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Opinions please what is going on here?

79 replies

Confusedcrush · 18/01/2021 15:50

Long sorry. Have nc and changed some details in the hope of not outing myself. I have been on my own with DC for a long time, and frankly didn't have much relationship experience before that, so I feel pretty clueless and unsure.

DC has specialist physio, and I'm confused about what (if anything) is going on between me and the therapist. Sometimes I think he's just friendly and gregarious, sometimes I think there's more. Therapist comes to our house to work, sometimes he comes an hour early to 'catch up' with me, will ask about DCs exercises but also talk about general stuff. He is often very chatty/kind of flirty in texts, eg banter about coming in disguiseduring lockdown so he's not stopped by the police got a bit edgy. He works across a big area as it's a niche kind of physio, so is often driving distances and a few times we've talked on the phone while he's driving and he's been a bit open - eg talking about doing stupid things when you're a teen ended up with him telling me his eldest DC was conceived when he was a teen and only exists because he was hoping the girl in question would give him a lift to a club, and one thing led to another and there's a DC. I mean, that's a bit familiar, isn't it?

There have been other things, one time DC had a bit of a breakthrough in physio and the therapist took him for a burger as a reward - when they gotback DC said next time can we get KFC, and therapist said 'yes but we'll bring it back for other DC and mum, so we can all eat as a family'. Another time DC asked him to stay for dinner, and he rang me from the car to say he would have done if he didn't have another appointment later. He messaged on xmas day to thank me/DC for his very unexciting, box of Quality Street-type xmas present. But then he goes quiet, after that nothing for 2 weeks til he messaged to book the next session. I don't know what to think, we can message back and forth even quite late at night, then nothing.

I'm not 100% whether he's attached or not - though if I was his partner I don't think I'd be happy with him having bantery messages with single women into the evenings and on weekends. I know he's got several DC from more than one relationship, youngest are teen/20s at least, oldest nearer my age - he's 15 years older thanme. I think 2 DC live with him, but he never talks about a partner, he never says 'we' always 'I' - I'm going camping at the weekend, I'm getting takeaway can't be bothered to cook. He's got a flat in a part of the country he often works, and I know he stays there alone as he's left from here before for a few days there. But he's got dogs so there must be someone at home with them while he's away, could be the DC I guess. I've tried fishing for info, eg asking if lockdown messed up his xmas plans, he said it meant he wouldn't see eldest DC and extended family.

I'm fully aware that I'm starved of adult company, he's basically the only adult who's come in our house for months, and I had no male interest way before that, so I sometimes think it's that I'm just lonely and reading too much into it. But then I think he seems genuinely to want to see or message me. I'm so confused! Please MNers who have more experience than me, opinions on this?

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AramintaLee · 18/01/2021 16:01

Ermmm... I'm not really sure what to say but didn't want to read and run.

My initial thoughts are he's definitely overstepping the mark in terms of a professional capacity. Like taking your DC out for a meal and exchanging texts about anything other than your DC's physio. It's a little too friendly/casual IMO. For example I wouldn't want that sort of behaviour as I'm in a relationship so I would be getting a new physiotherapist.

However, 'm guessing you like him so you don't mind this and would like to pursue something? If you're on friendly terms then I guess you could always fish for info... ie. "have you and your wife got any nice plans with your kids this weekend?" That sort of thing. If it catches him off guard and he umms and ahhs then he likely has a wife/partner but is enjoys the flirtation with his clients.

It's a tricky one OP. You could always just leave it and carry on as you are and see if he says anything.

seensome · 18/01/2021 16:03

I would think he's fishing but doesn't want to completely over step the professional line, although texting evenings and not about booking appointments? I guess that does seem like he's interested BUT if I were you I'd give him a miss, he hasn't actually said he is single so you don't know for sure and his got quite a past history with several children with different women! That would be off putting for me.

category12 · 18/01/2021 16:14

He sounds like one to swerve, if you ask me. I get that you're lonely and excited by his potential interest, but

  • he has several children by different women
  • he's being unprofessional and over-familiar
  • he's inconsistent
  • you don't know if he's single, but several things suggest he's not

He sounds like a bit like a phsyio version of the horny milkman.

ravenmum · 18/01/2021 16:15

Ah for goodness sakes, next time just ask if he and his wife enjoyed the chocolates ...

Sssloou · 18/01/2021 16:18

I think taking your child out alone is a big red flag. This would not sit within any within any ethical professional boundaries at all.

How did that come about? I personally would be concerned about grooming of you to get to your child.

You all sound so vulnerable.

Confusedcrush · 18/01/2021 16:26

Horny milkman Grin that's what I'm afraid of! Ok, I've had my head turned cos it's been so many years since a man has even looked at me and I'm lonely. I'm not going to jump into anything, and you're right several DC with different women isn't a good look, plus he is edging into unprofessional too.

Please don't worry about grooming, its above board and he's DBS and vouched for by social services, plus despite being naive in relationship terms I'm no pushover.

Thanks all, I appreciate the input and have noone in RL to ask.

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Mermaidwaves · 18/01/2021 16:39

He's not verging on unprofessional he's already crossed that boundary. Texting you late at night in a chatty sense not related to your son's physio, taking him out for food and wanting to stay for dinner is not professional, red flag there. He could be doing this to other single mums too you may not be the only one, I would be wary.

category12 · 18/01/2021 16:59

DBS etc don't actually mean he's safe, it just means he hasn't been caught for anything. Not suggesting there is anything untoward, but it's not a guarantee of anything. And he is crossing lines of professionalism with both you and your child.

MuckyPlucky · 18/01/2021 17:30

I work in a similar profession to the Physio and am accredited by the same body of professional standards as him (HCPC).

I can categorically say he is breaking many of our Code of Ethics and Professional Accountability. If another professional got wind of this it would be their duty to report this to HCPC, there would be an investigation and he would likely be struck-off.

MuckyPlucky · 18/01/2021 17:34

He’s fully aware of the above fact, as he has to sign the code and demonstrate compliance. Especially as he’s a senior specialist physio he can’t even claim ignorance of the Code of Ethics as if he were a newly-qualified junior.

Urgh, he’s knowingly breaking his professional code in various ways, and his back-story sounds like he’s got a woman/child in every port.
This man sounds almost predatory or at least a serial shagger and a crap Physio.

Please OP, consider reporting to the HCPC. Your sons care is at stake, and who knows how many other kids he’s taking out for inappropriate burgers in order to get into their mothers’ affections???? Your son and the welfare of other families should be a priority, not having your head turned by the inappropriate attentions of a professional who should know better.

Miramour · 18/01/2021 17:38

If you like him. back, if you started a romantic relationship and if it faltered, what impact would it have on your child? That would be my main concern.

The next is that he crosses professional boundaries, you know this, so if you were to have a relationship with him, how would you trust him?

MuckyPlucky · 18/01/2021 17:46

Miramour- you’re right that if they had a relationship it could impact on the son, but also if they had a relationship he would be behaving outrageously if he also continued to be her son’s clinician & would probably be sacked.

You have to declare conflicts of interest. I once had to declare that a ward I was working on had admitted someone who’s son I used to go to school with 15 years ago. I’d never met her and hadn’t seen her son in 15 years, but I was still aware I could not treat her and she was assigned a different clinician.

HollowTalk · 18/01/2021 17:50

@category12

He sounds like one to swerve, if you ask me. I get that you're lonely and excited by his potential interest, but
  • he has several children by different women
  • he's being unprofessional and over-familiar
  • he's inconsistent
  • you don't know if he's single, but several things suggest he's not

He sounds like a bit like a phsyio version of the horny milkman.

I agree with this, and I also think you won't be the only woman he's talking to like this (though I'd bet my house that none of the women are older than he is.)

Keep things on a professional level. He sounds really inappropriate.

HollowTalk · 18/01/2021 17:51

Just re-read - he took your DC out on their own? Are you insane? Why would you allow that to happen? He is grooming you all.

GreenlandTheMovie · 18/01/2021 18:10

I'm not 100% whether he's attached or not - though if I was his partner I don't think I'd be happy with him having bantery messages with single women into the evenings and on weekends. I know he's got several DC from more than one relationship, youngest are teen/20s at least, oldest nearer my age - he's 15 years older thanme.

So he keeps it vague whether he's single or attached, is inappropriate in the workplace, has several children by various different women and is a lot older - I'd steer clear.

Unless you want a casual shag - he sounds like just the type for that.

CherryBlossomTree7 · 18/01/2021 18:18

Taking your DC out for dinner? Never mind everything else you said, this is inappropriate OP.

OldWomanSaysThis · 18/01/2021 18:18

He sounds like a player - and even if you did get together, every time he drove off to some client's house, you would wonder if he's becoming overly familiar with that client too - seeing as he has form for that.

Whatabambam · 18/01/2021 18:29

DBS checks, even enhanced ones where all data held on the person is shared, is only as good as the day it was done. Likewise, perpetrators can avoid prosecution for various reasons and so being legally culpable for a criminal offence is only one way to identify behaviour. I would actually want to report this guy. If I was his line manager, I would view this behaviour as deeply worrying with clear signs of unethical conduct and breaching his professional conduct.

He's also just a player who probably sees many lone females as easy prey. He's a predator. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid. And report.

Invest in yourself with the intention of meeting decent human beings after lockdown.

Confusedcrush · 18/01/2021 18:36

Ok see this is what I needed MN to tell me, yes he's probably like this with loads of clients/their mums and hasn't exactly covered himself in glory in previous relationships from what he's said. I am just building it up into something it isn't/shouldn't be because I'm lonely and I miss talking to adults in real life. Thank you.

Re the unprofessional thing yes I agree I wouldn't talk to a client/their mum the way he does, but in terms of grooming etc I really don't have concerns and I'm not blind to these things (I had a colleague who turned out to be a paedophile and we all had debriefs, training etc as to how he'd groomed us as well as his victims so I am alive to that stuff). In terms of his professional registration etc I have been vague because it is outing but he was sourced and is being paid for by social services to address some stuff DC struggles with which was caused by his dad when he was too tiny to remember. The therapist does this kind of work with other DC and sees them on their own etc, the last thing i want is posters being concerned about that side of things. I know it sounds dodgy but it's not like it sounds in terms of what he is doing with DC. Sorry to worry anyone.

Thanks eveyone who posted, I needed to hear that!

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Mintlegs · 18/01/2021 18:38

It may be innocent but it is a common ploy by groomers to lead the parent to think they are interested in them accidentally on purpose to gain access to the child. It all comes across as very light, nice, innocent and fun. Be very very careful, red flags to me. I may be a cynic but why is he playing the doting role model to your child instead of all of the kids he’s fathered?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 18/01/2021 19:06

Letting him take your son out for a meal was a really strange decision.

He is often very chatty/kind of flirty in texts, eg banter about coming in disguiseduring lockdown so he's not stopped by the police got a bit edgy.

Disengage. I would ask your lead contact at social services if there's any possibility of being assigned someone else. This has got to the stage now where it's really inappropriate and he's involving your children in things unrelated to his job role... and you're allowing him to.

Blurred lines like this are where things like grooming / confusion / inappropriate contact start.

Not worth the risk.

If nothing else he sounds intrusive, cocky and inappropriate. And cringe to be honest.

sammylady37 · 18/01/2021 19:10

You keep saying you’re clued in to signs of grooming, but actually, you’re spectacularly not. And even when it’s pointed out to you here, you’re minimising and rationalising the hugely inappropriate behaviour.

If this guy was a colleague of mine, I’d be reporting him to his professional body.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 18/01/2021 19:29

@sammylady37

You keep saying you’re clued in to signs of grooming, but actually, you’re spectacularly not. And even when it’s pointed out to you here, you’re minimising and rationalising the hugely inappropriate behaviour.

If this guy was a colleague of mine, I’d be reporting him to his professional body.

This. You've mentioned a number of things that are on grooming safeguarding checklists and essentially said "oh but he's not like that."

He's not good news. At best inappropriate, intrusive and unprofessional. At worst, grooming and / or trying to push your boundaries.

sammylady37 · 18/01/2021 19:57

@MuckyPlucky

Miramour- you’re right that if they had a relationship it could impact on the son, but also if they had a relationship he would be behaving outrageously if he also continued to be her son’s clinician & would probably be sacked.

You have to declare conflicts of interest. I once had to declare that a ward I was working on had admitted someone who’s son I used to go to school with 15 years ago. I’d never met her and hadn’t seen her son in 15 years, but I was still aware I could not treat her and she was assigned a different clinician.

It’s an aside, but I find your second paragraph extraordinary. You’re saying you couldn’t treat someone because you went to school with her son 15 years previously? What’s the conflict of interest there? You don’t say you were dating her son, just that you were in school with him. It’s bizarre to me that that tenuous connection would mean you as a HCP couldn’t treat her. I’m a hospital consultant and such a link wouldn’t preclude me from treating anyone.

(I’m not getting at you personally or saying I don’t believe you, I just think that the works has gone mad if a health professional can’t treat a family member of someone they used to know)

CostaDelCovid · 18/01/2021 20:24

Hang on - How old is your child?

If young, why did you allow your child to go off with essentially, not much more than a stranger?????