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Am I second best in his eyes?

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JaffaCake70 · 13/09/2020 10:33

My boyfriend is best friends with one of his ex's from a few years ago. Not a problem. The thing that is a problem is that a couple of weeks ago she rang him early in the morning while we were in bed (we were just chatting and lazing about, about to get up and make breakfast) and asked him to go and view a house with her. He got up out of bed and went. When he got back he told me that on the way back she had pulled into the pub car park and asked him to go for 'a beer'. It was 11.15 in the morning by this time, and she knew that I was back at his place and that I only see him for one weekend per fortnight. He didn't go for the beer and he did tell me about the situation (good as he was honest? Or bad, did he want some sort of reaction?). I didn't react at all but it's bugged me ever since. It's too late to say anything now as I always think issues such as this should be dealt with as and when they happen.

What do you think? As it's still eating at me should I say something or is it best left alone? They had 10 full girlfriend (me) free days to schedule this viewing, why did it have to be done on one of the mornings that I was there? Especially as we spend so little time together (long distance relationship). They are both currently furloughed and have plenty of time during the week to sort these things.

This woman has a partner and lives very close to my partner. She and my partner talk on the phone and text every day. Their relationship has never been a problem for me but am I right to be pissed off at this situation? Would you be? Should I have packed up my stuff and left whilst he was gone? I really feel that he should have told her to schedule the viewing for another time and not whilst I was visiting.

I'm so annoyed with myself now for keeping my mouth shut and not being true to my own feelings. I feel like I've given them the green light now to behave like this in the future. For me it's unacceptable. Do I tell him or wait until the next time something similar happens?

Don't get me wrong, I get on well with this woman, we have always got along and have socialised together, but I do think I need to have a personal boundary here. It doesn't feel ok. I'm just interested to get other's opinions on the matter. WTIA :-)

OP posts:
BlueThistles · 14/09/2020 20:36

how are you OP 🌺

JaffaCake70 · 14/09/2020 20:57

@BlueThistles thank you so much for asking. I have had two telephone conversations with him since my original post, one last night and one this morning. Neither of them have made me feel any better about the situation.

I have told him exactly how I feel about his closeness to his ex, I stated that I'm not asking him to sever all ties with her, but that if our relationship is to progress any further their friendship needs to become less invasive to our relationship and more respectful of my time and feelings.

He just kept stating that she is 'just a friend' and that friends do favours for each other. He then brought up a time when the ex girlfriend's partner lent us a car for a function, he said 'it's what friends do, they help each other out!'. Just massively, and in my opinion, purposely, missing the point that this is about the inappropriateness of his (too) close friendship with this ex.

I told him that I'm at a point where I felt that I had to be 100% honest with him because for me, at two and a half years in to the relationship, it is time to either move forward and start making plans to be together, or to move on to pastures new. I told him that while he has this inappropriately close tie with his ex, we would not be able to move forward in any way.

I asked him to tell me what he wanted for us in the future, he said that he hoped that one day I'd go to live with him in the village that he lives in. I told him that that would never happen with things as they are between him and the ex. I said it's hard enough now when I'm not really affected by it day to day, but if I came to live with you and you were texting and calling every day, and going out for drinks together etc, that would be my idea of hell.

He didn't reassure me whatsoever, he offered no words of comfort, made no noises about changing any of it in any way. And when I told him that I feel like I'm just his friend too, due to the lack of any intimacy or physical touch, he didn't say anything. He didn't say "don't be silly, you're my girlfriend, I love you and fancy the arse off you", no, he just didn't say anything.

My self confidence and self worth have taken a huge battering with this. I have to end it now, sever all ties, delete and block etc, and move on to happier times. I have a grown up Son to focus on and two cats for company, I'll be fine, I have good friends and family around me, I'm very lucky in that respect.

Thank you for taking the time and caring enough to ask how I'm doing. Mumsnet can be a difficult place to open your heart but this particular thread has helped me so much, people have been so supportive and kind, and have helped me to make my final decision.

Take care, sending big love and hugs your way xx

OP posts:
LindaEllen · 14/09/2020 21:06

[quote JaffaCake70]@LindaEllen there are other issues too which I haven't gone into in my original post because I know it makes me sound like a low value idiot.

We don't really have an intimate relationship anymore, we've only had sex a couple of times this year and he never kisses me, cuddles me, holds my hand etc. A few weeks ago I sat next to him on the settee crying because of an issue with my Son, he just completely ignored me and carried on watching tv, I was so hurt and felt so unimportant. I think he is emotionally stunted and doesn't know how to behave in a mature, grown up relationship.

I don't know what his issue is with the sexual side of the relationship. Whenever I've tried to broach the subject he either says he's always tired and has been drinking too much, or that 'we rush around that much at the weekend that we just don't seem to get time'. This is a load of b*llox, if you love someone and are attracted to them, you make time to make that intimate connection.

I think the issue with the ex girlfriend has been intensified by our lack of closeness, it didn't used to bother me as much as it has of late, maybe I'm just feeling especially vulnerable and insecure at the moment. I'm just finding it so hard to sever the final tie, I know I deserve better treatment than this, I know this situation will never make me happy as it stands.[/quote]
This makes it very different then. It's so difficult, but it sounds to me that you would be much happier without him. You certainly deserve much, much better than this. The lack of empathy when you were crying would be enough for me, I couldn't have a man who supported me so weakly. Just know what you are worth SO much more than this, and you WILL find someone who treats you well and who deserves you love and affection!

BlueThistles · 14/09/2020 21:37

Jaffacake, you have done everything you can, to express your feelings, to share your thoughts and hopes for the future, and you've gotten nothing but woeful explanations and hopeless descriptions of a bleak dark future with him. I don't think you're being unreasonable in writing this off to a lost cause. He certainly does not deserve you, your love or your respect. I do hope you take heart in knowing that it's not you Jaffacake, you sound like a thoroughly lovely person. He on the other hand sounds pretty pathetic. So onwards and Upwards you shall go 🌺

Susannahmoody · 15/09/2020 02:37

When he got back he told me that on the way back she had pulled into

^

I would have been out when he got back, tbh

Fuck that

Susannahmoody · 15/09/2020 02:39

You've done the right thing

Fizzysours · 15/09/2020 06:15

I also think you have done the right thing. The ex situation is pretty irritating but you have just escaped a future with a heavy drinker and OP that would be AWFUL. The alcohol abuse will catch up with him, sadly, and you would be his carer. People get away for years with high drinking levels but it is still damaging them and it shows (rapidly) in the later years. He sounds a liability, frankly. Hugs and stay strong xxx

Standrewsschool · 15/09/2020 07:12

Wishing you all the best.

In the house viewing situation, he could have easily said to friend that it wasn’t convenient, to go at a later time, or to invite you along. House viewings are usually arranged so she could have easily phoned the night before or earlier. It’s the way he meekly got up and went that got me - no thought for you at all. He clearly showed where his priorities lay.

misscockerspaniel · 15/09/2020 08:08

I think you have handled the situation well. The OW has, quite deliberately, sabotaged your relationship with him and her partner sounds like a doormat. Flowers

misscockerspaniel · 15/09/2020 08:10

ps - I am not just blaming his ex - he should have been putting you first and centre.

BlueThistles · 15/09/2020 09:21

agree, the Ex was enjoying manipulating the situ. 🌺

seensome · 15/09/2020 09:30

You've done the right thing, you can't change people that don't want to be changed.

AtrociousCircumstance · 15/09/2020 09:43

Well done OP. Absolutely the right decision. Leave them to it and onwards to a new chapter!

ButteryPuffin · 15/09/2020 09:48

You've made the right call. He won't make any compromises for you and you deserve better.

frustratedstep · 15/09/2020 10:02

I think you should say something, never good to let things fester. It's never too late to say you found something uncomfortable or upsetting. I wouldn't be chuffed if my boyfriend did that, I'd expect him to say "aw sorry mate but it's my weekend with Jane and we've got plans!" It's not hard! I'd have been equally peeved if it had been a male friend to be honest. Rude.

frustratedstep · 15/09/2020 10:14

Just read the full thread. Sorry op, you sound like a level headed person who deserves more than that. Definitely move on to happier things.

JaffaCake70 · 15/09/2020 10:41

@frustratedstep I have spoken to him twice over the weekend, it didn't go well. He's proven himself to be immature, self pitying and also, it's plain to me now that he has absolutely no intention of broaching the subject with his ex. See my reply yesterday to @BlueThistles there's a bit more information about our conversations there. I really think he is hoping that I'm just being 'hormonal' and that things will all go back to normal soon. He has a big shock coming to him.

Also, as someone else quite rightly said, a life with a drinker is never going to be much fun. He may be able to handle copious amounts of alcohol now but that won't last forever. His health will eventually fail, and I'm not prepared to be the one who has put up with his reckless behaviour AND his ex girlfriend for years, only to end up being his carer.

Thank you for your kind reply. Mumsnet has been brilliant on this occasion, so supportive and a massive help :-)

OP posts:
JaffaCake70 · 15/09/2020 10:45

@frustratedstep Sorry, just noticed your second msg saying that you have read the whole thread. He really is feeling sorry for himself, he sent a text last night saying 'I'm sick of trying to make everyone happy'. Who's 'everyone'? Does he mean me and the ex? If so, why is it his job to keep her happy? Surely it's her partner's job to keep her happy? I haven't replied to the text, I don't intend to. He's really showing his true colours now, I always thought he was a real Alpha male, he absolutely isn't if he hasn't got the balls to tell his ex that she needs to back off!

OP posts:
combatbarbie · 15/09/2020 10:51

That would be my idea of hell. If he had said for you two to find a home together then maybe, I'd be searching outside the village

tornadoalley · 15/09/2020 11:32

It's unacceptable and it's your DP who needs to set the boundaries.

TheSecondMrsAshwell · 15/09/2020 12:12

@Inaseagull Her partner was home looking after their children.... she apparently needed by bf's building expertise.....

Yeah, well, I'm looking at flats at the moment and I need DP's building expertise (he's isolating at the mo), so I'm taking photos of anything that looks iffy - with permission - to get his opinion.

TheSecondMrsAshwell · 15/09/2020 12:13

Sorry, hadn't RTFT

Wallywobbles · 15/09/2020 13:39

When my then DP and I started going out he came to our holiday rental for a weekend. He arrived really late because he'd been doing things for other people. None of it vital. Just that was his way.

So I explained that by doing all that he'd showed that in the scheme of things I was after all the others in terms of his priorities. Not his intention. But it's never happened again.

We are now married and he always makes me a priority. And the kids obviously.

Wallywobbles · 15/09/2020 13:58

Sorry no longer relevant

SandyY2K · 15/09/2020 19:32

OP I'd say you've given everything a lot of thought and you're right about the future or not of the relationship.

He sent you that text to try and make you feel guilty for his behaviour. Don't fall for it...you won't find what you're looking for with him. He lacks emotional intelligence.