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Do mothers really have a protective instinct or is that idealistic?

92 replies

RedElle · 06/01/2021 19:56

Most mothers would say they would jump in front of a bullet for their children and we are always taught parents have a strong protective instinct. How true is this? How does it work?

One memory has stayed with me since I was 9.

My mother has a real fear birds, a proper phobia. When I was 9 I was walking with her side by side down country path, my older brother and sister a little way behind us. A swan crossed onto our path ahead of us and started hissing, this is where my mother, screaming in panic runs to jump over a shallow 'ditch' onto another path away from the Swan without me. My older brother and sister further back did the same and joined her and I just remember being so terrified from seeing how scared my mum was that I ended up just freezing and crying and panicking where I stood.

My mum would not come and get me, she just stood there shouting making me more scared until I eventually moved and joined them.

This left me with a long standing feeling of abandonment and lack of care or protection from her. I think sometimes maybe I am too harsh to judge her for that. I've been thinking about this incident a lot lately.

A swan can still do some real damage anyway but her bird phobia would have perceived it as a real serious danger, so I imagine if it was a man with a gun or something that would have been her instinctual reaction.

So what is a mother's protective instincts? Is there real psychology behind it? Would any other mother have gone back to grab their child? Or is it all a myth and I've been looking through rose tinted glasses at how I'd expect people to act?


**TL/DR - my birdphobic mother once ran away from an aggressive swan leaving me alone at 9 in its path petrified, would the normal reaction of a mother be to protect or is this actually normal

OP posts:
MotherOfDragons85 · 06/01/2021 21:49

I have a phobia of wasps, when my kids were little if we were out in the park and one came near us I would RUN, I’m ashamed to admit, I can’t explain it, I felt my instincts for them there but the feeling of utter dread that you get when you have a phobia is something unexplainable that does override all normal feelings. That said a wasp was harassing me near a road once but I overcame my fear to move my kids to safety? So maybe she perceived you to be safe where you were in that moment?

BrianOfHull · 06/01/2021 21:50

This thread made me think of a recent news story I read where parents jumped out of their burning house but the children died in their beds.

I can’t understand it, although I realise I have never been in this position and hope to never be. One parent leaving to get help maybe? But I can’t understand both.

I would die in their with them before I left them in a burning building.

BrianOfHull · 06/01/2021 21:50

In their beds*

AIMD · 06/01/2021 21:51

I agree with what most others have said. Most people have an instinct to protect their children but I also think most people have an instinct to protect themselves too. A true phobia, like your mums, probably pushes people into survival mode though.

I think in some situations parents instinct to survive or protect themselves might override their instinct to protect their child. I’m thinking of like if you were drowning your instinct to get air would be so strong it might overtake your instinct to save your child (if that makes sense).

“This left me with a long standing feeling of abandonment and lack of care or protection from her. I think sometimes maybe I am too harsh to judge her for that. I've been thinking about this incident a lot lately.”

Was that the only incident from childhood that makes you feel like that? I just ask because your feeling towards the event seems quite intense if it was a one off and she otherwise gave you good care. Though I suppose these incident in childhood can have a big lasting impact I suppose.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 06/01/2021 21:52

I am the clumsiest, least coordinated person in the world and I've caught DS as he was falling, once by his waistband, once by his shoulder strap, and really didn't even know I was doing it until I did it. There is an instinct that kicks in, parents go without food to feed their children all the time.

Phobias are weird things though. If this is the only thing that has made you feel that way I think you should let it go. After all, YOU weren't in any danger from the swan.

Changemaname1 · 06/01/2021 21:55

Yes I definitely feel that I do . we were at a friends firework display once and one tipped Up and started shooting fireworks right over to us , I got hit in the arm and side while Using myself as a shield to get ds out the way . The danger to myself didn’t even cross my mind .

HopeYourHighHorseBucks · 06/01/2021 21:57

I would say yes mothers do have a protective instinct. In your situation I would imagine that the immediate running off was out of her control, then once she was across the road looking at you, the fear was too much. It is incredibly hard to overcome that fight of flight mode.

Obviously you get selfish mothers out there, but if your mum was an otherwise loving, caring parent and it was just this one instance I would put it down to her phobia and not lack of love.

olderthanyouthink · 06/01/2021 22:05

We've both caught DD so many times through instinct rather than skill, catching her by clothes before she falls of the sofa and catching her head just before it hit the floor.

I'd had wasps and hornets get into the room with me and DD and thankful I can calmly deal with that either removing us (and letting DP crack on) or covering DD (she was small) with a blanket and shooing the dawn thing. I'm not so cool about spiders.

WunWun · 06/01/2021 22:06

@turnthebiglightoff

Swans can break your arm. I've been there when someone had their arm broken. But as a PP said, a phobia is a phobia, there's no rhyme or reason to it.
No, you haven't. What nonsense!
Mammyofasuperbaby · 06/01/2021 22:14

They are called phobias for a reason, they are involuntary and irrational so I'd cut your mam some slack for that incident.
Saying that I do think the maternal protection instinct is a strong one. I once went toe to toe with a drunk man who was high as a kite and very aggressive when he grabbed the front of my 3 month olds travel system. He was 5'10 is and I'm 4'11 but I made him back away in fear. This all happened because he wanted to know my name and I wouldn't tell him

Justyouwaitandseeagain · 06/01/2021 22:23

I was chased by a fierce dog as a child. My dad flew across the park to get in between us. This led to a huge fear/phobia of any off lead dogs throughout my life. I would hide behind my husband. Since having my own children I have noticed a total change. I now feel no ‘fear’ but I get a kind of heightened sense of alertness whenever a dog is nearby and will instantly but calmly move between my children and the animal. Even if my husband is with us, I still instinctively seem to feel it is my job to protect the children.
Like others have said though, it is hard to compare individual reactions and experiences.

CovidCarol · 06/01/2021 22:29

@BrianOfHull

This thread made me think of a recent news story I read where parents jumped out of their burning house but the children died in their beds.

I can’t understand it, although I realise I have never been in this position and hope to never be. One parent leaving to get help maybe? But I can’t understand both.

I would die in their with them before I left them in a burning building.

Agreed, I always say you would die trying to get them out. The only exception being if you had another child safe outside that would then lose their mother. But even then you would do all you possibly could.
FTEngineerM · 06/01/2021 22:32

Not had my experience of this yet but any bugs which I’d usually run away from I man handle away from my son with ease.

If it were just me and dp it would be dps jobSmile

Disorganisedfish · 06/01/2021 22:32

I am terrified of snakes and have that fight or flight response if I see one by accident - but I still encouraged Ds to hold one at a reptile exhibit thing at the zoo, because whilst I am afraid, I know rationally that they pose no real threat and it’s better that he isn’t afraid.

I have done the instinctive falling thing too where I sort of twisted and held Ds above me, but then there was once when he was a toddler and I instinctively ran away from some pigeons leaving him (delighted) in the middle of them.

Parenting is tough - if this is the only incident I say you need to maybe have some counselling to get over it (or accept it) As a mum I don’t always make the right decisions, but I adore my child and can hand on heart say I would die for him. It’s not black and white!

AIMD · 06/01/2021 22:37

@BrianOfHull

This thread made me think of a recent news story I read where parents jumped out of their burning house but the children died in their beds.

I can’t understand it, although I realise I have never been in this position and hope to never be. One parent leaving to get help maybe? But I can’t understand both.

I would die in their with them before I left them in a burning building.

Maybe they were so overwhelmed by the fire/smoke/heat etc and fighting for breath their survival instinct managed to get them out. I honestly think that when it comes to basic survival issues (like fighting to breath) our bodies must in some ways prioritise fighting for its own survival. I almost drowned once and the panic was so absolute and intense I really acted on survival mode (which wasn’t helpful 😀) and don’t think I had any calm logical thoughts. It happened before I had kids but I don’t know if I’d have been able to think about saving anyone else had there been so one else near me.
goingtosnow · 06/01/2021 22:52

I don't agree with a lot of posters saying phobias 'don't count'
I have phobias, spiders and flying (rollercoasters too)
When I see a spider I really try very hard to stay calm for my kids sake and get rid of it quietly without them even noticing if possible. When DS was a baby I was scared that I could drop him if i saw a spider on me for example, Thankfully that didn't happen but i have had to work very hard to not freak out in some circumstances.
Same with flying , i feel sick physically before getting on the plane, i try very hard to make it fun for the kids and when they ask questions about the emergency stuff on the cards i so very lightly explain how it would work and how it's never really needed etc, whilst in my mind crashing is a 50/50 chance.
I'm not saying at all that I'm anything special , i don't think that OP's mum was right. The mum was terrified but so was her child!! And she left her behind!

OhDearMuriel · 06/01/2021 22:53

I've always been naturally very protective over my DS.

BUT I remember being on a fairground ride which was very high and fast and literally freezing with fear. My DS could have so easily slipped out of the seat being only 5 at the time, and I couldn't move because I was literally rigid with fear.

Luckily he was fine and wanted to go on it again.

It's a horrible feeling when you're utterly helpless and they're in a very dangerous situation.

SD1978 · 06/01/2021 23:02

I don't think it's fair to compare a phobia and mothers instinct- if such a thi g exists. Your mother was terrified- and at 9, you could follow simple instructions. I'm going to assume there is more history with your mum as to have one issue at that age only cause deep and ongoing psychological issues would seem unlikely.

HereIAmOnceAgain · 06/01/2021 23:31

I force myself through my anxiety every week to do the things my kids needs. My anxiety is really bad, even with medication, I will be shaking, feeling like I'm going to vomit, muscles clenched, my bowel tying itself in knots. I have forced myself through paralysing fear for them when their dad was screaming and kicking things. When we had a dog run at us barking aggressively I put myself between him and the kids. The owner did grab him but not before he'd jumped up on me and scratched my legs badly. I can't imagine a situation where I wouldn't do whatever it took to protect my kids.

I know my dad would take a bullet for me, and for my kids. My mum was a narcissist who abandoned us after my brother was born with a serious chronic illness and special needs. Some parents are capable of that kind of love and others aren't. It sounds like what happened traumatised you as a child, which is very understandable. After our mother's abandonment I feared my dad would leave too. It's not something you can rationalise as a child. As an adult, maybe with the help of a counsellor you could work through these feelings. I don't know your mum, none of us do, but if she was otherwise a kind, caring, loving mum I wouldn't conclude she lacked that instinct because she couldn't overcome her phobia. Phobias are not rational, they paralyse you.
But you don't know what she would have done if you'd been attacked by the Swan, her instincts may have overriden the paralysing fear age felt.

Harmarsuperstar · 06/01/2021 23:33

www.countrylife.co.uk/out-and-about/dogs/curious-questions-can-swan-really-break-arm-190943

According to this (amd the rest of the Internet) it's not true about swans being able to break arms.

ProfessorSillyStuff · 06/01/2021 23:38

Wow, I'm so sorry that happened. Your mum was terrible to do that.

A mother I knew chose her boyfriend over her daughter out of fear of being alone. (The boyfriend, a 60 year old man, had sexually assaulted the daughter, aged 13, in the family home when the mother went to bed early and after the daughter disclosed what happened the mother chose to date that man again and think her daughter was lying)

Do not make choices out of fear.

All I know is that in protecting my children failure is not an option and nothing will stop me.

Gingaaarghpussy · 06/01/2021 23:41

I am terrified of wasps, to the point that I stand still and shut my eyes until they go away. When I moved into my flat, 3 Queen wasps decided it was a good place to hibernate. My child's bedroom was that place. I removed my child and sprayed bug killer in the room until is was foggy, no wasp survived. I have also been known to use furniture polish.
I'm agoraphobic, but I make an effort to go out locally, with my child, they are a comfort. I dont want my child to have the same issues. If I didn't have my child I wouldn't go anywhere.
I have that instinct but its muted by my issues. I dont go anywhere I dont have to, but my child will ALWAYS be my priority.
In your situation I would have grabbed you and taken you with me.

AIMD · 06/01/2021 23:42

@ProfessorSillyStuff

Wow, I'm so sorry that happened. Your mum was terrible to do that.

A mother I knew chose her boyfriend over her daughter out of fear of being alone. (The boyfriend, a 60 year old man, had sexually assaulted the daughter, aged 13, in the family home when the mother went to bed early and after the daughter disclosed what happened the mother chose to date that man again and think her daughter was lying)

Do not make choices out of fear.

All I know is that in protecting my children failure is not an option and nothing will stop me.

Are you comparing that the the story where the ops mum hoped away from a swan quickly once when she was little?
ProfessorSillyStuff · 06/01/2021 23:45

Literally had a false widow on my bare foot the other day. Three year old nearby also bare skin and near black carpet. I calmly brushed it off my foot, told kids dad of the danger, we agreed he would hold toddler and watch spider while I fetch the hoover.

We are both petrified of spiders, my normal reaction would look to the untrained eye like a seizure the way I scream and flail!

No idea how I did that, honestly believe parental instincts really do exist, and yanbu at all. Choose to be your own protector and love yourself if you can because you do and did deserve more x

ProfessorSillyStuff · 06/01/2021 23:47

@AIMD no, just a situation that results in similar feelings I guess? My second post is more of a comparison including irrational phobia.