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How to communicate with an angry, resentful spouse

76 replies

medlenno · 26/01/2021 13:53

My husband of many years and father to our two children is increasingly angry and resentful of me and won't communicate over it and won't allow me to do things to help either. He fights fire with nuclear weapons, his body language is bristling and unfriendly and he's started to make odd comments about me ("Jesus look at your glutes" "your hair looks better now it's longer" that feel like compliments but not at the same time.

We both work part time, he in an office over night 2 nights, me very shifts 4 days a week from home.

Just today he really blasted me but sadly my work microphone was on so they heard:

(I offered to do a shop - he likes to make a big thing of me never shopping despite the fact that I pick up food (veg from market, toilettries, housestuff etc from other places and other household stuff probably once a day pre pandemic) as well as doing shops probably half the number of times he does)

He had tense body language and tension in his voice saying that we needed:
washing stuff
tinned tomatoes
dishwasher stuff
meat,
dried goods,
loo roll --- going on previous flare ups he rattles off this list because "I won't pick these things up properly, the dates will be not long enough you name it, it'll be wrong

I am working (hi intensity stuff, on permanent TEAMS call, 3 computer screens, have to ask permission to leave desk for loo etc) and was curt and felt attacked a little by the list and said: I get the message

He kicked off with: Well you can go your F*CKING SELF shouted really angrily which sadly my colleagues heard since I wasn't on mute. No one said anything but I felt dreadful, muted and had a little cry to gather myself.

He brought me up the lunch I had made y'day and banged it down. Cue me having another cry (muted)

He then said he was going to the supermarket (leaving me with 2 children in the house while still on shift) and I offered to go, saying in as conciliatory way as possible that I really don't mind, you do it often, if it helps I am happy to go...

He replied: "You need to run," (to which I replied it doesn't matter I can later) "you need to interact with your children" (that one hover in the background alot) take xx out for her exercise

I offered again, was refused, said it was unfair if I offer to do thing thing but am not allowed.

"All I want if for you to be civil to me" "You need to sort your anger out, the way you speak to people, others have commented....."

It's the same with laundry, I don;'t do it, if I do I do it badly, Laundry baskets are slammed down next to me, with this heavy sighing etc. But if I offer to do I am challenged. It's like he wants to be this martyr ad I can't take that from him (very like his mother)

By the way if you knew me you clearly see I go mental over tidying - I actually always have loved cooking and cleaning and sewing and DIY and it soothed my childhood when things were bad, so I actively love it. I do woodworking and painting and DIY etc, I earn the same, engineered my work so I'd hardly miss being there for the children.

He is suffering clearly, feels rudderless and has done nothing to talk about loss of his father a few years back and come to terms with his bad relationship with his mother. He won't talk to me though. If I am a good girl everything is fine.

He's has always been generally dismissive and avoidant but he never used to be so unkind or been told I'm 'mad' 'irritable' or whatever defensive slingshot he chooses. If I were to cry he'd roll his eyes now.
If anything is lost it is immediately my fault.

I met him after a really bad time after I'd done a year abroad and was raped. He was there for me, kind and helpful. We were big partiers back then - maybe because I was vulnerable and somewhat pissed a lot I didn't notice the powerplay.

I don't drink now (he does heavily 50 60 units although would deny it) and am very into running and looking after myself - I think that has turned the dynamic and because I am sober I notice stuff more, plus I am older and stand up for myself.

I always make the conciliatory gestures, always say sorry (the word has never passed his in a non sarcastic way)

I am not blameless, I have explained why I have been upset to my children - this isn't good, my mum did it with me, ity' not their job to regulate me, but in lieu of any other genuine reason tpo explain why I am crying I've been honest. I've stressed that it is okay - that it's about communication and we can always learn from these mistakes. But still I hate that I have gone down this route,

I'm sad - it's like watching someone slip through your fingers, you love them but cannot speak to them. I hope he still loves me, right now he's too angry to show it,

Anyway, I;ve been told almost daily I talk too much.;)

OP posts:
Shehasadiamondinthesky · 26/01/2021 14:30

No way would I allow anyone to treat me like this. Its time to plan for a divorce. This is no way to live and there is no excuse for his behaviour.

OhioOhioOhio · 26/01/2021 14:33

My xh used to do this to me. It's so hard to see properly because it's called reactive abuse. His comments are designed to make you react. Then he gets to behave in a superior manner be you are then angry. Or you are a good girl and he is your master. I'm 5 years on. As I write this my kids and I are snuggled up on the couch watching tele and eating sweets. I have some work to do and they have homework jobs but we ate going out for a walk first. No one is angry, worried or concerned. Life is a dream without wondering what is going to happen next. Read Pat Craven, 'living with the dominator.'

OhioOhioOhio · 26/01/2021 14:34

The but you need to learn about is that he's doing it on purpose. It took me years to recognise that.

HollowTalk · 26/01/2021 14:35

You need to act. He sounds appalling. I hope everyone hearing him will give you the impetus to do something. Does he know now that he was overheard? I hope someone from work speaks to you about this so you have some support.

Have a look at the Entitled To website to see whether you'd get any kind of tax credits or other help if you lived separately.

Santaiscovidfree · 26/01/2021 14:37

I filed for divorce and didn't tell abusive dh until he got the letter from my solicitor... Or he would never have ' allowed' it to happen.

OhioOhioOhio · 26/01/2021 14:39

I wish I'd done that Santa

Dragongirl10 · 26/01/2021 14:39

Leave, that is no way to live.Don't waste another minute, don't discuss, just make your plans....

OhioOhioOhio · 26/01/2021 14:40

I'd also send an email to my colleagues apologising for what they heard. One of them is bound to reply. Then you'll have the beginning of evidence about his behaviour. Please don't waste years feeling loyalty towards your husband and your love for him. I did that. It was really naive of me. Your husband doesn't give a shit about you.

MadameButterface · 26/01/2021 14:50

I'd also send an email to my colleagues apologising for what they heard. One of them is bound to reply. Then you'll have the beginning of evidence about his behaviour.

this is very very good advice. a paper trail of evidence of his abuse will help support any future application for legal aid on the grounds of being a victim of DV. Speak to women's aid too and request call log evidence from them. not just for this, but they will be able to walk you through what you need to do step by step. breaking it down into smaller tasks makes 'leaving' or 'kicking him out' less of a big scary concept.

tatkin · 26/01/2021 14:52

He’s acting as if nothing has happened. Now i am supposed to be ‘interacting with the children’ he is baking with them. Funnily enough re neighbour he recently had a spectacular fall out. She is super annoying and complainey but his reaction after years of ‘helping her’ ‘bending to her whims’ he ended up calling her a miserable old bag - she gave as good as she got but still he’s s bloke and she’s nearly 70. He wouldnt let ne take her a conciliatory cake, or if i did ‘you’ll have to deal with her’ i wont’ the righteous indignation sits wrong with me.

tatkin · 26/01/2021 14:54

Sorry - that logged into different device with old login - this is medlenno.
I cant shake that me going on about his temper is me projection

Appledrop · 26/01/2021 15:04

@tatkin you need to listen to the advice already given. This isn't a good setting for yourself let alone your children and you know it! This shouldn't be about whether he loves you or not, this is about your mental health and the mental health of your children.

RandomMess · 26/01/2021 15:19

😳

I think you communicate by serving divorce papers tbh.

harknesswitch · 26/01/2021 15:29

Plop you're being abused in your own home.

Did he know your work colleagues could hear? I bet he didn't as I'm sure he wants to be seen as the kind and caring husband.

I'd kick off divorce proceedings tbh

tatkin · 26/01/2021 15:43

Thank you, may be offline a bit. I’ve realised i have no friends really.

RandomMess · 26/01/2021 15:51

I wish I could give you a big hug.

Whatever you do he will berate and tell you off for.

Dig deep and find the strength to know you and the DC deserve better ThanksThanksThanksThanks

DameCelia · 26/01/2021 15:53

@tatkin I bet he's never encouraged your friendships and may well have put barriers in the way if you developing and maintaining them. That will be deliberate on his part, to avoid you getting any outside perspective on his behaviour.
In your shoes I'd be asking myself whether I wanted my children growing up to repeat this dynamic in their own relationships.
If it's not good enough for them why is it good enough for you?

Embracelife · 26/01/2021 16:01

Do not apologise for him
Do not justify his behaviour to anyone

You could tell your colleagues that you recognize his behaviour is appalling.

He chooses to act this way
You cannot change him ...you walk on eggshells but this does not work
You can change your behaviiour
Plan your exit
Get legal advice
Do not tell him until you set to leave

tatkin · 26/01/2021 16:04

Thank you - crying again xxxx

SanFranBear · 26/01/2021 16:23

I hope he still loves me

Sorry to pick this specifically from your OP as I know you've explained a bit more but I have to ask - why? He treats you so so badly...

You're not blameless - you admit this yourself - but you deserve more, you can do better... dont settle for this, taking any small crumb of comfort, apologising, offering to do everything even though you know you'll get it 'wrong', hoping he still loves you? Why would you want his love if its shown to you in this way - hateful arguments, picking, endless passive-aggressive crap. Heartbreaking!

I wish you so much strength so you can get some time away from this man and think about what you truly want from life because it certainly shouldn't be this!

pheonixrebirth · 26/01/2021 16:27

I can tell you right now that you will never achieve his levels of perfection no matter how much you tie yourself in knots trying. He will move the goal posts every time.
The fact that you have started sticking up for your self is probably why his behaviour has ramped up. He can't have that, he needs to keep you down and doubting yourself. So many of us on here have been through it, left and can't quite believe just how happy we are! When you have a life that is entirely yours the joy is immense! Trust yourself and get out, you are not living your best life you are existing in his enforced hell. Wait for it................
My first ever LTB💪💐

jay55 · 26/01/2021 16:59

If his level of drinking is that high and he's swearing at you while you are on a work call, it sounds like it won't be safe for you in your home for much longer.

You don't have to wait for it to get worse, it is already bad enough.

wantmorenow · 26/01/2021 17:49

Please stop justifying and excusing his behaviour. He is choosing to treat you badly. If you are in a largish organisation they will have a domestic abuse policy and you may be able access some support from them which would also help redress some of the damage he's done at your work. I was in a college and they had a policy for support, counselling, reasonable adjustments to helps those suffering.

Please look after yourself, it's home not you. He doesn't deserve you.

pointythings · 26/01/2021 18:01

How do you tell him?

You get your ducks in a row - financial information, mortgage paperwork, birth certificates, passports, anything you can get your hands on. You find a divorce lawyer. You start looking into accommodation for yourself and DC.

Then when you're ready, you tell him you want a divorce, that it is happening and that you're done.

You don't have to be perfect or blameless, by the way. You just have to be a decent human being. This is a standard your OH isn't meeting.

Also the drinking is a massive red flag - it usually get worse.

Yorkshirehillbilly · 26/01/2021 18:09

my ex-h wasnt like this initially but it escalated once he became unhappy with the marriage but didnt have the courage to end it. I think it was his way of pushing me to end it. Once you reach the contempt stage - which is how he treats with you - then there is no way back in my opinion. I made excuses for years he was depressed, had insomnia, work problems, life problems, that i gave as good as I got so was equally to blame. Now he has gone I realise it was never me. I never fall out with anyone else. I handle lifes ups and downs well. I am not argumentative. I was just forced into a situation of defending myself. I ended it when I reached the point where I was considering stopping sticking up for myself as that just made things worse and realising that was not who I was - I wasnt someone who would take abuse and not stand my ground - and that one of my children started copying him and speaking to me in the same way. I wish I had ended it much sooner - not just for me - but because I worried my child was permanently damaged by it and would behave like that in his own relationships as it had become his normal. My child's behaivour is better now thank goodness, but if I could go back in time I would have protected my children from the toxic environment sooner. My ex did the same thing humiliating me in front of others knowing that was something that would really get to me.