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Is this forgivable?

87 replies

shg23 · 23/12/2020 17:51

Hey everyone! Im hoping someone can help me with this. I've literally asked everyone I know but I feel that everyone is too emotionally involved to give me a good answer. Its a bit of a long one so bare with me.
My ex boyfriend and I met on the first day of university and were very on and off throughout the first year or so but officially got together last October. We had a great year, so many laughs and good times, went on holiday together, he spent christmas with my family etc. I was truly very happy with him. Around April this year, I brought up the fact that he hadn't told his family about me (his family is Muslim) after 1.5 years of knowing me. He was very defensive about this and never told them but I was so happy with him that I accepted it as something which would happen in the future.
In september, after spending an amazing summer together, I began my year abroad in Spain. Personally I wasn't worried about our relationship suffering as a result of this. BUT around a week into me being there he began to bring up things which had happened in the period when we weren't together (I slept with someone else, however we had not been together for 6 months and he took me back 4 months after). He would begin to say things like 'I don't know whether I can do it anymore' or 'its disgusting'. For the first few weeks I allowed it and accepted the blame, but I really was very upset that he was being like this so long after we'd been together.
I barely knew anyone in Spain and it was a really tough experience for me, especially because he was the one I usually went to for advice. After the first few weeks, it became a bit of a pattern. He would be ok with me all week with all the usual 'I love you's' etc but then on the weekend he would do it again. It began to get a bit more hurtful too. He called me a 'slag', he told me 'any girl could replace you', 'you tell me you love me too much', 'you cry too much', 'you carry yourself badly and give off a wrong impression' etc. The list could go on...
Around mid October he broke up with me all of a sudden and then wanted me back immediately. I didn't want to break up so I took him back. We were then fine for a week and he did it again. This time I told him I wanted space, which he wouldn't give me. He would shout down the phone and if im honest, I was completely done with the whole thing so I just told him, stick with your decision.
From this day onwards he began begging for me back. He blamed everything he had been saying and the way he was acting on something called ROCD (relationship OCD) and said he was in a really bad place mentally. Obviously I appreciate that but im not really sure how all of a sudden he realised these things. For all of November, he would tell me he loved me, wanted to marry me, im 'the one' etc. I never wanted to break up with him, so hearing all of these things really made me confused, as you can imagine...
Now im very unsure what to do. He has apologised for everything he said and said he never meant it and it was just because of his mindset. He has said he will give me space to think. He is a lovely guy normally and as I said, I was so happy with him. However, he still has only told his Mum about me and not his Dad. He can't confirm when he'll tell his dad or if they would approve of me.

Does anyone have any opinions of this or advice for whats best to do? I go back to Spain next week and I really am at a loss...

OP posts:
Haggertyjane · 24/12/2020 10:32

This is the road to nowhere. Get off and enjoy your life, not continue with this misery

GreenlandTheMovie · 24/12/2020 10:37

Oh fgs why are you ruining your time in Spain thinking about this idiot? His type have a girlfriend at uni whom they dump as soon as they graduate for a woman of the type their parents approve of. He's just practising for the day he dumps you for good.

You also sound like you're under his control. I dont normally advocate blocking, but in these circumstances, I'd tell him it's over, then completely cut off contact. Enjoy yourself in Spain meeting new people and saving yourself the heartbreak of being dumped for good on graduation.

And walk away the moment anyone calls you a slag or uses abusive language like he has done. He's a horrible man.

chilliplant634 · 24/12/2020 10:54

He is using you. He is leading a double life. He will never introduce you to his family and I seriously doubt he has any intention of being with you long term. This is a casual relationship for him. That's why when it gets too heavy he starts being nasty. He will most probably end the relationship as uni is ending and then get married to someone who ticks all the wife boxes culturally.

I'm muslim myself. I've seen plenty of muslim girls and guys do this at uni. You deserve so much better. Keep your self respect intact and move on.

Hugs xx

Eckhart · 24/12/2020 10:59

There's a red flag for you here, and it's in your behaviour towards yourself.

You are asking about whether his behaviour is forgivable or not because you think you're supposed to be responding to some imaginary rules about what is (un)acceptable in a relationship. You are looking for someone to tell you the rules so that you can make an informed decision about whether you need to accept him or not.

This flags up that you don't set your own boundaries. Nobody can decide for you whether something is acceptable to you or not. Some people stay in relationships worse than yours, some leave better ones. YOU are the one who makes the rules about whether you are able to forgive him.

He called me a 'slag', he told me 'any girl could replace you', 'you tell me you love me too much', 'you cry too much', 'you carry yourself badly and give off a wrong impression' etc

This is abusive, as are several other things you've mentioned. And you know that. And you know that he is making excuses for his behaviour, and that it's highly likely he'll do the same thing again. And again.

So the question is, do you want to forgive an abusive partner for abusing you, and allow them to continue abusing you? It's no more complicated than that. There is no set of rules about whether you would be right or wrong to leave him.

Rainbowshine · 24/12/2020 11:08

There is nothing in your description of his behaviour that I would attach the word “loving” to. All of it I would attach the word “abusive” to.

Do you think it’s right to forgive abuse?

If you hear about abusers on the news do you think you ought to forgive them?

Also with this behaviour he’ll expect you to also forget what he did, so you have to pretend it never happened, or if it did happen it was your fault (which it isn’t, to be clear). He won’t frame it as you forgiving him, more that you came to your senses that you will tolerate and expect this shit behaviour in the relationship from now on so he has license to do what the hell he wants with no consequences.

Is that right? If one of your friends came and described this to you about their boyfriend what advice would you give them?

Yas01 · 24/12/2020 11:13

You need to end this so called relationship immediately... He has no intention of marrying you and is 100% abusive (nothing to do with his religion). Where are his morals? Please end it and enjoy your new life. What is the rush to be in a relationship? You're young and you have a whole lifetime ahead of you of learning new things, establishing a career, allowing people with higher standards to be a part of your life, the list is endless. Just think about your future self, where do you want to be in 5-10years time? Advice from an older Muslim lady.

Pegsonstrings · 24/12/2020 11:38

Oh lovely you don't deserve this, surely you can see that, he is just hoping you don't see it as abuse because of the love bombing after the verbal tirade. Please go to Spain, enjoy it even if its hard but it will be far easier than staying with him, I can guarantee that. Stay safe away from him because if you do take him back, he will then escilate the abuse and it's never a nice thing to go through and before you know it you will be a shadow of yourself, taking blame for his behaviour, if you are not already as your post is very sad read indeed. You don't own him anything and no one on this planet is entitled to treat you like dirt.

randommum82 · 24/12/2020 11:39

Listen, I went to uni with guys like this. I'm from a muslim background too. Their behaviour was disgusting, quite a few of them dated non muslim girls just to have some fun, and ditched them when it came to long-term commitment they would let mummy and daddy fly in some poor girl from their home village. Total man-babies.

I know that's a generalisation, because a few of these guys really did stand by their girlfriends and went against their families to make happy lives with them. But they were the exception, and they most definitely did NOT talk to their gfs like this guy does.

Ditch and don't look back.

Choccorocco · 24/12/2020 12:24

Run! He sounds horrible, quite apart from any cultural and religious conflicts that might come out later on.

dudsville · 24/12/2020 12:28

This is an awful relationship OP, please listen to the advice on here and get yourself out of it.

RaRaRasputinHardBastardToKill · 24/12/2020 12:29

A relationship needs to be grounded in trust and respect, neither of which he has for you. He thinks he can pick you up and drop you as suits. You need to walk away and don’t look back. You deserve much better than this loser. Good luck!

LadyInParis · 24/12/2020 12:37

Yas01

You need to end this so called relationship immediately... He has no intention of marrying you and is 100% abusive (nothing to do with his religion). Where are his morals? Please end it and enjoy your new life. What is the rush to be in a relationship? You're young and you have a whole lifetime ahead of you of learning new things, establishing a career, allowing people with higher standards to be a part of your life, the list is endless. Just think about your future self, where do you want to be in 5-10years time? Advice from an older Muslim lady.

Best post in my opinion, because when it comes down to it, it’s nothing to do with culture, religion, parents, or anything else outside the relationship. And everything to do with the fact that you deserve better, that he is an abusive arse and this will scar you if you let it continue, and he doesn’t deserve you

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