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Is this typical for abuse/toxicity

74 replies

Clementinesunshine · 24/10/2020 07:54

Hi everyone

Me and my partner have had a rocky relationship since the start. Only 2 years together. I may have had bad gut feelings from early on, but can never tell with them and also may just not have been ready for a new relationship.

At the beginning arguments were clearly down to him. E.g. flipping at something really small, unable to handle the smallest of criticism and feedback. There were always periods of silence/not seeing each other afterwards (I have not experienced that before). I didn't mind as I got some space. Sometimes he apologised and did seem remorseful, tried to get back in touch first. He made me cry a lot in arguments from the start and just left me alone to be upset. These arguments were literally from within the first few months.

But in the last year or so every single argument has been turned onto me. Yes maybe he made a joke or something I didn't like so I said something, but he goes off on one. He just rages so easily. He works himself up. Then I get worked up (usually just really upset and teary)

I can be extremely emotional when driven there during arguments, it is quite possible I have a mental issue so I am going through diagnosis. Yet it feels like I am only driven there because of how much he rages. How he sometimes says nasty things during arguments. He has told me I am being manipulative when I am in floods of tears. He has sat coldly, or even laughed. It feels like if I do get any sort of diagnosis, his behaviour won't change during future arguments, it won't make him any more understanding during them or less likely to be nasty/rage, and indeed everything will be put down to me being "mentally ill". Nothing to do with his own anger issues and the way he acts in arguments. And at least I will be getting therapy to help me get better if I am indeed ill. What will he be doing for his own anger and nastiness?

I mean of course I can be not great in arguments either, sometimes cruel. I have deteriorated more in recent arguments myself.

But this seems so beyond anything I have experienced despite having other toxic relationships many many years ago (and a healthier one previous to this one, my longest). He said a few times at the start that he was a "nice guy" and I always thought it was so odd. He has stopped saying it since I told him during an argument that nice guys wouldn't be horrible like that.

He also knows a lot of my background history. The fact is all but one of my previous relationships have been abusive in some way, but that was long ago now. I do carry a bit of paranoia from that which does make me question my judgement with this one constantly. But now it feels like he is using this information against me during arguments. Insinuating I am abusive, I am scary. Yes I can get really upset and shout eventually, usually because he already is shouting and I am trying to get heard. But I am tiny in comparison to him, and underweight. I have done nothing violent or physical whereas he has put his hand over my mouth (softly though) during an argument and then been really surprised at my negative reaction to it, clearly not realising in the moment that it wasn't right to do that. Although those were the days he used to apologise more (never now) so he did apologise for that afterwards.

I was the one that told him early on that I sometimes found him and his temper scary due to my history. Now he says I am scary.

Another thing is when he starts raging he also accuses me of being the angry one and a new word he likes to use is being "agressive". Yes towards I do end up getting pretty angry and very very upset , but he normally accuses those things when my voice isn't raised and I am trying to stay as calm as possible. Of course, him raging and accusing me of being angry when I am trying to stay calm, ultimately makes me lose my own control and get angry/upset!

Also many times when we argue he says stuff like I just want to relax, I work hard just want to rest. Well, don't we all? But sometimes things need to be discussed. He does nothing outside work other than sit at the TV, no kids, he has all the time in the world to relax. Perhaps having a relationship is too much bother for him? Or it is when we argue, or I have an issue with him. He just wants a boring, easy life.

I just wondered if this was typical toxic behaviour. Things seem to have flipped since the beginning. Now all arguments on me. Now seems like projection: I am angry and aggressive and whatever else. I am the scary one. Even though he seemingly works himself up into a rage about the smallest of things sometimes. Yes maybe I drive a point too much sometimes, and may not be the best at raising or trying to discuss things myself. I'm not perfect. But he could still choose not to rage and get so worked up and laugh at me when I am crying.

It's been a few weeks since our last argument but I have not been very close with him, I just can't get over how bad the arguments have got, my level of paranoia now, confusion, and I just have a bit of a mental block now and can't really remember that I love him and I have been a quite depressed. He of course has been acting super nice and caring since then. I just cant reconcile this "caring" guy with the horrendous arguments and even other times when he has exhibited not great behaviour outside arguments (like very occasional belittling)

Well I am as I say accessing some support for my mental health, and so hopefully the therapist can help me to also understand this situation a bit clearer.

Thank you

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madcatladyforever · 24/10/2020 07:59

Stop blaming yourself and your mental health and leave this prick. He is the source of all of your troubles and you need to move on.

madcatladyforever · 24/10/2020 07:59

Can you imagine a lifetime of this?

Dozer · 24/10/2020 08:02

It was a mistake to ignore all the red flags early on, then throughout. Get out of the relationship!

Dozer · 24/10/2020 08:03

He doesn’t have ‘anger issues’, he chooses to treat you badly.

This is another abusive relationship.

MattBerrysHair · 24/10/2020 08:05

Getting upset when someone is shouting and raging at you is totally normal and not indicative of MH problems at all. This is not a healthy or positive relationship and I think you know that your life would be all the better for ending it. He's not going to change.

Clementinesunshine · 24/10/2020 08:08

Thanks. I do know that I can be a bit too critical sometimes though, I can nit pick. I am not perfect and indeed not much fun anymore as I have become increasingly depressed over the past two years. Not many friends, not going out much myself.

But it is not my fault that he keeps everything in and then just boils over at times.

He can sit and laugh at me when I am in so many years and having a meltdown myself,
yet after it is resolved (always me coming back apologising and yes unfortunately sometimes even begging and I do feel guilty for that) he goes back to mr nice and caring.

I don't know why I am so attached. It may be down to the potential MH problem which I do believe I have always had to be honest, he has just triggered it massively and never seems to care at all when I am upset (at my worst mentally) during and after arguments.

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PamDemic · 24/10/2020 08:11

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Clementinesunshine · 24/10/2020 08:12

I know, now he is back to being Mr nice guy, being caring and pretending to care that I am depressed, doing things for me, I just can't believe any of it any more and I am just constantly waiting to see how he behaves during the next argument, whether it will ever change. I can't reconcile the two.

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nomdeplume2019 · 24/10/2020 08:13

Break the cycle

iloverock · 24/10/2020 08:13

You've only been together two years. Just walk away. Why on earth would you think this acceptable and not walk away

Mistystar99 · 24/10/2020 08:15

Only 2 years history together and no kids? He is either giving you mental health problems or aggravating underlying ones? Don't waste your time trying to unpick his behaviour and your relationship, do yourself a kindness and ditch this one asap - there is literally no sensible reason to stay.

Flower8 · 24/10/2020 08:16

I could have written this exact thing, my relationship is exactly the same and I'm at total loss of what to do.

Like you i can't talk to him about anything without him starting an argument. It then all becomes my fault. I've been called many names, sworn at, shouted at, made to cry then been told I'm trying to be a victim.

So i completely empathise. I would say it's not you it's them. And they will use your mental heath as an excuse

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 24/10/2020 08:21

He absolutely is abusive, yes, and the deterioration in your mental health exactly matches the period you've been with him, do you see that?

Do you live together, are any DC involved? What would you need in order to get this man out of your life and started moving towards a happier future?

madcatladyforever · 24/10/2020 08:26

I suffered from depression and anxiety for the entirety of my marriage. When he buggered off with another woman all of my mental health problems disappeared almost instantly.
What exactly do you think his rage and nasty behaviour is doing to you?
I repeat stop looking to blame yourself it's daft, normal men do not behave like this. He wants you to be upset, it makes him feel better.

Incrediblytired · 24/10/2020 08:30

You aren’t mentally ill, you are being abused. Seek support from a domestic abuse charity. Good luck!

Dollyrocket · 24/10/2020 08:30

By staying with this man you are enabling his abuse and gaslighting to continue. He will not change, this is who he is.

Do you want to waste more years in this miserable cycle?

Relationships really shouldn’t be this hard.

Clementinesunshine · 24/10/2020 08:31

He has not called me names yet (aside from something outside an argument that was a "joke"). Indeed I am afraid to say that I have deteriorated so much that I have called him a name by text message, but I immediately apologised. Just trying to be honest here. I know I haven't always been perfect in the arguments either. But I just don't understand why it always ends up that bad over small things. He doesn't either, he thinks it is all me, can't see his own anger, I am to blame, I have to apologise constantly.

We dont live together but very close to each other. I am not willing or able to move but it means staying away is very hard, no contact is very hard, we will always be bumping into each other. We've already broken up a few times but I just get weak I admit it. I am lonely, not many friends, still not going out much due to covid paranoia, and I guess trauma bonded to some extent.

I know it can't carry on like this and I need to make a break up stick.

Whereas, he just doesn't seem bothered anymore after arguments. When we have broken up he has shown absolutely no emotion. Rest of the time he is going on about how much he loves me. But when I am hugely upset after an argument he is nowhere to be found, when we have had discussed ending it he has shown nothing. I just don't believe or trust anything he says anymore.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/10/2020 08:37

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?.

You are being abused and this is yet another abusive relationship you are in. Your boundaries, already skewed by previous abuse, are also being further trashed by this individual. You were targeted by this man and deliberately so and he also knows you were abused previously. Now he is showing you the nice/nasty cycle of abuse. His true nature is also revealed to you behind closed doors; in the outside world he is better behaved.

How can you be helped into leaving your abuser?.

Your mental health, already fragile, is being further damaged by this man and abuse like you describe takes an awful long time, years even, to recover from. You need to contact Womens Aid and enrol yourself too onto the Freedom Programme (this can also be done online).

Clementinesunshine · 24/10/2020 08:37

I just kept putting the depression side of things down to the fact I lost a lot of mutual friends in my last breakup (was too upsetting for me to keep in touch) and feeling generally isolated and alone and missing my old life so much, but you are right, maybe it is more to do with him, or at least not helped by him.

He says he cares and is "just trying to do his best". But he never does more than what he is comfortable with. E.g he likes buying all the food, fine. He is comfortable with that. But he can see I am getting ill. He never suggests getting out and doing something to help. Never takes me out. He never comforts me after a fight when he full knows that I am at my most "unstable". Just switches on the TV leaves me to be alone in my own home and seemingly blanks it out.

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Clementinesunshine · 24/10/2020 08:39

Thank you all. Yes @AttilaTheMeerkat he is very charming to everybody, lived in this area a lot longer than me, very well liked by everyone and often doing favours for people.

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Nicolastuffedone · 24/10/2020 08:44

Why don’t you leave?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/10/2020 08:45

The only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is none.

He is using you for his own ends. He does not care about you at all, is not "trying his best" and merely uses you as his personal emotional punchbag. Your past history of being abused in relationships made you extremely attractive to such a man to further dump on. Such men hate women, all of them.

Again I urge you to make contact with Womens Aid or a local domestic violence support group and get this man out of your life before he further destroys it by dragging you down with him. The "Freedom Programme" will also help you in your ongoing recovery from such abuse.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/10/2020 08:47

Image to the outside world is all important and indeed many abusers are quite plausible to those in the outside world.
His needs are not more important than your own. I would also read about codependency and see how much if any of this applies to yourself.

Clementinesunshine · 24/10/2020 08:48

@Flower8 yes can't discuss anything at all. I noticed it from the start, but at least he apologised back then and recognised it. Any tiny little thing perceived as a huge criticism. I was shocked from the start. I ignored it.

And now it is all just on me. And yes, maybe I damn well have deteriorated during the relationship and arguments to become a total wreck at the end of each one! But he can't see that he has contributed to it. Because it is so impossible to discuss anything at all, because I get accused of being angry straightaway even if I am just trying to initially say something calm, because he has had a temper from the start, because now it is so much worse as everything is twisted on me.

During one of our breakups which I actually instigated I put something in a message like I need to work on getting myself better. He was all like, yes I agree and I am so glad you recognise that. So again, it's all me up to the very end...

Yes I do have mental health issues and have had previously when younger. But I was quite well for a long time before I met him. I stupidly told him my life story and low and behold this is what I get now and funnily enough I have massively deteriorated with him. I see it. He still takes no responsibility for it at all.

But I have been too weak to stay away. It just needs to end and I need to stay away despite him living so near to me and that is it.

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Dozer · 24/10/2020 08:57

When you end it, and go no contact, it might well be easier than you think to avoid him, and if you do bump into him no need to say anything more than hello.

Any mutual friends/acquaintances, no need to discuss your ex with them, and if they push can go on the ‘avoid’ list!

When this relationship ends you will have so much more time and energy for other things in your life. Even if you’re very lonely and sad (been there!) it’ll still be much, much better than this.