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Partner's intolerable behaviour

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RuthCM · 14/01/2021 16:12

My partner's behaviour is becoming more and more intolerable. In our long relationship, he has always had a quick temper, so I am not sure whether he is getting worse, or whether I am getting so worn down by it I can't take any more.
I have a catalogue of examples/memories, most of which are engrained in my head.
In the past I think I was persuaded (or bullied) by him into believing I had started the fire and had 'wound him up', but as time has gone on I have begun to realise that he winds himself up, usually in response to something quite innocent that I have said, or done. I can't understand why he acts this way.
I'll give you an example.
It was recently his sister's birthday, which I remembered the day before (yes, HIS SISTER, and yes I REMEMBERED). Fortunately I had a card, but it wouldn't have got there in time in the post, so I intended to take it to her the next day (or we would as a family, whatever was decided really). On the morning of her birthday, as I do normally, I sent a quick message to wish her a happy birthday. Later on in the afternoon, I reminded him that it was her birthday (my intention of starting the conversation was to discuss the fact I would like to take the card and get her some flowers, or the like). He asked me if I'd sent a message in the morning. I said I had and he asked if it was from us all. It wasn't exactly a message from us all as it was me just sending a quick comms in the morning (as I do to all my friends), as I intended to go later in the day to see her, so I truthfully said that it wasn't and started to begin to say that I had the card from us all and was going to get her some flowers or the like. He immediately started on me, saying things like now the family will think he doesn't care, how could I have done that, shouting at me, calling me names, telling me how bad I was to have done it that way, telling me how bad I am (when he gets like this he invariably brings up other irrelevant stuff I do that annoys him), saying she never does anything for him, so why should we go out of our way, and that we don't have time anyway. He wouldn't let me explain why the message wasn't badged from us all (the later card would be). In exasperation, I eventually said that if he didn't like the way I had done the morning message he could always send one himself (it is important that I tell you that I didn't say it aggressively, just as if it was a passing comment). Well, that aggravated him furthermore and gave him more ammo to throw at me. He ranted that he had 'been out all day and his phone had run out of charge and' you know that' (he was out for pleasure and had been back in the house sometime and continued doing things at home for pleasure, and was charging his phone, so could actually have sent a message himself, but that wasn't my point - and I didn't expect him to send his own message - I was exasperated and offended by his behaviour towards me, after having done something with absolutely good intentions).
So this is the type of thing that winds him up. I believe I did nothing wrong and had honerable intentions. On a few occasions since this incident, I have approached him calmly to try and explain how this behaviour makes me feel, but it only lights his touch paper again and things escalate to intolerable levels. This particular 'row' went on for days. He says he has reviewed the incident and believes he was right and I was in the wrong. I have explained that the specific incident is sort of irrelevant now and that I need to help him to understand how this sort of behaviour is destroying me, but he seems to muddy the waters by referring back to it, or as he usually does, brings other things that he perceives I have done wrong (historically) into the conversation (like he is strengthening his argument/position). Sometimes, when I do something he perceives to be wrong, untimely, etc. he will rant at me for over an hour (including name calling and him jumping up and down biting his finger etc.) He also seems to expect me to say things in certain ways and for me to agree with him, even if I don't.
I have started to document when these things happen and it can sometimes be as often as a couple of times a week.
I have got to the stage that I am programmed to not say certain things to him to avoid this behaviour and when I explain to him that I feel I can't talk to him because he might blow up at me, he just says that's my problem.
The other thing to mention is he can get back to thinking everything is normal pretty quickly after one of these spats, but it kills me so much it can take me a long time to come round. This causes more trouble, as he the accuses me of being stoney faced and cold. As you can imagine, we don't have much of an intimate relationship, which he sometimes says is the reason for his outbursts. I understand that, but unfortunately don't have much respect or desire for him.
I feel very depressed, anxious and sad at times. We have a young daughter who is often a bystander to these outbursts and it kills me to know this is affecting her.
I know you will say that I need to leave and I realise eventually it might be my only option, but does anyone have any suggestions for helping me to help him to help us? I spend a lot of time reading up how I can help and I do wonder if he is depressed, or has some other form of mental illness.

OP posts:
RuthCM · 14/01/2021 21:26

Thanks all for your replies. I'll try and get to you all in turn. I just wanted to add, in case of misunderstanding. He expects me to do the card thing for his family; has said so. He wouldn't usually even remember, and they're my friends too.
I don't claim to be perfect and know there will be things I do that annoy him. That's a normal part of being in a relationship.
The scenario isn't so relevant. I have loads of examples. I just picked that one.
But thanks. I'll take your comments on board. I'm sure there are things I can do to improve. Everyone can.

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Justcashnosweets · 14/01/2021 21:29

He isn't mentally ill OP. Not in the slightest. He is an abusive cunt who is gaslighting you continually. He won't change, ever, well maybe only to ramp up his abuse towards you. You need to leave him. He doesn't care about you or your poor daughter.

Justcashnosweets · 14/01/2021 21:33

I'm sure there are things I can do to improve err what now? This very statement suggests you havn't taken any of the advice on here on board at all! Confused

Kanaloa · 14/01/2021 21:50

Your poor daughter must be having an awful time. I think watching abuse is a type of abuse in itself, like your husband is secondarily abusing her as well by exposing her to this type of atmosphere.

As for how to help him, you can only really help yourself here. Maybe if you left him you could suggest afterwards he seeks intensive therapy to try and get to the bottom of his issues. Then he could one day possibly be an acceptable co-parent to your daughter. I would also recommend therapy for yourself, maybe there are some underlying difficulties for you to think this is acceptable treatment to you and your daughter. I had therapy and it was wonderful for helping me understand me more than anything else.

Kanaloa · 14/01/2021 21:51

Also don’t understand why he expects you to sort cards for his family’s birthdays. Presumably he doesn’t do this for your family.

PyongyangKipperbang · 14/01/2021 21:52

Well yes, we can all self improve in some way, but it wont stop him being abusive.

In fact ime the more perfect you try to be, the more they abuse you because you highlight just how shit they are. They abuse because they know they are shit, because they know they dont deserve you, because they know that without fear you would leave. He needs to break you in order to feel any sense of meaning in himself.

You could be the most perfect person on the planet and he would still do this, do it more, and do it harder.

Soopermum1 · 14/01/2021 21:57

OP. His behaviour is not about you, it's about him. Please do not waste time on self reflection about what you've contributed to this and similar instances.

I've been there, very similar behaviour to what you described. It took me 3 years to leave, so I know how hard it is, and a bunch of strangers on the internet might not tip the balance for you, but please start thinking about what you can do when you're ready or when it has all become too much. I just had a moment where I just snapped, and from that moment on, I didn't waver, but it took a lot of thinking to get to that point. After that, I was on auto pilot, I had done all my soul searching and grieving and hoping he'd change. I was done, and could plough my energy and emotion into leaving and disentangling him from me.

This relationship is not healthy or happy and is unlikely to ever be. You should come to terms with that. It's really hard, I know Thanks

HeavenlyEyes · 14/01/2021 22:01

Women's Aid, The Freedom Programme and get the hell away from this abuser.

harknesswitch · 14/01/2021 22:02

I'm not sure what you can do to improve the situation, I don't see you being the issue here, your dh needs to change things. Ok, say you are annoying, does that give your dh the right to rant and rave? No! He could sit and talk to you, try and resolve the issue but he chooses not to.

I presume he doesn't behave like this at work?

What would happen if you suggested counselling? If he agreed, great, if not, what next? Again, I don't know what more you can do. If you 'do' then he picks apart what you've done - such as the card issue. If you'd not sent the text, he'd probably have kicked off because you didn't. If you'd said the text was from everyone he'd have probably kicked off because you didn't send a card, if you told him you were taking the card round he'd have kicked off because the card wasn't there first thing for her.... sometimes there is nothing you can do to improve a situation, in that case you either need to decide to live in that environment or not.

ChaToilLeam · 14/01/2021 22:02

@Guineapigbridge your advice is wrong and dangerous.

OP, this man will never change. It’s him, not you - but you need to protect yourself and your daughter from his bullying and any potential escalation.

Krankie · 14/01/2021 22:15

All those saying LTB, doesn’t this mean the child will then have to spend time with him alone, and he is free to lose his temper at her with nobody else there to step in? These responses are written as if you can leave your partner and never see him again. There is no solid proof of abuse or danger so he has every right to contact with his child once you break up.
Genuinely asking!

RuthCM · 14/01/2021 22:20

I am looking at all the advice individually. Only honed in on this first as I wanted to add detail as I felt I might have been misunderstood. I am not going to disregard the advice from others. Its all very welcome, sound and I am appreciative of it, and the time people have taken to provide it. Smile

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noirchatsdeux · 14/01/2021 22:36

My partner's mother sorts out all the Christmas presents, birthday cards, etc for both sides of the family. Our first Christmas together, my partner said something along the lines of 'I suppose you will be doing the same now'...I just laughed and asked him if his hands had fallen off.

No way on fucking earth would I expect any man to do it for me/my family. His family = his responsibility, and vice versa.

SaraJS216 · 14/01/2021 22:39

Do you know if he's ever been assessed for autism OP? The biting his finger when angry and his way of thinking (from the sound of your post) very much reminds me of traits I have seen in some of the autistic people I have worked with in the past.
However, conditions and mental health aside I think you know that the most beneficial and healthy thing for you and most importantly for your child would be to leave this man. Thanks

sadie9 · 14/01/2021 22:43

Why are you so very concerned with his affairs? You give him the illusion that he is the most important person in the house.
You are all about him. You live in his head instead of your own.
Part of you needs to control him, that's why when the dog bites you you keep going back. The dog starts biting more because it gets your attention.
This is part of the dynamic. He wants your attention. You can see the strategies he uses to hold it.
If you are putting your own needs aside for him, then you don't have to cope expressing your own emotions. That's useful for you.
Next time he starts kicking off or ranting, don't attempt to soothe, don't get caught up in the content. Currently he gets annoyed, you stand there and listen and become an object for him to rant and complain to. A bit like a spitoon for his bile. That's not 'relating'.
Later you keep running to him to check how much his feelings are hurt.
This is a learned pattern of responding, probably you saw your own mother take on this role.
Go to counselling for yourself. Relationships are 50% each person.
Don't go to joint counselling until you have done your own. Your goal is to discover your own needs, not work out how to 'improve' to pander even more to his needs.

VistaOfFreedom · 14/01/2021 22:52

He sounds horrendous, that's not normal behaviour. It doesn't sound like there's anything you can do to help him change, it'll just be a waste of your time Flowers

Isthisit22 · 14/01/2021 23:05

Please leave this bully. He is harming you and your daughter.

timeisnotaline · 14/01/2021 23:07

You have no idea how wrong this relationship is. Try and imagine behaving like him and how he would react. Imagine if you said ‘From now on I expect you to do a birthday card from all of us for each of my family to arrive on or before their birthday. I’m not discussing this anymore.’

Yes of course you can improve, everyone in the universe can improve, but that is totally irrelevant to your husband being a nasty abusive man who enjoys making you unhappy. There is nothing you can do to fix it and every time you try and mitigate his attitude by jumping to do what he wants or apologising when you’ve done nothing wrong or pretending things are fine when you’re miserable is a life lesson to your daughter that women expect to be miserable in relationships, teaching her this is the life she should expect.

Sunflower1970 · 15/01/2021 05:32

You’re being terrorized by this bully. He’s obviously gaslighting you and you’re still trying to help him? He can’t be helped, you need to confide in somebody and formulate a plan to leave. Your poor daughter needs protection and shouldn’t be living in fear. Please leave!!!

TallTowerFan · 15/01/2021 05:49

You're possibly not ready to 'hear' this yet , but you need to get yourself and your child as far away from him as possible. Then you need to be single for however long it takes to unravel why you put up with this nasty bully.

Get away. Stay away.

Whonew · 15/01/2021 10:48

@timeisnotaline

You have no idea how wrong this relationship is. Try and imagine behaving like him and how he would react. Imagine if you said ‘From now on I expect you to do a birthday card from all of us for each of my family to arrive on or before their birthday. I’m not discussing this anymore.’

Yes of course you can improve, everyone in the universe can improve, but that is totally irrelevant to your husband being a nasty abusive man who enjoys making you unhappy. There is nothing you can do to fix it and every time you try and mitigate his attitude by jumping to do what he wants or apologising when you’ve done nothing wrong or pretending things are fine when you’re miserable is a life lesson to your daughter that women expect to be miserable in relationships, teaching her this is the life she should expect.

This ☝️ op Honestly try and imagine yourself reacting to his behaviour in the exact same way as he reacts.

Imagine mirroring his actions back to him. Please give it a try inside your own head. You jumping up and down biting your finger etc because he didn't send a birthday text. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it??

But how could it be if your partner is doing it and showing your DC that example of a grown adult. He is OK with his behaviour isn't he? so he should be OK with your reaction being exactly the same too!!

But I guarantee he wouldn't be OK with you treating him the same way he treats you because his behaviour controls you he doesn't want to be the one controlled

billy1966 · 15/01/2021 11:08

He's a headcase.
End of.

Your poor little daughter growing up amongst such anger and toxicity.

Her father abusive.
Her mother a shadow of herself, anxious and depressed.

Think of that poor child.

Contact Women's Aid.

Reach out for support.
You are mobile with one child.

Get away from this horror of a man that terrorises your home and child.

Flowers
Krankie · 15/01/2021 12:40

Again, so many saying “get away from this man”, “he’s a head case” etc. You can’t stop a father having access to their child because you don’t like their moodswings.
The child would need to be left alone with this man if they break up, during visitation. Is that a better situation?
People simplify these situations way too much. “Get up and leave/get far away from him” isn’t realistic advice. The guy needs help to address his issues first so that you can be reassured your child won’t be subjected to his anger when alone in his care. This might be easier to navigate or insist upon if you are still a couple.

tenlittlecygnets · 15/01/2021 12:43

Jumping up and down biting his finger?!

He sounds awful and exhausting to live with. There's no reasoning with him, is there? He will never ever see he is wrong.

And your poor dd. She hasn't chosen to live this way.

tenlittlecygnets · 15/01/2021 12:44

And please don't have joint counselling. It's not recommended for abusive relationships.