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He doesn't love me. Stay or go? WWYD?

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ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 10:34

I used to hope (maybe even assume), like most people, that I'd meet someone and we'd fall in love. However, I have a very rocky relationship history. No love and I've never felt special to anyone.

Nearly a year ago, I started seeing someone I'd known for a couple of years. I never had any sense he was attracted to me at all and then, late last year, we bumped into each other and he asked me out for lunch. Now, 11 months later, here we are.

We socialise as a couple with couple friends (as much as restrictions have allowed); we are in a support bubble; we see each other for most of the weekend, every weekend except when either of us has plans and in the week when life allows. He's kind and considerate to me and definitely isn't seeing anyone else. We behave like a couple - he refers to us as a couple and refers to me as his girlfriend; we are supportive, encouraging and accepting of each other, so he doesn't treat me badly, but he doesn't love me and doesn't behave in a way that would give me false hope either. I appreciate the honesty of his words and actions but it makes me sad because I wish he did.

I decided a few weeks ago that I'd give it until the year mark and then, if it was no different, I'd end it. If he doesn't love me after a year, he isn't going to. Would that be foolish of me?

I would like to find love but it's never happened before and, despite the lack of it, this is, in many ways, the best and most real relationship I've ever been in - which is sad because that's clearly not the case for him. Should that bother me?

This relationship could tick along pleasantly for years but I'll still never have known love. So I plan to talk to him at the 1 year mark and essentially tell him this. I know though that I could lose what we do have and still never find love.

It's 4 weeks until my self imposed deadline. I feel that if I don't address it in some way then, I'm just going to be kicking the can down the road but I don't know if ending it would be hasty.

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ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 15:43

AWiseWomanOnceSaidFuckThisShit

Sadly, I think that's what I'll end up doing too.

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ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 15:46

Sorry to hear you're still heartbroken.

Tbh, a lot of the heavy heartedness i feel around it is because, in pretty much every other respect, there is no problem. And it really does feel like the final nail being slowly hammered into the coffin.

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chatterbugmegastar · 27/09/2020 16:05

I feel that he (and others) would see me as someone who would realise I wasn't going to be loved and so being explicit about it feels unnecessary. If that makes sense.

Why are you someone who others can't love?

RantyAnty · 27/09/2020 16:19

What would I do?
I would end it. I wouldn't wait any longer either.

You've talked to him a couple of times about what you're looking for and yet he made no gesture about wanting a future with you.

Bluntness100 · 27/09/2020 16:26

I don’t know what difference another four weeks makes op

Have the conversation, and no if he hasn’t fallen in love with you by now, it is unlikely he will.

ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 16:31

Why are you someone who others can't love?

I don't think I am.

I just feel that others see me as someone who doesn't have relationships and who isn't loved and it wouldn't even occur to them that I might be bothered by it.

I don't feel comfortable saying it's what I want in case people look at me like Confused

RantyAnty

Sad you're right.

It just makes me sad though. We've had a lovely weekend together and went out for the day yesterday and had a really lovely time.

Stupidly, I think I had the 12 month deadline in my head because i feel a bit sad that I've never had a relationship lasting a year and it would just have been really nice to be able to say it. Plus, after a year, I think you'd know whether someone was right or not so it would make it easier for me to get a handle in it in my head.

Plus, we are each other's support bubble and, with increased restrictions, and everyone else already having formed bubbles, it leaves both of us with no one. At least we have each other for company currently.

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ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 16:32

I don’t know what difference another four weeks makes op

It doesn't really make any difference.

I know that really.

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ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 16:36

It's just hard to think about it. Hard to deal with it. Hard to bring it up. Hard to talk about it...

I know he wouldn't, but my fear is that he would laugh at me for having unrealistic expectations 😔

And I'm worried about crying and being vulnerable in front of someone who isnt going to be able to make me feel any better.

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ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 16:41

I don't even know how to bring it up.

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ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 16:42

More than that, I've never broken up with someone I didn't actually want to break up with. It's just hard.

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chatterbugmegastar · 27/09/2020 16:49

And I'm worried about crying and being vulnerable in front of someone who isnt going to be able to make me feel any better.

I do think life is about making yourself better and making choices for you

You seem quite muddled

If you want something ask for it

If the other person can't or won't give you what you've asked for - that's sad but at least you know

And his lack or his inability is NOT YOUR FAULT

Knowledge is power. Once you know what you can or can't get , you can make choices

You're in control of your destiny you know - no one else

ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 16:59

You seem quite muddled

I am 😔

I know it's up to me and I've spent my whole life taking care of myself. Always being the strong one always being in control. Always making the hard and the right decisions. It would just be nice, just once, to be able to relax into something and enjoy it rather than being hyper vigilant. To actually feel like someone was on my side. To not feel like I always have to protect myself. To not feel like each person I let in is just another person I'll have to remove at some point.That's what I mean really.

You're right, I'm not very good at being vulnerable but I've never had anyone (not just men) I've been able to be vulnerable around. I hardened myself at a young age to other people and the world. I don't really let the softer side of me show - it feels unsafe. Apparently, there are glimpses of it when I'm really tired or ill. Or so I've been told because those are the only time my defences are down.

I'm not needy and I dont want to he seen as needy. I'm self sufficient and capable but deep inside there is a desperate yearning to be recognised and valued by someone else. Just one person. Just once. I feel like I'm battling with the world just to keep going 😢

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Bluntness100 · 27/09/2020 17:08

Op, what is it you want from him? What are you hoping will happen?

I don’t think you do want to end it, I think you want him to declare his love.

Is that right?

Sacredspace · 27/09/2020 17:19

‘Really, my question is more about foes it matter that I'm in a relationship where I'm not loved. Is it important?’

If it’s important to you (and it seems it is) it’s important. I think most people would feel it’s important (for what it’s worth). It’s the most wonderful feeling to love someone that loves you in return. Here’s what I think. If you can afford some private therapy it would be a great idea to explore all of this. Perhaps you are both holding back? You could end the relationship stating that you feel something is missing? End contact completely and continue to work on yourself in therapy etc.
He may well find that he does love and miss you at that point. If not you will be working on yourself to get yourself in the best possible position going forward without him.

Reddog1 · 27/09/2020 17:28

I’m a bit muddled - unless I’ve missed something, you have no proof that he doesn’t love you. I mean - he’s never said something like, “I’m looking for companionship and you fit the bill”. You might have got this wrong.

TiggerDatter · 27/09/2020 17:30

It sounds like you’re constantly guessing what’s in other people's heads through a lens of your own past experience. You don’t KNOW. Honestly, you need to ask, ask, ask until you understand the answers. By all means wait until the time is right, but he must speak clearly for his own feelings and expectations

ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 17:41

Bluntness100

No, I don't want to end it but I think I've realised that he's unlikely to say what I want to hear and so I don't really think I have much alternative.

I started this thread when I was at his house. I'm now home and, whilst we had a really enjoyable day out yesterday, a lovely evening together and sex, I've come away just feeling sad and empty.

As for what I want. I really just want to know rather than guessing and assuming.

I mean, I want him to tell me he cares about me, that I'm special and important to him. Not all the time. Just once. I do want him to love me even if he's not the sort of person who's ever going to wear their heart on their sleeve. But, above all, I'd just take the truth.

I want to feel that, after a year, I can settle into something good, to feel 'safe' (as far as its possible to do so) rather than constantly feel like it's third date territory and I don't know if I'm going to hear from him again. Or to not have to think about it at all.

He doesn't seem to have any of this. We'd mentioned a couple of things we could have done this weekend during the week but no firm plans were made. By Thursday night, I just assumed that we weren't seeing each other so hadn't expected to see him. He was surprised and had just assumed we'd spend the weekend together because we always do. He prioritises me over his friends unless it can't be helped (when he explains and apologises) and fits in seeing them around me - so he'd arranged to see a friend tonight because he'd expected to spend the rest of the weekend with me. But the uncertainty around it for me means that I wouldn't ever make the same assumption. We're long past the stage of asking if the other is free at the weekend. It's just assumed. But when nothing was arranged my default was that he must have other plans.
So, yes, I would like him to tell me that he loves me (and for it to be true) but I see now that ending it is preferable to it continuing the way it is.

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popsydoodle4444 · 27/09/2020 17:45

I'm so sorry if this sounds harsh but whilst you're wasting time with a man who doesn't love you because you're comfortable in the relationship you may be passing by the love of your life.

Life's too short;this man is keeping you on the hook,you deserve better.

Bluntness100 · 27/09/2020 17:50

Op, I mean this gently, do you think telling him you’re ending it will force him to say what you want to hear, even if you both know it’s not true?

Is there an element of emotional manipulation here? As said I mean that nicely. But if you want him to tell you he cares, that you’re special that ultimately he loves you, it’s likely he will say he cares and you’re special if you threaten to end it because he doesn’t say it.

If he then effectively comes up with the “goodies” says what you want to hear to placate you, will you then just continue?

ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 17:58

I know...

And it sounds stupid but everything is taking on huge significance now. Even ridiculous things.

Such as, we had a Chinese takeaway last night and they put two fortune cookies in. Two mass produced, randomly picked out of a box, means nothing fortune cookies.

His said something like 'the love of your life will appear before you unexpectedly'. Mine was thrown away with the rubbish. He removed his and quietly put it on the windowsill.

It's just stuff like that. It's not that he's unsentimental or unromantic (the efforts he makes with his friends are testament to that), I just don't even feature.

Reddog1

No, he hasn't said anything like that but he hasn't said otherwise either.

TiggerDatter

I don't want to keep asking though. He knew why i was asking and he responded in the way he wanted to. Which was completely non committal and deflected the question a bit. We talked aot around it but I realised afterwards that he hadn't actually told me what he wanted etc at all.

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ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 18:08

Bluntness100

Yes, I've thought about how it would come across.

I don't want to manipulate the situation or him emotionally at all. And I would genuinely like him to answer honestly. Even if that were to say that he likes me and enjoys my company but can't give me what I need/want.

I'd want to word it I such a way that enabled him to be honest with me and for us to end it amicably. Tbh, I'd actually prefer to hear him say that than to not hear anything at all.

I think the suggestion made above is closest to what i think would work. Something along the lines of "I want to love you but something is holding me back. I want you to love me but i dont think you will."

He's not a bad person but I guess he's got similar considerations/reservations to me in terms of losing what we have.

I suspect that we both had hopes for this being something that worked given our ages, our respective relationship historiesamongst other things. But if he isn't feeling it, then he isn't feeling it.

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Bluntness100 · 27/09/2020 18:14

Honestly I don’t like that whole I want you to love me, it’s so needy.

Just sit him down and address it.

Smiling, and not all heavy,,, Can we talk about us? I think we have a great time together, but wanted to know your feelings towards me, and how you see this panning out, would you like it to continue as is, would you like more, what’s your thoughts and feelings?.

And see what he says, don’t lead it with the big heavy love thing.

ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 18:20

Yeah, that makes sense.

I just feel awkward bringing it up at all tbh.

I feel like he's going to tell me what (I think) I already know.

We'd been together for 6 months before he referred to me as his girlfriend. I was shocked to hear it tbh.

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ColdLeatherSofa · 27/09/2020 18:29

And what do I say if he tells me that he doesn't like to think to far into the future or is just enjoying getting to know me and doesnt want to rush into anything that's wrong for both of us?

He did say before that he felt the lockdown had impacted on our ability to really get to know each other properly because it was difficult to spend time together or to get to know each other in situations other than sitting in each other's houses watching films.

It was true and I suppose that was also behind my thinking that I'd leave it till the 12 month mark. That way I can legitimately say it's been a year. That should be long enough whatever the circumstances.

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something2say · 27/09/2020 18:36

I think you're getting what you pay for.

You have not experienced love and don't trust it, yet crave it as it is natural, but also fear it and push it away and say it isn't real...

So, your love life is mimicking that...