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Ok, trusted my mother to look after my son, i feel v been betrayed but being made to feel like im over reating, am i? LONG

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mumzyof2 · 06/10/2007 16:17

Ok, so here it goes. My mother asked me if she could have my 2 and a half year old over night last night. I said yes as she has him one night most weekends. I dropped him off at her house and then went home. Everything was fine. This morning my dad rang, and just so you know, my mum and dad split up about 4 months ago, but they still get on, have a laugh and talk, no animosity at all, and my dad said tht he went round to my aunties house for a frink last nigh. This auntie is my mums sister, and he said that my mother was there, with my son, absolutely pissed. My auntie and uncle have a 6 year old daughter who was there, and their two friends were there with their 6 year old son, and my dad said they were all bladdered and my mum, who cannot drive, ended up sleeping there, so my son had to sleep in a top bunk of a bed, with a 6 year old, in a house that he hasnt been to very much. So, I was livid, rang up my mum, and told her that she was not having my son over to sleep again, and here why; My main problems here are these;
He is two years old and didnt go to bed until 11 oclock - 3 and a half hours later than normal;
he slept on a top bunk as it is a cabin bed with just storage underneath, and the inly way of getting off the bed is a slide! Which i just dont think is suitable for a 2 year old inase he fell off;
If he'd have woken in the night, he wouldnt have known where he was, who was woth him, or where to go;
My mum didnt take his bag with him, so he slept in his clothes, didnt clean his teeth and came to me this morning, filthy;
They went mad at my dad for telling me, so they wernt even goignt o tell me that they were so drunk that she couldnt get home;
I trusted my mother to look after my son for one night, and she didnt. She didnt put him in bed, or look after him, which I feel to be a massive betrayal, as I love my son, and have never had more than two drink whenever I have been with him.
All this I told my mother, but then, my auntie started having a go at me saying that I was over reacting and needed to frow up and shouldnt speak to my mother like that, and then blamed my dad for making my mum look bad! But none of it was untrue, she was too drunk to look after him, and he should never have been left to go to bed so late by his uncle, he should never have slept in his clothes, and she DEFINATELY shouldnt have got so drunk to the point that she couldnt stop. Yes shes stressed because she split with my dad, but she made the decision to leave, and that doesnt excuse it, my parents have just split up, my dads the best person you could ever meet, but massively depressed, but i dont get paraletic all the time. Am i wrong to say she cannot have my son anymore? I also told her I didnt want to see her, I was so mad, I jsut burst inti tears. Im 3 months pg, I dont need such an irresponsible family. Am i wrong to react that way about my mum and auntie?

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mumzyof2 · 06/10/2007 19:25

I knew she went to the pub, but in m opnion, it was just for a nice drink on a nice day, while all the kids played on play areas and things. Iv just spoken to my dad, and he said that they were in the pub for three hours...not a nice child friendly pub. Im still very angry, and also, as soon as my mum left my aunties house this morning, my auntie rang and appologised! So she clearly just wanted to get involved in the argument. Thing is, iv never got on with my mum, were a close family, and she knows most things about me, but i left home very young, at 17 to get away from her and her constant nagging, interfering, and sometimes nastiness. She likes to control people, and now that she hasnt got dad to do that to anymore, i think she tries to do it to me instead, but i wont stand for it, i stick up for myself.
I know shes got a bit of a drink problem, she asks for a glass of wine at our house no matter what time it is, which i have told my partner, as well as me, to refuse. iv got so much stress at the minute, im so worried about my dad, hes so depressed, then mum goes and pulld a stunt like this. my dad thinks im over reacting when i said she cant have him until she sorts herself out.

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SpacePuppy · 06/10/2007 19:32

Sorry, but under such circumstances I wouldn't even trust she could look after him over the weekend, how would you know she doesn't get drunk on other times? Completely irresponsible, and not you should not even feel that you need to justify your feelings to stop her looking after him over night. I would allow her to see him, but never overnight again. Sorry, that is not acceptable at all in my books.

orangehead · 06/10/2007 19:36

u not overreacting I would be furious if My mum did that and I wouldnt want her to have him again

mumzyof2 · 06/10/2007 19:48

Has anything like this happened to anybody else? Betrayed trust etc, and what did you do/react?
My mum is very stubborn and is acting like shes done nothing wrong. She is very clearly in the wrong, and I feel hurt that they would plan not to tell me, or that she would even neglect her so precious grandchild in the first place!

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edam · 06/10/2007 20:01

I'd be outraged that my child was left in the 'care' of drunken adults and that they were planning to keep it quiet.

She has betrayed your trust. Hard as it is for childcare, I wouldn't be letting a 2yo stay there again. Not until she's apologised, admitted quite how wrong it was, and shown you that she's capable of behaving decently.

beautifuldays · 06/10/2007 20:10

this is unnaceptable. don't let your ds go and stop with her without you again, unless she apologises and realises how irresponsible she has been. i would be fuming if it was my child.

tcmummy · 06/10/2007 20:18

Mumzyof2, you are not being unreasonable at all! I can't believe your mum did this! You must be so shaken up and upset xx

Personally, if it was me, I would not let her care for ds again until he was much older or I had confidence that she would care for my child in a way that I thought was appropriate.

I agree that children are often asleep upstairs while adults drink, but this situation is very different.

Your relationship with your mum is important, but your son is more important for you to care for and protect.

It's very odd that your mum would do this though and not enjoy her evening wth her grandchild. Perhaps the drink problem is more serious than you realise?

mumzyof2 · 06/10/2007 20:23

Maybe it is. I dot want people thinking that she is some scruff that is a complete mess. She really isnt, shes clean and tidy, and a nice enough person, but this was so out of order, i cant control my anger. It isnt helping that my dad told me not to be ridiculous when i said she couldnt have him again, and that he wouldnt have told me if he'd have known i would react like this. It is a big deal to me, but everybody thinks im being stupid. Im just not like that, iv never had more than a couple of drinks around ds, even when hes in bed. Iv always been well enough to drive home, it really isnt that hard to do, especially for one night.

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Amethyst8 · 06/10/2007 20:27

I went to my PIL home with DS and went out for the night with my SIL. She had a row with a friend while we were out and stormed off in a huff. I called my MIL and she came to pick me up and we drove round for an hour looking for her. When we arrived back at home my FIL was drunk passed out on the sofa but my MIL had quite happily neglected to tell me this and left DS then 2 YO basically unsupervised. The back door had also been left unlocked. There is no way FIL would have woken up if DS had got up. Luckily was in a travel cot so probably not come to any harm and luckily my dog was also there and would not have let any one in. I gave them another chance after this after letting them know how we felt.

After this we rang them one night when they had him and somehow their mobile clicked on and we heard them having the most horrendous row ever with DS screaming in the back of the car. He did not stay there without us for a year after that.

We let him go now because he is old enough to tell us what goes on and I think they are scared that we will keep him away again so on their best behaviour. It is really tricky because they love him and he loves them so much and mostly the relationship for him is brilliant. What can you do? You can t punish people for ever can you?

Kewcumber · 06/10/2007 20:30

I wouldnt freak out over a late night with Grandma, but would be completely livid at getting so pissed that somone else put him to bed in a strange house/bed.

It's not unreasonable to expect her to limit her drinking the one night he stays with her. Whether anyone else thinks you are unreasonable is irrelevant, you are his mother, you can decide that you do not want him to stay with her until she can promise that she will not drink and will put him to bed in her house. I wouldn't get involved in a discussion about it, just keep repeating - 'I do not want anyone drunk looking after him and I want him to sleep in a safe bed that he knows'. You don;t need to justify your decision to anyone - you are not a child yourself you are his mother.

I don't have an issue with a pub btw in certian circumstances, no smoking on pubs allowed now and as you say some of them are really child firendly. Took my DS to tea in a pub garden in the last of the warmish weather, it was lovely.

Kewcumber · 06/10/2007 20:32

I agree with tcmummy - I think she has a bigger drink problem than you (or even she) realise.

JellyNump · 06/10/2007 20:36

I would be really mad!!! Surely the reason she had him was so it was YOUR turn to go out and get bladdered if you wanted not for her to take a 2 year old somewhere where SHE could get bladdered! What if something really bad had happened one of the children got hurt or something and they were all too drunk to realise!!! TBH I think both your mum and auntie should know better! Its not acceptable to leave a 6 year old as the oldest sober person in a house with a 2 year old!
I am so cross now!

mumzyof2 · 06/10/2007 20:42

yey! Im not a raving pregnant over-reacting idiot. It wasnt my turn to go out for the night, i dont go out drinking that much as its not really my thing, she asked if she could have him for the night, presumably so that she could spend time with him - what a laugh! You're right kewcumber, he is my son, im not a child, and it isnt unreasonable to expect the person looking after a two year old to stay sober for a night. That may be the life for the 6 year old, but certainly not for my little monkey. It gets me mad, because, as i said, shes controlling - likes to think shes perfect, always right, and now when shes really fucked up, wont admit it.

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ItsGrimUpNorth · 06/10/2007 20:46

Amazing. Absolutely amazing that your mum thought this was in any way ok. Thank god your dad is responsible. What a bunch of idiots for being angry at him for telling you what really happened.

You're absolutely not over reacting in any way.

I would never ever leave my child with her again. What if there'd been an emergency of any description or just if, as you say, your DS had woken up frightened as 2 year olds often do. She'd've been too bl**dy pissed to do anything about it. Poor kid.

I'm amazed that someone posted that you should let it go because you should be grateful she has your DS for one night anyway.

JellyNump · 06/10/2007 20:49

Hmmmmm she sounds like my ex MIL!

ItsGrimUpNorth · 06/10/2007 20:51

And what if something had happened to you (god forbid) and you didn't know where he was because he was at somebody's else's house with your mum passed out drunk?

If it had been a babysitter you'd paid to look after DS, you'd go bonkers. Your mum was bang out of order.

Elizabetth · 06/10/2007 20:54

You're right to be angry and it sounds like the rest of the family are in denial as families of drinkers (alcoholics?) often are.

Do you think your mum could be an alcoholic? The signs are certainly pointing that way - being unable to spend an evening with her little grandchild without going to the pub and getting wasted makes it sound like she might be.

If she is I'd say don't let her look after him again until she's got help and has been sober for a long time.

Scotia · 06/10/2007 21:04

'Thank god your dad is responsible.'

I wouldn't call anyone who left their 2 year old grandson in the care of 'absolutely pissed' adults particularly responsible, by the way. A responsible grandfather would have taken the child home himself, or home to his mother, where he would have been looked after someone who was not 'bladdered'. Big deal he phoned to tell on his ex wife today, when it was too late to do anything practical to look after the child.

mumzyof2 · 06/10/2007 21:06

I was starting to think that i was being ridiculous when my dad said that i was being silly, but now i know im not. theres no way hes sleeping at her house again, not for a very long time. i dont even want to see her, to think that she says she loves him so much, probably even more than me, yet she would risk his safety like this.

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ItsGrimUpNorth · 06/10/2007 21:12

You're right Scotia. What was your dad doing, mumzyof2? Was he pissed up too?

mumzyof2 · 06/10/2007 21:14

True, i did say that he wasnt totally blameless, but, without sounding harsh, i just dont think it would have crossed the minds of many men, especially after a few drinks. my poor son today was so tired even at dinner time, i doubt he got any proper sleep at all, as, apparently my auntie went upstairs and woke my son and cousin up after they had fallen asleep. they are acting like a bunch a teenagers, would you believe they are in their 40's?!

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Belgianchox · 06/10/2007 21:15

This happened to me a couple of weeks ago. I left my 15mth old DS with my mum for the afternoon whilst i went out with my dad and DD (she kindly offered as where we were going wasn't really suitable for babies). When we got back around 6pm, my mum was totally drunk, still up and about, but completely out of it and aggressive to boot (to me, not DS). Now my mum is a an alcoholic, and has been for many years. Usually though she manages to keep a handle on things around my children, she's cared for them on many occasions without anything like this happening. But, in answer to OP's question, no YANBU, i was livid too and we are still not on speaking terms. THis was just one step too far, nothing untoward happened, but the point is if something did then she wouldn't have been capable of doing anything about it. I'm still furious, and she definately won't be looking after either of my children again alone. Which is a crying shame for all concerned, but its not a risk i'm prepared to take. Sorry to be long...and sorry if hijacking, but your story hit a nerve with me.

mumzyof2 · 06/10/2007 21:16

What it was woth my dad, is that he had been un the pub, and nipped round to my aunties, he was drunk, but was out on his own getting drunk, not with my son, so he cant really be blamed for getting drunk around my son as he was in the pub having his usual weekend drink. he went to my aunties afterwards, without realising that my son would even be there.

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mumzyof2 · 06/10/2007 21:18

Oh belgianchox, im sorry for you, as i know how you feel. its just horrid isnt it? im still in shock, but my mum will have a way of making feel as though im being petty.

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 06/10/2007 21:18

I'd be fucking furious.

When they are less hungover they might understand it.

You poor thing.

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