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Opinions please what is going on here?

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Confusedcrush · 18/01/2021 15:50

Long sorry. Have nc and changed some details in the hope of not outing myself. I have been on my own with DC for a long time, and frankly didn't have much relationship experience before that, so I feel pretty clueless and unsure.

DC has specialist physio, and I'm confused about what (if anything) is going on between me and the therapist. Sometimes I think he's just friendly and gregarious, sometimes I think there's more. Therapist comes to our house to work, sometimes he comes an hour early to 'catch up' with me, will ask about DCs exercises but also talk about general stuff. He is often very chatty/kind of flirty in texts, eg banter about coming in disguiseduring lockdown so he's not stopped by the police got a bit edgy. He works across a big area as it's a niche kind of physio, so is often driving distances and a few times we've talked on the phone while he's driving and he's been a bit open - eg talking about doing stupid things when you're a teen ended up with him telling me his eldest DC was conceived when he was a teen and only exists because he was hoping the girl in question would give him a lift to a club, and one thing led to another and there's a DC. I mean, that's a bit familiar, isn't it?

There have been other things, one time DC had a bit of a breakthrough in physio and the therapist took him for a burger as a reward - when they gotback DC said next time can we get KFC, and therapist said 'yes but we'll bring it back for other DC and mum, so we can all eat as a family'. Another time DC asked him to stay for dinner, and he rang me from the car to say he would have done if he didn't have another appointment later. He messaged on xmas day to thank me/DC for his very unexciting, box of Quality Street-type xmas present. But then he goes quiet, after that nothing for 2 weeks til he messaged to book the next session. I don't know what to think, we can message back and forth even quite late at night, then nothing.

I'm not 100% whether he's attached or not - though if I was his partner I don't think I'd be happy with him having bantery messages with single women into the evenings and on weekends. I know he's got several DC from more than one relationship, youngest are teen/20s at least, oldest nearer my age - he's 15 years older thanme. I think 2 DC live with him, but he never talks about a partner, he never says 'we' always 'I' - I'm going camping at the weekend, I'm getting takeaway can't be bothered to cook. He's got a flat in a part of the country he often works, and I know he stays there alone as he's left from here before for a few days there. But he's got dogs so there must be someone at home with them while he's away, could be the DC I guess. I've tried fishing for info, eg asking if lockdown messed up his xmas plans, he said it meant he wouldn't see eldest DC and extended family.

I'm fully aware that I'm starved of adult company, he's basically the only adult who's come in our house for months, and I had no male interest way before that, so I sometimes think it's that I'm just lonely and reading too much into it. But then I think he seems genuinely to want to see or message me. I'm so confused! Please MNers who have more experience than me, opinions on this?

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Sssloou · 18/01/2021 20:30

I can’t get past he took your child out alone.

He would not do this or be interacting with your child / family unit in this way if you had a partner.

He has targeted you as a single parent. He is in a position of power and trust. He is older than you and has access to your child.

He may not even have his own children. This might be a smoke screen to make you think he is a regular guy.

Keep all these texts and report him

CostaDelCovid · 18/01/2021 20:36

OP there is NO professional person who's job is to be in a vehicle alone with a child. Yes Therapists are alone with children but not in a building alone with them or in a vehicle.

You really are NOT alive to grooming tactics. You're minimising and refusing to accept the staggeringly naive safeguarding issues JUST because he was arranged by Social Services?

There are social workers who are paedophiles. Along with Teachers, Carers, Vicars & Priests, Police Officers and within most other industries. They're not all layabouts or sleazy retired divorcees!

I wouldn't let ANYONE besides my nearest & dearest to take my child anywhere.

My Dad used to be a taxi driver - Fully DBS checked and whenever he did a school pick up for children he HAD to have a third party 'Escort' (I know!) in the vehicle

Miramour · 18/01/2021 20:39

@HollowTalk

Just re-read - he took your DC out on their own? Are you insane? Why would you allow that to happen? He is grooming you all.
No need to be rude. OP is asking for support. For you to suggest she is insane is extremely harsh. And it is also very passé to use mental illness as a put down.
cordelia16 · 18/01/2021 20:48
EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide · 18/01/2021 20:50

I would sort a new physio, he's well out of order. As soon as he realised he liked you (if he does) he should have stepped back professionally.

Confusedcrush · 18/01/2021 21:03

I know the stuff re being alone with DC sounds bad, reading back I'd be seeing red flags too. I have vagued some stuff and changed some stuff, because to be clear about the kind of professional and kind of work it is would be outing, it is that niche. He is overseen by a social worker who has known me and DC for years, he does this kind of work with other DC, there are review meetings and reports etc, the sessions and what they consist of are openly discussed and agreed, there's no instance where any aspect of the work with DC has been glossed over or misrepresented either in meetings or written reports, to me or other professionals. I'm sorry for alarming anyone, it genuinely isn't how I've put it across, in trying to make it less specific I've made things sound dodgy that aren't (not saying his behaviour to me hasn't been dodgy, but to DC no).The going for food thing was a one off, they'd been doing stuff in the local park (in full view of me and many other school mums and DC), usually this kind of work would happen in school but school wont allow external people in since March so it has been happening at home or now and then the park. Please believe me I hear what you're saying, but I've made it sound bad where it isn't.

In terms of his interactions with me, posters are spot on that he wouldn't be like this if I had a partner, so that needs to stop it is unprofessional. Also some descriptions of how he comes across have been what I needed to hear - when I met him I thought he was pretty full of himself and a bit of a nob, from what I've said here others have seen that too. He's stoking his ego flirting with a sad single mum, isn't he? Whether or not he's in a relationship, he's not consistent, has had DC he doesn't live with, and is having chatty texts with a client's mum. These are not signs of a great guy, even I can recognise that (once its pointed out to me on MN!). Also PP are right DC would be hurt if anything happened and then went badly, and I wouldn't pursue anything which would mean DC having to start again with another professional when this work is having some results for him, he's the priority. Thank you to all who posted, I am taking in what you've said and is really helping me see the wood for the trees.

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EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide · 18/01/2021 21:04

You can honestly do better op, be kind to yourself Flowers

MarmiteWine · 18/01/2021 21:13

Another one who thinks you need a new physio. If that truly isn't possible, because of lack of practitioners in the niche area, then you need to establish some boundaries immediately.

The behaviour you're describing could be harmful to your son even in the absence of any escalation to physical or sexual abuse. You all need to be reminded that he isn't a family member, or even a friend, but is a professional who is paid to provide a service. With that profession come responsibilities to follow a particular code of practice.

I'd also recommend discussing his behaviour with your social worker. It may be indicative of a pattern of behaviour with other clients.

Angeldust2810 · 18/01/2021 21:22

He’s not asking you out therefore he’s just not that into you.

But you sound like your ready to meet someone so I would suggest gradually pulling back to a professional relationship with this guy and put your energies into finding someone available, wonderful and therefore deserves you!

Krazynights34 · 18/01/2021 21:38

Jesus Christ
Health care professionals are not supposed to try it on with clients.
Some do (it happened to me and yes I’m smart and have done all the safeguarding training in the world in my previous job. I have a PhD, so does my husband). The consultant who did it to me was so blatant, so in everyone’s face that we all dismissed it.
He assaulted me when I was on my own. The one time I was alone.
He groomed us all.
He got away with it, though the report I made might turn up on his enhanced DBS check. Doesn’t mean his husband will know about it (yes, he’s that good at grooming!).
For your own sanity and your child’s and your well-being - get another physio. They all make you feel special. They all act like this is normal, nice behaviour.
It isn’t.
It’s creepy.
It could be your child he wants.
Get. Fucking. Rid.

Pesimistic · 18/01/2021 21:50

Sounds a bit 'groomy' to me.

Sssloou · 18/01/2021 21:51

I'd also recommend discussing his behaviour with your social worker. It may be indicative of a pattern of behaviour with other clients.

100%.

Just because he comes highly recommended / has a manager / review meetings etc - it doesn’t mean that taking your child off on his own and his texts etc to you are anything other than massive red flags at worst and highly manipulative and unethical at best. He knows this.

CostaDelCovid · 18/01/2021 21:54

@Confusedcrush Again, "OP there is NO professional person who's job is to be in a vehicle alone with a child"

Confusedcrush · 18/01/2021 21:57

I know you're right and it's what I needed to hear. He's not family, he's not a friend, this is his job and he should be acting like it. If he wants family dinners or trips to Burger King he can do it with his own many DC. I'm so glad I posted about this. The only reason I stopped thinking he was forward and too pleased with himself is because I'm lonely and miss interacting with other adults, he is/was the only adult I've had more than 5 minutes conversation with in person for months. Thank you sensible MNers, I needed this Flowers

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Sssloou · 18/01/2021 22:03

The only reason I stopped thinking he was forward and too pleased with himself is because I'm lonely and miss interacting with other adults, he is/was the only adult I've had more than 5 minutes conversation with in person for months.

Yes. And he knows this and has exploited this.

MarmiteWine · 18/01/2021 22:09

@Confusedcrush Flowers

Don't beat yourself up. He's chosen to behave in this way precisely because of your vulnerabilities. It's a sad fact of life that groomers groom the whole family, not just the child. Setting aside the burger trip or suggestion of a family dinner, if he had any ethics he wouldn't be contacting you outside of your son's appointments and certainly not late at night and discussing intimate details of previous relationships.

I'd be incredibly surprised if you're the first or only family he's targeted and strongly urge you to consider reporting him to his professional body.

Ilovedacake · 18/01/2021 22:19

It’s not true that there’s no professionals in the world that would need to see a child on their own. I’m a social worker and regularly see children on their own, take them out for food, etc. Lots of similar professionals do too, youth workers, etc, to build a bond with the child.
Just to clarify, the messaging about things other than the child is inappropriate and would be crossing boundaries though

Marley20 · 18/01/2021 22:24

If you were so clued up on grooming because of your 'training' you wouldn't be letting this man take your child out, what is wrong with you that you think this is ok?

UnshakenNeedsStirring · 18/01/2021 22:53

Are you for real? So many red flags here and you are oblivious. Fire him ffs

UnshakenNeedsStirring · 18/01/2021 22:53

@Marley20 spot on

B1rdflyinghigh · 18/01/2021 23:01

If he's a Physio, he has the HCPC code of conduct to abide by. He's definitely not abiding by it. He could be struck off for his behaviour.
He's far too familiar with you. It should be a professional arrangement and shouldn't be anything more. He could pursue you when he is no longer your son's Physio.

MarmiteWine · 18/01/2021 23:47

He could pursue you when he is no longer your son's Physio

@Confusedcrush please ignore this advice and do not pursue any kind of relationship or even friendship with this man even when he is no longer your son's therapist.

You're not living in a Rom-Com. If he had any legitimate interest in a genuine relationship with you he should have immediately stopped working with your son and let you find a new therapist.

Instead he's pushed boundary after boundary - meeting you outside the arranged appointment time, late night calls and texts, contact on Christmas day, talk of previous sexual experiences, flirty and 'edgy' texts.

He'll be relying on the fact that you don't want to disrupt your son's therapy.

I'm not blaming you, I honestly do think you've been groomed by him, but you need to see there should be no future with this man.

MuckyPlucky · 18/01/2021 23:54

Hang on. You stated he was your son’s physio at first, but go on to describe him as a ‘therapist’ helping your son with some sort of emotional issue from early childhood. Apologies if I’ve misunderstood but is this guy a physiotherapist (accredited by the HCPC) or a psychological/talking therapist (accredited by BACP or similar)? I find your posts very contradictory and a bit weird/contrary/confused to be honest.

MuckyPlucky · 18/01/2021 23:55

@sammylady37 I’m not sure why you’re so surprised. Do you work in psychiatry/psychology or are you a medical consultant? The key might be in the different fields we specialise in.

MuckyPlucky · 18/01/2021 23:59

Without wanting to put myself or the patient in question- my area was acute psychiatry. The patient was admitted as acutely psychotic. Many delusional beliefs about her family. Family very enmeshed in her care/difficulties. Totally inappropriate for me to work therapeutically/clinically with her in that context as was friends with her son.
People who are admitted under section have the right to not be treated by acquaintances as this can compromise their dignity and pose issues for recovery.
My ward manager ensured we all stuck to this commonly-held principle and my Professional Code of Ethics reflects this.