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Affairs, Why Do They Happen?

276 replies

TwinkleStar88 · 18/01/2021 23:35

Hi,
I’m not sure why I’m writing this but maybe I’m looking for clarity with regards to the reasons behind affairs.
Within the last few years many family members/friends/colleagues have either been involved in affairs, or have been the victim of an affair. Whether this is emotional/physical it’s very much happening. My SIL also was involved in an affair over a year ago, which shocked all of us, very happy marriage on the outside, a beautiful home, two children, no money worries, a supportive husband etc and I’ve never really worked out why she did it, she seemed happy but clearly wasn’t happy, is it possible to have an affair and still be happy, or is an affair a symptom of an unhappy marriage?
I worked in an office many years ago with a few of the males openly admitting to ‘having fun on the side!’ Again, they had children, even photos of their family on their work desk.
As time has gone by I am seeing this more and more, it’s often highlighted on this thread many times too.
Why do so many seemingly happy people have affairs? Is it unhappiness, boredom? The need to feel wanted by more than one person?
This has also made me question my marriage and wonder if it could happen to me! Totally unreasonable I know!

OP posts:
Chocolate123 · 20/01/2021 09:51

I believe affairs happen for many reasons. In general I think it's because a marriage maybe has become routine and if kids are around they become priority in a home. Communication becomes a problem as people have busy lives.
It doesn't make it right though. Affairs destroy lives. If a relationship is not working then the options are work on it or leave I know that's easier said than done but an affair should never be the result. How many times have we seen her the damage affairs do.

unmarkedbythat · 20/01/2021 10:12

Someone I am close to had a long term affair with a colleague. Her colleague was a man whose wife was very unwell with a degenerative condition. He loved his wife, was committed to remaining her partner in life, would never, ever leave her, saw her as his soulmate and the love of his life. But he had a need for affection and passion and intimacy that could not be met inside their marriage and he went outside to get it: he was discreet and careful. Some of the black and white thinkers above would have a very hard time convincing me that he was a cruel, selfish bastard only out for himself and for whom there could be no understanding. Following their thinking, he had two options and two options only: divorce his wife so he was free to have a sexual relationship with another, or remain married and accept early in his adulthood that he would remain celibate and his only intimacy with another adult would come from providing bodily care. I very much doubt either of those options would have meant less suffering than what he actually chose to do.

Baws · 20/01/2021 10:50

@unmarkedbythat

Exactly!
Any of these posters could find themselves in a similar situation. Life is rarely as black and white as some on here claim. It is far too simplistic to judge someone as a bad person solely because they have had an affair.

runningthrougharedlight · 20/01/2021 10:56

Unmarkedby, was his wife aware that he’d made this decision? I know in these scenarios the incapacitated partner often encourages the other person to look elsewhere, acknowledging that they can’t meet all of their partner’s needs. That must be a really tough thing to do, to love someone deeply but know, because of your own body’s physical limitations, that they are sexually involved with someone else.

daddyshark1976 · 20/01/2021 11:16

it takes both partners to make a relationship/marriage work. Think of it as a plant, don't give it care and attention and water and it shrivels up and dies. When I read this thread I wonder if people can say they really put 100% effort in with their partners, both those who have had affairs and whose who are the innocent party.

SecondStageIgnition · 20/01/2021 11:17

Perhaps an affair happens because the man meets a younger woman who reminds him of his wife when she was young and beautiful.

smallhorserunning · 20/01/2021 11:35

@unmarkedbythat

Someone I am close to had a long term affair with a colleague. Her colleague was a man whose wife was very unwell with a degenerative condition. He loved his wife, was committed to remaining her partner in life, would never, ever leave her, saw her as his soulmate and the love of his life. But he had a need for affection and passion and intimacy that could not be met inside their marriage and he went outside to get it: he was discreet and careful. Some of the black and white thinkers above would have a very hard time convincing me that he was a cruel, selfish bastard only out for himself and for whom there could be no understanding. Following their thinking, he had two options and two options only: divorce his wife so he was free to have a sexual relationship with another, or remain married and accept early in his adulthood that he would remain celibate and his only intimacy with another adult would come from providing bodily care. I very much doubt either of those options would have meant less suffering than what he actually chose to do.
I know someone in a similar situation. His wife developed a chronic health condition and stopped having sex. He was only 40 and they had a young family. He realised he had a choice of leaving his wife whom he loved and describes as his best friend and breaking up his children's home, or seeking sex elsewhere, or being celibate which he felt unable to do.. He chose to have affairs. And he does carry guilt about it.

I'm judgey about a lot of reasons for having an affair, but not all anymore.

There is no answer to OPs question as the reasons people have affairs are many and varied. They just like sex with lots of people, they are unhappy, they are in sexless marriages, they are middle aged and want to regain the 'thrill of excitement' of a new relationship, they are lonely, they fall in love, they are bored of family life, they like having a home partners and a sex partner.

Thewookiemustgo · 20/01/2021 12:16

Lack of honesty with others and even with themselves when faced with one of life’s turning points: opportunity.

Good/ bad relationships suffer from affairs, ordinary people have affairs. This does not necessarily mean they are bad people, I prefer to describe behaviour as good or bad rather than a person themselves. Behaviour can change and that’s how we grow and learn from the inevitable mistakes we make in life, big or small. We are all capable of good and bad behaviour, but deep down most of us actually want to be good people, even when we get it spectacularly wrong.
If we are honest, when our relationship isn’t going well, we discuss our problems openly and depending on the responses we get, we decide to work on the relationship or leave it. However many grey areas there are around this view, the honest thing to do boils down to two choices. That it is ‘not that simple’ or ‘not that black and white’ just muddies the waters and opens the door to excuses. We prefer grey to black and white sometimes because we would rather not face up to life’s challenges, especially when others might get hurt.
If all else fails, we tell the partner who will not change or work on it, despite our open and frank discussion of the problem, sometimes sadly stated many times to no avail, that since things have not changed, we will look elsewhere to get our needs met. We tell them.

We need to find the strength to be honest about things, even, and especially, the tough things we might find very hard, but need to say.

There is no need to be dishonest. Dishonesty only benefits one person and can destroy another. It usually damages everyone in the triangle to greater/ lesser extent.
If you have agreed/ committed to a relationship which is understood by both parties to be completely exclusive, no matter what, the other person in the relationship deserves the chance to know that a turning point has been reached and that exclusivity is no longer certain. Unilateral private moving of the goalposts is dishonest and unfair.

People justify their affairs to themselves and others using a myriad of reasons, usually citing a deficiency in their relationship or partner which may or may not be true or minimised/ exaggerated to soothe their conscience. The commonality is dishonesty. If you are ok with using dishonesty to serve your own ends, rather than honestly facing up to your problems or tough choices, when the opportunity presents itself you are more than likely to take it.

The difference between people who have affairs and people who don’t, rests on whether or not they can justify dishonesty to themselves as a route to getting their needs met and a way to avoid tough choices, no matter whose ‘fault’ the affair is perceived to be.

smallhorserunning · 20/01/2021 12:36

If you have agreed/ committed to a relationship which is understood by both parties to be completely exclusive, no matter what, the other person in the relationship deserves the chance to know that a turning point has been reached and that exclusivity is no longer certain

You are assuming they would rather know than not know.

Given the number of threads where a spouse has stopped having sex with their partner for years and years, yet professes shock and outrage when their partner is having an affair, I think an awful lot of people decide to deliberately blind themselves to the fact that their partner is likely to be seeking sex and all the intimacy that comes with that elsewhere. There's a lack of self-honesty in that too. There's a lack of honesty in ending sex with your partner and never having a discussion with them about what that means for the relationship.

Seadad · 20/01/2021 12:55

There is also a lack of honesty in people who assume sex must not be important to them because they are not wanting sex with their partners. Affairs happen that way too- when feelings are 'awakened' by an experience like the OP.

GotBeatenUp · 20/01/2021 13:23

As someone who has been raped and assaulted when I found out about the affair, I can say that for me the latter was far worse than the former.

With one, my body had been violated, with the other, my mind had. When the then DP and I DTD, I thought it was as part of our love for each other. It wasn't.

Thinking about it disgusts me.

I can only talk from my own perspective and FWIW, the rape was 'date rape'.

GappyValley · 20/01/2021 14:59

@unmarkedbythat

Someone I am close to had a long term affair with a colleague. Her colleague was a man whose wife was very unwell with a degenerative condition. He loved his wife, was committed to remaining her partner in life, would never, ever leave her, saw her as his soulmate and the love of his life. But he had a need for affection and passion and intimacy that could not be met inside their marriage and he went outside to get it: he was discreet and careful. Some of the black and white thinkers above would have a very hard time convincing me that he was a cruel, selfish bastard only out for himself and for whom there could be no understanding. Following their thinking, he had two options and two options only: divorce his wife so he was free to have a sexual relationship with another, or remain married and accept early in his adulthood that he would remain celibate and his only intimacy with another adult would come from providing bodily care. I very much doubt either of those options would have meant less suffering than what he actually chose to do.
These sorts of comments play straight into the misogynistic nonsense that the only sort of happy and fulfilled life is one with regular sex.

Really, he would have been ‘miserable’ without regular sexual contact?
Hmm

This type of thinking is only one step away from Incels philosophy that sex is a basic human right and the state should provide sex workers to service men who can’t get it otherwise

daddyshark1976 · 20/01/2021 15:06

Most people like sex
some people like kinky sex (yes please)
people usually don't get into relationships/married to become celibate
its not fair for one person in the relationship to force the other to be celibate

sex is natural, and in a relationship I think its essential to build up a bond a closeness and everything else flows from that closeness.

my 2p.

daddyshark1976 · 20/01/2021 15:08

the need for sex isn't solely just a man thing
I am willing to bet most women feel the same
that sex is an essential part of intimacy within a loving relationship
if you're not having sex then its a sham marriage/relationship and you're effectively just "friends" or at worst, house/flat mates

daddyshark1976 · 20/01/2021 15:20

I should also say - men/women who have happy home lives and a fulfilling sexual relationship with their significant other, and still decide to have affairs are disgusting people. I can't understand why someone who has everything (great relationship and a good healthy sex life) would want to cheat with someone else. In my experience I only know of people fall into affairs when they are deeply unhappy with their partner/relationship for some reason. I can't imagine having an affair just for the sake of it, that seems just indefensible.

Bibidy · 20/01/2021 15:23

I think that generally people can get a bit bored in their humdrum lives, even if they love their partner. Sometimes someone comes along and takes an interest and it gives them that little spark of excitement back.

Equally, there are people who stay in unhappy relationships due to children or finances and then meet somebody who they actually click with and it ends up in an affair.

DerelictWreck · 20/01/2021 15:23

Really, he would have been ‘miserable’ without regular sexual contact?
hmm

Well I would be. I don't think it's far fetched so say most people would be. Especially when in a relationship and therefore have the love and opportunity. Makes the absence much more obvious

daddyshark1976 · 20/01/2021 15:25

@Bibidy

I think that generally people can get a bit bored in their humdrum lives, even if they love their partner. Sometimes someone comes along and takes an interest and it gives them that little spark of excitement back.

Equally, there are people who stay in unhappy relationships due to children or finances and then meet somebody who they actually click with and it ends up in an affair.

children/finances I bet is very common. but yes, you can meet someone you click with, and not act on it, but if you are unhappy then something could happen, and does.
nothereagain · 20/01/2021 15:40

These sorts of comments play straight into the misogynistic nonsense that the only sort of happy and fulfilled life is one with regular sex

Personally I think the undercurrent of that sentence, that women aren't really arsed about sex, is misogynistic.

Really, he would have been ‘miserable’ without regular sexual contact?
Yes, to many people sex is part of a full and happy life. To many people, sex is a fundamental part of a good relationship. I don't really understand why people on here can understand why not meeting other parts of a partners' relationship expectations (emotional and practical support etc) is a reason to end a relationship, but cutting out sex (which to many people is part of that emotional relationship) is just fine and partners should accept it.
But the comment expressed there by PP just shows how easy it is for people to change their relationship to sexless and lie to themselves about how that is ok and should not affect their relationship in anyway.

This type of thinking is only one step away from Incels philosophy that sex is a basic human right and the state should provide sex workers to service men who can’t get it otherwise
That comment is just daft hyperbole.

thenewduchessofhastings · 20/01/2021 15:49

I think women who cheat do it often more so because they feel emotionally neglected by their partners or are feeling lonely.

With men it seems to often more about sex and stroking their male egos ;how many blame their exhausted partners who are doing the shit work at home because they don't feel like hopping to it when their other halves want sex on demand or that their partners have "let themselves go","isn't interested in them anymore" etc

I have noticed on here that a large percentage of affairs seem to be with work colleagues.

nothereagain · 20/01/2021 15:59

I think women who cheat do it often more so because they feel emotionally neglected by their partners or are feeling lonely

With men it seems to often more about sex

I hate to say it, but in my limited experience this generalisation does seem to be true. The women were unhappy in their marriages. The men were happy in the relationship and wanted to maintain it, but wanted the excitement of sex with someone new (pathetic).

GlowingOrb · 20/01/2021 16:01

I had an emotional affair.

I was profoundly unhappy in my marriage. We had no children. We fought constantly. I thought he was a casual drug user and partner which bothered me as I thought it was time to grow up, but I found out after I finally left that the problem was much bigger and he had been lying to me like crazy. He was actually using daily. About a year before I finally left I decided to stop fighting and just try to make my marriage work. That was a huge mistake. My husband took that as a sign that things were better. Instead, we just kept living the separate lives we had been living.

My affair came with my best friend. He had been my best friend throughout. One day I realized that I shared more with him than I shared with my husband and if I wanted to make my marriage work I had to drop my friend. That was crazy.

So I left my husband. Friend and I have been happy together ever since.

ThisTooShallBe · 20/01/2021 16:32

My marriage was sexless (I’d lost respect for my XH) but we agreed to trudge on until DD3 was 19. Because I was married I did not look elsewhere - i took a vow and I’m obstinate! - but I turned a blind eye to what XH may or may not have been doing. So if he was having an affair it was with my tacit consent, I didn’t want to know. I suspect this sort of thing happens a fair amount when two people are married in name only.

ShimmyAndShine · 20/01/2021 16:36

Because of Biology. Marriage all well and good in the olden days when people died in their 40s/50s....till death do us part wasnt that long. But humans weren't designed to live and love just one other person for 50+ years....it's not natural and even less so for men whose evolutionary priority is fertilising females. People grow and change( that is a good thing) and people aren't the same people at say 40 than they were at 20

GappyValley · 20/01/2021 16:55

Yes, to many people sex is part of a full and happy life. To many people, sex is a fundamental part of a good relationship. I don't really understand why people on here can understand why not meeting other parts of a partners' relationship expectations (emotional and practical support etc) is a reason to end a relationship, but cutting out sex (which to many people is part of that emotional relationship) is just fine and partners should accept it.

So you are honestly saying that if one partner is out of sexual action because of an illness, a birth injury, a trauma, and therefore not meeting the expectations of the other partner, that is a justifiable reason to have an affair or end a relationship?
Because life without sex, even while fighting a terrible disease, is going to be ‘miserable’?

Either you’ve had a very charmed life if the most miserable thing you can imagine is not enough sex, or you have a very low opinion of the sincerity of marriage vows

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