

It’s painfully triggering to see this, but weirdly reassuring to see how horrifying it is to other people. Most of my family still think it’s okay and tell me I’m “over-sensitive” and “have mental problems” for going NC with my mother and sister. Thank you for affirming it’s not me, it’s them.

I haven't recovered either.
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AsMuchUseAsAMarzipanDildo · 28/01/2021 21:55

OP, I’m so sorry to hear about your alcohol dependency. I used to work in an alcohol misuse service and you are by no means alone. Sadly the majority of those abusing alcohol had horrifically abusive childhoods. When you feel able to, I hope that you can be supported to access alcohol counselling and rebuild your life Flowers

eeliie · 28/01/2021 21:57

@Bagelsandbrie that is so sad about Victoria Spry. What happened to those children was beyond horrific.

@Asthesayinggoes I am so sorry what you went through. I suffered mild abuse ( mental not physical ) but it was nothing to this extent.

I cannot bring myself to click on the link Thanks

LimitIsUp · 28/01/2021 21:58

I don't know what to say, I just wish you could both find peace Sad

squishedblueberry · 28/01/2021 22:07

Those poor boys. I’m in tears. The older boy... rocking, wiping his tears, his body language trying to lean away from the man. His little hand movement holding onto the rail for support... I just want to rescue them. How can they be back with him now? Is there anything that can be done?! I feel like I can’t just see this video and do nothing..

Imagine what that absolute evil piece of shit does behind closed doors. I am really really upset by this. How can he have not been charged?!

I don’t want this video to be forgotten after a day or two, how can we help these children?!

I can’t stop thinking about them. The way they are sitting, bracing themselves for it before it’s even started. I feel
Sick.

I’m so sorry you had to suffer the same OP.

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