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Is this forgivable?

87 replies

shg23 · 23/12/2020 17:51

Hey everyone! Im hoping someone can help me with this. I've literally asked everyone I know but I feel that everyone is too emotionally involved to give me a good answer. Its a bit of a long one so bare with me.
My ex boyfriend and I met on the first day of university and were very on and off throughout the first year or so but officially got together last October. We had a great year, so many laughs and good times, went on holiday together, he spent christmas with my family etc. I was truly very happy with him. Around April this year, I brought up the fact that he hadn't told his family about me (his family is Muslim) after 1.5 years of knowing me. He was very defensive about this and never told them but I was so happy with him that I accepted it as something which would happen in the future.
In september, after spending an amazing summer together, I began my year abroad in Spain. Personally I wasn't worried about our relationship suffering as a result of this. BUT around a week into me being there he began to bring up things which had happened in the period when we weren't together (I slept with someone else, however we had not been together for 6 months and he took me back 4 months after). He would begin to say things like 'I don't know whether I can do it anymore' or 'its disgusting'. For the first few weeks I allowed it and accepted the blame, but I really was very upset that he was being like this so long after we'd been together.
I barely knew anyone in Spain and it was a really tough experience for me, especially because he was the one I usually went to for advice. After the first few weeks, it became a bit of a pattern. He would be ok with me all week with all the usual 'I love you's' etc but then on the weekend he would do it again. It began to get a bit more hurtful too. He called me a 'slag', he told me 'any girl could replace you', 'you tell me you love me too much', 'you cry too much', 'you carry yourself badly and give off a wrong impression' etc. The list could go on...
Around mid October he broke up with me all of a sudden and then wanted me back immediately. I didn't want to break up so I took him back. We were then fine for a week and he did it again. This time I told him I wanted space, which he wouldn't give me. He would shout down the phone and if im honest, I was completely done with the whole thing so I just told him, stick with your decision.
From this day onwards he began begging for me back. He blamed everything he had been saying and the way he was acting on something called ROCD (relationship OCD) and said he was in a really bad place mentally. Obviously I appreciate that but im not really sure how all of a sudden he realised these things. For all of November, he would tell me he loved me, wanted to marry me, im 'the one' etc. I never wanted to break up with him, so hearing all of these things really made me confused, as you can imagine...
Now im very unsure what to do. He has apologised for everything he said and said he never meant it and it was just because of his mindset. He has said he will give me space to think. He is a lovely guy normally and as I said, I was so happy with him. However, he still has only told his Mum about me and not his Dad. He can't confirm when he'll tell his dad or if they would approve of me.

Does anyone have any opinions of this or advice for whats best to do? I go back to Spain next week and I really am at a loss...

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AlwaysCheddar · 23/12/2020 20:03

Get rid of him for ever - tell him hasta never!

Iflyaway · 23/12/2020 21:22

I concur with everyone here. He will never make you happy.

Also, there's a reason he hasn't told his parents about you. Once he does, you will be sucked into even more misery as you become embroiled in their disapproval.

Cut your losses. 2021 is knocking on the door. Onwards and upwards.
(Spain is fab!).

EarthSight · 23/12/2020 21:29

You cannot build a castle on unstable foundations. Also, the situation with his religion adds a whole additional layer of complexity to an already negative situation.

'ROCD'.....is that actually a 'thing'. Are you supposed to feel sorry for his 'condition' then?? Hmm Or is that just code word for - I'm an obsessive, unstable man who's really not good in relationships?

partyatthepalace · 23/12/2020 21:32

Emotionally abusive horror.

This man will only bring you bad things.

Shut the door firmly. And I would block him / take number off phone because abusing you has become a way for him to get off so he may not like it when you aren’t there to kick.

Very sorry you’ve had this OP.

Honeyroar · 23/12/2020 21:38

I studied languages. I spent 3 years living abroad. I wasted a lot of two of the years moping after boyfriends at home who were awful boyfriends anyway. Don’t do the same. This guy has treated you really badly. Stop it now. You’ve got your whole future and life ahead of you, don’t waste it on him.

And know that he will ramp up the declarations of love and devotion if you finish it. If he does tell him you want to meet his parents before you go back to Spain - he will wriggle out of it, I guarantee.

Rebelwithverysharpclaws · 23/12/2020 21:39

Hi OP.
I am an old, old woman and I am here to tell you he is a horrible and abusive person and he will not ever change - this is who he is - he is showing you now. Do your much older self a massive favour and get rid of this bad man. What kind of person calls his lover a slag? No, no and no. Really OP, he has to go, or you will let yourself in for years of
misery with this misogynist. You can choose to walk away and have a good life - stay with him and you are fucked.

Lindtnotlint · 23/12/2020 21:43

Walk away, dancing and singing. He is not nice. He will not make you happy. Leave him and don’t look back. I cannot make this point more strongly.

SimplyRadishing · 23/12/2020 21:46

@Bunchup

Go to Spain and have fun. Forget this loser.
This in spades.

He is not lovely.
Get on with enjoying your future (amazing) life

TeenageMutantNinjaCovid · 23/12/2020 21:47

Is he single? Or already married/engaged to someone else. That seems to be the main reason Muslim men dont tell their parents (in my experience)

ForeverInADay · 23/12/2020 21:48

He IS abusive.

You need to move on.

I speak from experience. Relationships should be happy and easy and make you happy. This is not that.

SandyY2K · 23/12/2020 22:16

Don't take him back. My previous relationship with a Muslim man may be clouding my judgment here, but him not being willing to tell his dad about you will be an issue if you want a future with him.

Depending on how much he practices his religion, he will have been raised a certain way and the Islamic religion may not be compatible with you...it wasn't with me.

I found the thinking that men were superior...having to convert if we married and other viewpoints annoyed me.

It's okay for him (men) to do certain things...but not you. Don't let yourself be looked down on and apart from religion...he comes across as an obsessive character, who could become stalkerish. His behaviour isn't normal...he's filed with jealousy and sounds possessive...these are not qualities you want in a BF.

Now you've ended it...he can't accept it...because " how dare you".

The easy response to avoid any further drama...is you don't want a relationship and wish him well for the future.

Livpool · 23/12/2020 22:17

He is vile. Run

yellowhighheels · 23/12/2020 22:28

Please end it with this man and don't look back.

Shinyletsbebadguys · 23/12/2020 22:44

I am twice your age and my DP is the love of my life. We've been together 5 for years, live together, raise DC together. We share everything.

If he called me a slag ,once ,just once ,he would be gone. No if's and's or but's. Absolutely no exaggeration ,his bags would be on the doorstep. You are worth so much more. This guy is at absolute best a whiny self involved twunt who thinks of himself beyond highly based on no redeeming features. At worst he is an abusive vile predator looking to grind you down.

No tiny moment of charm is in any way worth it. Don't walk , run. Run like hell.

Grimsknee · 23/12/2020 22:49

ROCD is made up, it doesn't exist. The way he's behaving abusive .

merryhouse · 23/12/2020 23:01

Do not ever go out with someone who won't tell his family about you

Do not ever go out with someone who calls anyone a slag

KatherineJaneway · 24/12/2020 05:35

No it isn't forgivable.

LadyInParis · 24/12/2020 06:04

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Please don't do it to yourself.

He meant those things he said about you being a slag etc, and he doesn't respect you. He'll likely keep going round in circles with you up until the point he marries a "nice Muslim girl" his family find for him and approve of.

Hmm

EvenMoreFuriousVexation

ROCD
Did he aye?

Dump and run, OP. At BEST he's repressed and deeply conflicted over family and cultural expectations versus his own needs and wants, and doesn't have the insight or courage to get therapy.

At worst he's just your bog standard abuser.

NAMALT - not all Muslims are like this.

Well put. I think both to be honest and neither are good. My fiancé comes from a Muslim background and although he doesn’t practise, his family does. There are some things we keep from them (ie fiancé enjoying a beer, that we live together) because culturally and religiously, it would upset them. It would not make them reject me however. It would upset them and I don’t care that they don’t know as they love me and I love them it’s just a different view of life and that’s fine. I love them and if I have to hide that we live together in order to not upset them that’s dandy by me. Same as him enjoying a beer in my opinion- it’s just something he doesn’t want to upset them over. But this man and his family aren’t doing it this way. They are being horribly ignorant (or he is and he is blaming his parents, the whole parents thing could well be bull shit added on to make you feel even more ‘less than’ or ‘not good enough’ etc) It’s ridiculous that you have to remain a secret and feel all the emotions that result from that- as I said above- feeling less than or not good enough, and kind of on egg shells as to whether he will be ‘forced’ by his parents to dump you and marry a Muslim girl, thus keeping you compliant (or more so than you usually would be to ‘keep him’). I think he may well have concocted the parents thing to create all this underlying stuff before he began his outright and obvious abuse. A way to sort of secretly kick you emotionally so that you feel emotionally weaker when he kicks you emotionally and not secretly, if that makes sense! Even if it’s true about his parents, do you want to be with an abuser with as EvenMoreFuriousVexation wonderfully explained: has cultural conflict- his parents and background religion etc vs own wants? That alone- if he is being honest (though he has already created a fake diagnosis to support his abuse of you so has form for fairy tales) is enough to make someone feel not good enough, insecure, small, and on egg shells.

It’s just not good all around. My experience is a happy one I don’t care about hiding some things as I know I won’t be dumped for it if it were to be found out and isn’t forever either- marriage being planned as we speak. So no egg shells or not feeling good enough or insecurity.

You deserve better. I could go on with this stuff but really, you know in your heart and your instincts that this is no good. Get rid and love yourself and you’ll meet someone new who treats you right. Hugs.

MRC20 · 24/12/2020 06:16

He's not lovely, he called you a slag. He has no respect for you and this will not get better. Respect yourself of he won't and move on. Next time he brings it up tell him whatever you did or didn't do when you weren't a couple is not his business and you won't discuss it further. You did nothing wrong! Do yourself a favour hon. He's acting like this because you're away and he's insecure/has no control over you. The cycle peaks over the weekend as he wants to make sure you're focused on him and not dating others. He's manipulating you hon.

LadyInParis · 24/12/2020 06:19

SandyY2K

Don't take him back. My previous relationship with a Muslim man may be clouding my judgment here, but him not being willing to tell his dad about you will be an issue if you want a future with him.

Depending on how much he practices his religion, he will have been raised a certain way and the Islamic religion may not be compatible with you...it wasn't with me.

I found the thinking that men were superior...having to convert if we married and other viewpoints annoyed me.

I’m sorry you went through this. In my experience it’s the very opposite, extremely matriarchal. But I have seen much of the Muslim misogyny too, and I agree with you. Even if it worked out and all was happy and no abuse etc from here on out (ie personality change!) SandyY2K is totally right- the religion this family practise will be a massive issue in the future. Massive. Do you really see a future when he can’t tell his own parents about someone he is apparently in love with? That’s your starting point! What is the middle and end? Refusal to ever meet you? Rejecting your children in future? What about marriage? How will you marry? And so on. Ugh just get rid men like this grind my gears and really piss me off they give a bad name to the beautiful hearted Muslim family I have come to cherish deeply (and their non practising son!)

Makingnumber2 · 24/12/2020 06:39

Abusive, misogynistic arsehole. LTB.

Whattheao · 24/12/2020 06:54

So many men to do, op. I wouldn't have tied myself to anyone at that age, let alone this abusive tosser.

Wanderlusto · 24/12/2020 08:15

Nope. Abuser. Run. Run fast, run far. Spain sounds excellent.

Calling you a slag is unforgivable. Calling you it for doing something perfectly unacceptable when you weren't even with him is unhinged.

End it and run and seriously, block all contact.
He is vile.

Wanderlusto · 24/12/2020 08:16

*perfectly acceptable

lemonsquashie · 24/12/2020 10:30

He's messed up and if sounds too complicated

You're young. You'll find somebody else.
Somebody with values to match yours and when you do, you will appreciate it more having suffered this prat