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Partner's intolerable behaviour

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RuthCM · 14/01/2021 16:12

My partner's behaviour is becoming more and more intolerable. In our long relationship, he has always had a quick temper, so I am not sure whether he is getting worse, or whether I am getting so worn down by it I can't take any more.
I have a catalogue of examples/memories, most of which are engrained in my head.
In the past I think I was persuaded (or bullied) by him into believing I had started the fire and had 'wound him up', but as time has gone on I have begun to realise that he winds himself up, usually in response to something quite innocent that I have said, or done. I can't understand why he acts this way.
I'll give you an example.
It was recently his sister's birthday, which I remembered the day before (yes, HIS SISTER, and yes I REMEMBERED). Fortunately I had a card, but it wouldn't have got there in time in the post, so I intended to take it to her the next day (or we would as a family, whatever was decided really). On the morning of her birthday, as I do normally, I sent a quick message to wish her a happy birthday. Later on in the afternoon, I reminded him that it was her birthday (my intention of starting the conversation was to discuss the fact I would like to take the card and get her some flowers, or the like). He asked me if I'd sent a message in the morning. I said I had and he asked if it was from us all. It wasn't exactly a message from us all as it was me just sending a quick comms in the morning (as I do to all my friends), as I intended to go later in the day to see her, so I truthfully said that it wasn't and started to begin to say that I had the card from us all and was going to get her some flowers or the like. He immediately started on me, saying things like now the family will think he doesn't care, how could I have done that, shouting at me, calling me names, telling me how bad I was to have done it that way, telling me how bad I am (when he gets like this he invariably brings up other irrelevant stuff I do that annoys him), saying she never does anything for him, so why should we go out of our way, and that we don't have time anyway. He wouldn't let me explain why the message wasn't badged from us all (the later card would be). In exasperation, I eventually said that if he didn't like the way I had done the morning message he could always send one himself (it is important that I tell you that I didn't say it aggressively, just as if it was a passing comment). Well, that aggravated him furthermore and gave him more ammo to throw at me. He ranted that he had 'been out all day and his phone had run out of charge and' you know that' (he was out for pleasure and had been back in the house sometime and continued doing things at home for pleasure, and was charging his phone, so could actually have sent a message himself, but that wasn't my point - and I didn't expect him to send his own message - I was exasperated and offended by his behaviour towards me, after having done something with absolutely good intentions).
So this is the type of thing that winds him up. I believe I did nothing wrong and had honerable intentions. On a few occasions since this incident, I have approached him calmly to try and explain how this behaviour makes me feel, but it only lights his touch paper again and things escalate to intolerable levels. This particular 'row' went on for days. He says he has reviewed the incident and believes he was right and I was in the wrong. I have explained that the specific incident is sort of irrelevant now and that I need to help him to understand how this sort of behaviour is destroying me, but he seems to muddy the waters by referring back to it, or as he usually does, brings other things that he perceives I have done wrong (historically) into the conversation (like he is strengthening his argument/position). Sometimes, when I do something he perceives to be wrong, untimely, etc. he will rant at me for over an hour (including name calling and him jumping up and down biting his finger etc.) He also seems to expect me to say things in certain ways and for me to agree with him, even if I don't.
I have started to document when these things happen and it can sometimes be as often as a couple of times a week.
I have got to the stage that I am programmed to not say certain things to him to avoid this behaviour and when I explain to him that I feel I can't talk to him because he might blow up at me, he just says that's my problem.
The other thing to mention is he can get back to thinking everything is normal pretty quickly after one of these spats, but it kills me so much it can take me a long time to come round. This causes more trouble, as he the accuses me of being stoney faced and cold. As you can imagine, we don't have much of an intimate relationship, which he sometimes says is the reason for his outbursts. I understand that, but unfortunately don't have much respect or desire for him.
I feel very depressed, anxious and sad at times. We have a young daughter who is often a bystander to these outbursts and it kills me to know this is affecting her.
I know you will say that I need to leave and I realise eventually it might be my only option, but does anyone have any suggestions for helping me to help him to help us? I spend a lot of time reading up how I can help and I do wonder if he is depressed, or has some other form of mental illness.

OP posts:
seriousandloyal · 14/01/2021 17:22

What a nasty bully he sounds from your description. I would not stay with someone who behaved like that, it sounds exhausting and no fun.

BadBear · 14/01/2021 17:28

Also, please speak to an organisation helping women with abusive partners. Just call the helpline, some don't require any personal details and just share what you're going through.

Years and years ago I was trapped in an emotionally and physically abusive behaviour. It was only when I started speaking to professionals that I understood why I had to leave.

Aquamarine1029 · 14/01/2021 17:33

Your daughter is growing up in an abusive, dysfunctional, scary environment, and you're allowing it. You've known you need to leave for a long time, so why are you still there? Your poor daughter. This is going to shape the rest of her life.

caringcarer · 14/01/2021 18:07

Why are you still with this bully? Surely.you would.be happier without him. Bin him off.

glassacorn · 14/01/2021 18:07

He sounds frightening - and I'm an adult.

Leave him - if not for yourself, but your daughter.

PyongyangKipperbang · 14/01/2021 18:14

You cant help him, he doesnt want to be helped because he doesnt have a reason to change.

Right now he gets to call the shots and has to take absolutely no personal responsibility if things dont go how he thinks they should.

Trust me, I spent 12 years with a man like this and NOTHING works.

Imagine if I asked you to change your eye colour. All you would be able to do would be to wear coloured lenses, you would appear to have different coloured eyes, but it would be superficial, fake. As soon as the lenses come out you would be back to your original colour. This is him. Any time he is not being aggressive or angry or gaslighting he is wearing the lenses. But he cant wear them all the time, eventually the real him appears and that is the one who shouts and blames and bullies.

It comes down to one simple choice......Are you going to accept that this is the rest of your life with all the effects that it will have on your childs confidence and mental health? Or not?

Nicolastuffedone · 14/01/2021 18:30

Why are you inflicting this person on your child?

AmberItsACertainty · 14/01/2021 18:46

You can't "help him, to help us". It doesn't work like that. You can only control your behaviour, not his. He sees nothing wrong in his behaviour. That being the case, he has no desire or willingness to change it. It's not something you can get past.

No amount of reasoning will make him 'see the light'. You have a fundamental difference of opinion, he thinks his behaviour is acceptable and you don't. If you don't fundamentally have the same values as your partner, then you have no foundation to build a relationship on.

Sorry OP, but yes, LTB. Your relationship is dead. He's an abusive arsehole and you're emotionally crushed. Your DC is being harmed by witnessing this behaviour (yours and his), the pair of you are teaching her that this is a normal and acceptable part of relationships. It isn't, although it's a lot more common than it should be.

CrazyToast · 14/01/2021 19:06

Something was stuck me in your post was how you said things like 'I didn't say it aggressively' 'I didn't expect him to send his own message'. It's like you were defending yourself to us, but all I was thinking was 'I would've said it aggressively' and 'why the feck shouldn't he send his own message'.

He has obviously battered your self esteem and perception of what is normal and reasonable. He is not being normal and reasonable. He is being an abuser and he is doing it indirectly to your child too.

Chloemol · 14/01/2021 19:13

There is no help you can provide as he has made it clear he is not going to listen to you

You already know your daughter must be affected by what she is seeing. Please put her first and leave this toxic relationship

Rockinmomma · 14/01/2021 19:13

Your partner sounds like an abusive narcissist OP and really.... there is nothing you can say or do to placate or help him. Anything you say or do will just enrage him and he could at any point get physical
I think you need to get real life support and plan to leave him. Make that first call to women’s aid, do some research... you’ll see that everything pp have said is true
Imagine a future just you and your DD, no walking on eggshells, double guessing yourself.... that is completely possible

letsdolunch321 · 14/01/2021 19:20

Why are you allowing yourself and your dd to put up with this outrageous behaviour.

@RuthCM what part of this behaviour do you think is normal ?!?!?

Leave as soon as possible

Krazynights34 · 14/01/2021 19:36

OP. I think you need to realise that your daughter could have lifelong problems because of this man.
He is abusing you and her.
Money is nothing when it comes to weighing up the effect of trauma on someone.
I’d give everything I own to not live with DV.

CoolCovidCat · 14/01/2021 19:47

He sounds like he has a personality disorder.

RenMcCormackisafox · 14/01/2021 19:51

@RuthCM you could have written this about my ex husband. I’m almost 100% sure he had borderline personality disorder. Shit me it was absolutely horrendous living with him, all I can say is that this behaviour tends to escalate and I really hope what happened to me when it did doesn’t happen to you, especially as you have a daughter.
Your child needs you to remove her from this man.

Cherrysoup · 14/01/2021 19:57

What do you want us to say, OP? None of us are going to say ‘Yeah, he’ll change (he won’t) and everything will be fine (it won’t)’. Only you can change this for your dd’s sake and I think you know you need to.

It isn’t a failure to get out of this relationship, it would be a major victory for you, your future and that of your dd to be rid of him.

ThreeImaginaryBoys · 14/01/2021 20:03

He jumps up and down biting his finger?
He is a literal manchild.

And a dangerous, bullying one at that.

Get the hell away from him, for your sake and your daughter's.

StrippedFridge · 14/01/2021 20:08

suggestions for helping me to help him to help us
Attempting to change someone else's personality to save your child from harm is not a good strategy.

Plan your exit. You know you have to. Do you know yet how you would go about separating?

OldEvilOwl · 14/01/2021 20:10

Just leave. You deserve so much better than this

Guineapigbridge · 14/01/2021 20:20

Ummmm I'm not with the LTB commenters sorry. There's a child involved and you owe it to your kid to work on yourself as much as blaming him for all of it is tempting and ego-affirming. In my view (and I am only going on what you wrote) this could possibly be resolved by changing your communication style and picking your battles? Why do you actually care about his sister's birthday? It's not your circus or your monkeys? Why are you trying to involve yourself in 'helping' him? He sounds like he's getting hen pecked a bit? Maybe just step back and focus on your interests and preferences only, and leave him to his? He shouldn't be so grumpy but you do sound a bit annoying (sorry, I mean that kindly)... Annoying in the sense of being all up in his shit. Most people kind of want to be left alone to process their mistakes when things go wrong and rewarded with praise when things go right. It's not for you to carry the entire emotional load associated with his life. It's HIS life!

This isn't the central theme of your post but I think that men do get more grumpy when they don't get enough sex... In my experience anyway.

3rdNamechange · 14/01/2021 20:31

@Guineapigbridge

Ummmm I'm not with the LTB commenters sorry. There's a child involved and you owe it to your kid to work on yourself as much as blaming him for all of it is tempting and ego-affirming. In my view (and I am only going on what you wrote) this could possibly be resolved by changing your communication style and picking your battles? Why do you actually care about his sister's birthday? It's not your circus or your monkeys? Why are you trying to involve yourself in 'helping' him? He sounds like he's getting hen pecked a bit? Maybe just step back and focus on your interests and preferences only, and leave him to his? He shouldn't be so grumpy but you do sound a bit annoying (sorry, I mean that kindly)... Annoying in the sense of being all up in his shit. Most people kind of want to be left alone to process their mistakes when things go wrong and rewarded with praise when things go right. It's not for you to carry the entire emotional load associated with his life. It's HIS life!

This isn't the central theme of your post but I think that men do get more grumpy when they don't get enough sex... In my experience anyway.

What ?? Have you commented on the right post. Bloody hell.
Aimee1987 · 14/01/2021 20:44

@Guineapigbridge

Ummmm I'm not with the LTB commenters sorry. There's a child involved and you owe it to your kid to work on yourself as much as blaming him for all of it is tempting and ego-affirming. In my view (and I am only going on what you wrote) this could possibly be resolved by changing your communication style and picking your battles? Why do you actually care about his sister's birthday? It's not your circus or your monkeys? Why are you trying to involve yourself in 'helping' him? He sounds like he's getting hen pecked a bit? Maybe just step back and focus on your interests and preferences only, and leave him to his? He shouldn't be so grumpy but you do sound a bit annoying (sorry, I mean that kindly)... Annoying in the sense of being all up in his shit. Most people kind of want to be left alone to process their mistakes when things go wrong and rewarded with praise when things go right. It's not for you to carry the entire emotional load associated with his life. It's HIS life!

This isn't the central theme of your post but I think that men do get more grumpy when they don't get enough sex... In my experience anyway.

Wow just wow. Should we all be sex bots to our DP/DH dont get grumpy ( abusive as fuck) ?

Someone like this will find a reason to be an abusive prick. The OP wishing a family member happy birthday is not the issue.

Geppili · 14/01/2021 21:00

He's an abusive man child.

Hilarias · 14/01/2021 21:13

You could be describing my stepdad here and my childhood. He would get hysterical at the slightest thing, rant and rave and storm about the house. Then he was all sweetness and light like it had never happened. We spent our time tiptoeing around him until my teenage years when I started to shout back, mainly to protect my mum. He finally stopped when my mum had a health scare, realised that life was too short and told him she’d leave him if he continued behaving like that. She really meant it and he knew it. The bastard never did it again! (We actually have a fairly decent relationship now, and he’s a wonderful grandfather. I think he was in a deeply unhappy place back then, not that it’s any excuse - previous poster would say my mum just wasn’t putting out enough 🙄).

In other words, I believe your husband has full control of his actions, is choosing to behave the way he does, and it is really awful for your daughter to be exposed to this and also to you mollifying him all the time. I am still extremely conflict avoidant, to the point of IBS and inability to speak up for myself at work etc and I do blame my stepfather for this.

(There’s a thread in AIBU where the poster’s stepson banged his head and yelled loudly at the stepmum, wrongly blaming her. Stepmum wants an apology but most posters are defending the stepson - he’s just a child, can’t control himself, he hurt his head, maybe you were to blame). The boy is 10 and should be old enough to control himself or at least apologise if he doesn’t, in my opinion. I think this is where it all starts with men like this.)

Rockinmomma · 14/01/2021 21:15

@Guineapigbridge you have warped view of relationships!
‘Pick your battles’ relationships, communication should never be a battle
Of course she should care about her SIL birthday, they are family! Where is he getting hen pecked? By OP casually mentioning she’d sent a msg and would like to drop of a card and present??
And I’ve got no idea what the fuck you mean by ‘all up in his shit’ is that gangster talk for having an adult conversation?
Women are not here to praise men nor to be sex slaves!