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How to communicate with an angry, resentful spouse

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medlenno · 26/01/2021 13:53

My husband of many years and father to our two children is increasingly angry and resentful of me and won't communicate over it and won't allow me to do things to help either. He fights fire with nuclear weapons, his body language is bristling and unfriendly and he's started to make odd comments about me ("Jesus look at your glutes" "your hair looks better now it's longer" that feel like compliments but not at the same time.

We both work part time, he in an office over night 2 nights, me very shifts 4 days a week from home.

Just today he really blasted me but sadly my work microphone was on so they heard:

(I offered to do a shop - he likes to make a big thing of me never shopping despite the fact that I pick up food (veg from market, toilettries, housestuff etc from other places and other household stuff probably once a day pre pandemic) as well as doing shops probably half the number of times he does)

He had tense body language and tension in his voice saying that we needed:
washing stuff
tinned tomatoes
dishwasher stuff
meat,
dried goods,
loo roll --- going on previous flare ups he rattles off this list because "I won't pick these things up properly, the dates will be not long enough you name it, it'll be wrong

I am working (hi intensity stuff, on permanent TEAMS call, 3 computer screens, have to ask permission to leave desk for loo etc) and was curt and felt attacked a little by the list and said: I get the message

He kicked off with: Well you can go your F*CKING SELF shouted really angrily which sadly my colleagues heard since I wasn't on mute. No one said anything but I felt dreadful, muted and had a little cry to gather myself.

He brought me up the lunch I had made y'day and banged it down. Cue me having another cry (muted)

He then said he was going to the supermarket (leaving me with 2 children in the house while still on shift) and I offered to go, saying in as conciliatory way as possible that I really don't mind, you do it often, if it helps I am happy to go...

He replied: "You need to run," (to which I replied it doesn't matter I can later) "you need to interact with your children" (that one hover in the background alot) take xx out for her exercise

I offered again, was refused, said it was unfair if I offer to do thing thing but am not allowed.

"All I want if for you to be civil to me" "You need to sort your anger out, the way you speak to people, others have commented....."

It's the same with laundry, I don;'t do it, if I do I do it badly, Laundry baskets are slammed down next to me, with this heavy sighing etc. But if I offer to do I am challenged. It's like he wants to be this martyr ad I can't take that from him (very like his mother)

By the way if you knew me you clearly see I go mental over tidying - I actually always have loved cooking and cleaning and sewing and DIY and it soothed my childhood when things were bad, so I actively love it. I do woodworking and painting and DIY etc, I earn the same, engineered my work so I'd hardly miss being there for the children.

He is suffering clearly, feels rudderless and has done nothing to talk about loss of his father a few years back and come to terms with his bad relationship with his mother. He won't talk to me though. If I am a good girl everything is fine.

He's has always been generally dismissive and avoidant but he never used to be so unkind or been told I'm 'mad' 'irritable' or whatever defensive slingshot he chooses. If I were to cry he'd roll his eyes now.
If anything is lost it is immediately my fault.

I met him after a really bad time after I'd done a year abroad and was raped. He was there for me, kind and helpful. We were big partiers back then - maybe because I was vulnerable and somewhat pissed a lot I didn't notice the powerplay.

I don't drink now (he does heavily 50 60 units although would deny it) and am very into running and looking after myself - I think that has turned the dynamic and because I am sober I notice stuff more, plus I am older and stand up for myself.

I always make the conciliatory gestures, always say sorry (the word has never passed his in a non sarcastic way)

I am not blameless, I have explained why I have been upset to my children - this isn't good, my mum did it with me, ity' not their job to regulate me, but in lieu of any other genuine reason tpo explain why I am crying I've been honest. I've stressed that it is okay - that it's about communication and we can always learn from these mistakes. But still I hate that I have gone down this route,

I'm sad - it's like watching someone slip through your fingers, you love them but cannot speak to them. I hope he still loves me, right now he's too angry to show it,

Anyway, I;ve been told almost daily I talk too much.;)

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medlenno · 26/01/2021 13:56

I;ve really ummed and ahhed about posting about this and have posted under a past name I can't get a login to. At the same time it feels disloyal, but I have no one else to bounce it off

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MadameButterface · 26/01/2021 13:58

he is humiliating you in front of your work colleagues and in earshot of your dc. he will not change. the problem is not your communication, it is his anger and aggression. you cannot fix him with kindness or magic words. if his troubles are down to alcoholism and bereavement, he is the only person who can seek help, and he will not seek help while you are enabling him jumping around to his tune. tell him to go, now, today, fuck off, goodbye, the end.

Finfintytint · 26/01/2021 13:58

I think you should start planning to leave.
That’s no way to live.

Chottie · 26/01/2021 13:59

You can't live your life walking on eggshells......

Please think of your DC, what sort of life is this? Your H is not a kind, caring man, he is bully.

I'm really hoping more MN will come along with concrete advice for you.

AryaStarkWolf · 26/01/2021 14:00

It sounds like he doesn't even like you anymore, never mind love you. If you were to leave him would you have somewhere to go/be able to afford it? It sounds like a terrible environment to be in not only for you but for your children too

medlenno · 26/01/2021 14:07

thank you - its scary - I'm taking it on. I just feel that I am always to blame, only recently I've realised maybe I am not all bad.

He;s never scared me, but once recently I had locked the bathroom door and he was angry about laundry and wanted me to put my running clothes in, when I said I'd locked the door, he banged really angrily and I was scared. My dad was violent and angry - took me right back there. That thread the other day about the locked bathroom door was really illuminating.

It;s not just me by the way - he mother is a bitch and bad driver are f*cking dicks etc (said with the children in the car by the way)

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medlenno · 26/01/2021 14:09

i must just point out he is only like this if he feels criticised
Because I am not a total doormat this rears its head more

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medlenno · 26/01/2021 14:10

i don;t think he meant to shout in front of work colleagues but I wasn;t muted. His boundaries are totally off though

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Silenceisgolden20 · 26/01/2021 14:10

He's abusive. This is abuse.
Please get some help.

MadameButterface · 26/01/2021 14:11

op this is an oldie but a goody, you need to read Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft. you will recognises your husband as if LB was describing him specifically. you are not to blame and you cannot go on like this.

medlenno · 26/01/2021 14:13

the idea in his head about who is is (kind man, always helping, always a great father, etc) and the reality are widening every day. The pandemic has taken away his love of planning holidays but allowed him to do his 'I am the doer of everything' act oh, and brew beer ...

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MadameButterface · 26/01/2021 14:13

it doesn't matter if he feels criticised, depressed, angry, what the fuck ever - we all feel a vast range of emotions every day, but we don't all just start effing and jeffing and banging around.

Silenceisgolden20 · 26/01/2021 14:15

Yes he did mean to shout.
Yes he does do this on purpose.
Not grief, not drink, not because of his childhood blah blah woe is me but becasue he CHOOSES to.
Read back your threads to yourself and what would you tell a friend if they had shared that with you?

StopGo · 26/01/2021 14:15

He's a classic abuser and it's affecting both you and the DC.

medlenno · 26/01/2021 14:16

thank you - I know the book but haven't read it. Please wish me strength. No one would have a clue he was anything but a great bloke, my mum says he is a good man (well most were compared with my angry father) but cannot show his emotion and has noticed he is 'sharp' with me

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medlenno · 26/01/2021 14:16

what do I say to him?

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Silenceisgolden20 · 26/01/2021 14:17

If he behaved like that at work he'd been sacked by now.
He can control it. He chooses not to around you as you are his emotional punch bag. And the children.

Silenceisgolden20 · 26/01/2021 14:19

You don't have to say anything. You can start to build your strength by reaching out for support and reading up on how to change your life. For you and for your children. Not for him. For you.

Silenceisgolden20 · 26/01/2021 14:21

No one would have a clue because he has this down to a t. It's an act so when you tell people they think you've made it up or are over reacting because he's 'such a nice guy '
This is classic and you're not alone experiencing this. Talk to someone.

MadameButterface · 26/01/2021 14:23

'No one would have a clue he was anything but a great bloke,"

victims always think this. is it true? really? do you think the work colleagues who heard him absolutely lose his shit just now think he is a great bloke? your next door neighbours? regardless, if other people think he's great they can marry him and listen to his tantrums. it doesn't matter what other people think. as to what you say to him, that's up to you but personally I think it should start with 'the way you speak to me is completely disgusting and disrespectful and I have had enough of it' and end with 'you need to leave now because I refuse to let our children live in a domestic abuse situation one second longer'

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/01/2021 14:24

What do you get out of this relationship now?.

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?. From the little you write of it, a lot of damaging lessons (even your mother thinks he is a good man and her relationship bar is so low its through the floor). She is not the person at all to go to here for advice; she is not reliable nor actually emotionally safe. You've likely chosen a man subconsciously very much like your own dad here and this man targeted you as well deliberately. You met him at a very low point in your life and he honed in on all that and targeted you accordingly.

Abusers as well can appear to be quite plausible to those in the outside world but one or two of your friends or work colleagues will have their own private based suspicions about him.

I would urge you to contact both Womens Aid on 0808 2000247 and a Solicitor with a view to starting divorce proceedings. This is no life for you and for that matter your children to be seeing; they are seeing you as their mother being abused by their dad. It affects them markedly. You have a choice re this man also, they do not. They have to follow your lead.

lovemenot · 26/01/2021 14:25

The only way to communicate with an angry, resentful spouse is to refuse to tolerate his behaviour. You didn't cause it, you don't deserve it, so (safely) stand up for yourself.

Or LTB.

frazzledasarock · 26/01/2021 14:26

I wouldn’t say anything to him. I’d be making plans to leave him.

52andblue · 26/01/2021 14:26

everyone else thought my exH was 'a lovely guy' too.
He wasn't with me. Or the kids eventually.
He was only able to 'function' outside because he was using me as an emotional punchbag.
OP, I think you need to consider what you gain from this, to decide if you might be better separating. He will not change unless HE wants to and that is unlikely from what you have said so far. Stay strong xx

Silenceisgolden20 · 26/01/2021 14:27

Talk to someone you trust i should add.
Be careful about standing up to him with any plans of leaving. Plan away from him do he doesn't step it up.