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I can't forgive myself for being the OW

55 replies

Ashamed5 · 02/09/2020 23:53

NC for obvious reasons.

It's not ATAAT but things I've read on here today have provoked introspection, not that I wasn't already dealing with a shit load of guilt as it were.

When I was 23 (five years ago) I fled a horrifically abusive relationship where I was physically and S abused. I moved across the country helped by women's aid and the police with a view to rebuilding my life. After a few months i found a job and met a man there who was a decade older than me and in a position above. He was mentoring me and over time would ask alot of questions about what brought me to the city etc. I was open about why I'd relocated and he began telling me how he could relate because his partner (and mother of his children) is an abusive alcoholic and hits him. He said she has cheated on him relentlessly. I was shocked, appalled and believed him without question because it didn't occur to me at the time that anybody would lie about such a thing. Naive, stupid.. call it what you will.

My boundaries were skewed, I missed DOZENS of red flags and was yet to have done the nessecary work on myself to heal after my ex.

A 'bond' developed based on the fact I thought we could relate to one another. Kindered spirits and all that cliche bollocks. Two people down on their luck after being abused and had 'found' each other.

At the beginning he asked me if I had children and I said no but confided in that I was pregnant some time ago but lost the baby. He said he understood and could relate to that too as his partner had suffered miscarriages and how hard it was. More common ground.

Long story short we had an affair and he left his partner. In the lead up to him leaving her he had done a cracking job of demonizing her to me until the point that I believed she was the devil incarnate.

Despite not feeling any remorse for his partner I did struggle with the guilt of what it would do to the children so I broke it off.

He went on to leave his partner regardless.

Over time I discovered everything he had told me was lies.

I came to speaking to his ex eventually (really nice woman actually) and she doesn't drink, has never hit him oh and has never suffered a miscarriage.

With the benefit of hindsight I hate myself for the part I played in breaking up that family, his ex was nothing but gracious toward me (fuck knows why) and said if it wasn't me then it would have been somebody else. He had form, unsurprisingly.

Also with the benefit of hindsight, there's a part of me that believes he somewhat groomed me. I was vulnerable, in a bad place, alot younger than him and wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole had he not painted the picture he had.

I don't think I'll ever be able to get past the guilt I feel about it, do I even deserve to forgive myself? I don't know. Part of me feels like I'm the scum of the earth but another part of me feels that he took full advantage. I own my wrongdoing regardless.

What are your thoughts? You don't need to mince your words as I'm not looking for sympathy, just genuine perspective.

Am I the scum of the earth or was I manipulated and deserving of forgiveness? (My own, nobody else's)

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Gin29 · 02/09/2020 23:59

You were vulnerable and groomed.

Forgive yourself and move on Op. Thanks

Gin29 · 03/09/2020 00:00

Hope you're ok now tho and feeling much more mentally strong?

BF2748 · 03/09/2020 00:00

You know you’ve been wrong for having an affair but to me you’ve been in a vulnerable position and manipulated, nobody is going to make a sound decision when treated like that. There’s a reason police now take coercive abuse more seriously than 10 years ago because it’s dangerous and had lasting effects.

Try and remember the facts that you called it off and he still left his wife. It’s unfortunate you’ve been a part of this but if it wasn’t you it would’ve been somebody else.

I think it’s good you’ve had the chance to speak to his former wife, I’m presuming she isn’t holding you responsible. Allow yourself to heal and let go of the guilt you’re carrying over this, don’t continue to deprive yourself of happiness because it seems you’ve had a crap time and you do deserve to be happy.

Thisisnotnormal69 · 03/09/2020 00:02

I don’t think you’re the scum of the earth Smile he sounds like an utter cunt though.

You’d been through hell and back when you met him, my judgement would be all over the place too.

Anordinarymum · 03/09/2020 00:05

@Gin29

You were vulnerable and groomed.

Forgive yourself and move on Op. Thanks

Absolutely this
Ashamed5 · 03/09/2020 00:06

Thank you all, not the response I expected, but I appreciate it alot.

His ex was nothing but nice to me when we spoke, initially online but then met in person so we could ascertain exactly what had been said to whom.

I still to this day feel like crying when I think about the impact it would have had on his children. I'm not a cruel person by nature, but became a bad person by doing what I did with him.

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PatchworkElmer · 03/09/2020 00:09

He sounds like a skilled manipulator. You were very vulnerable. Sounds like his wife has forgiven you- time to forgive yourself now Flowers

BF2748 · 03/09/2020 00:11

You’re not a bad person at all! You were taken advantage of by someone who knew what he was exactly doing.

I’m sure you felt relieved once you had spoken to his ex wife it must’ve been very difficult to do.

I’m sure he wasn’t a great man for his wife or children to live with either, it isn’t your fault. You can feel sad for them but don’t feel responsible.

SoulofanAggron · 03/09/2020 00:12

You fucked up but also you were exploited/manipulated.

You can get over the fucking up by saying to yourself that you'll never get involved with a spoken-for man again; and also by acknowledging that you were manipulated, which should help you forgive yourself.

It sounds like you would recognize the red flags now; this has been a learning experience and drilled the red flags into you.

The specificity of the lies, tailoring them to you, abuse and miscarriages etc, suggest this guy really is an expert. So don't be too hard on yourself- just don't do it again.

Also, you broke it off- you did the right thing.

I had one that went on to leave his wife after I dumped him for wasting my time. I was gutted as I thought I'd misjudged him.

But the main one just spun so many women a web of lies and manipulation.

I don't think you did anything to contribute to breaking up his marriage; he didn't leave because of you.

Forgive yourself for fucking up when you were manipulated (the two aren't an either/or.)

If you really can't forgive yourself, then have therapy. I had therapy for the long term anger, under which there was the feeling of having been conned.

Wishing you healing. Flowers Flowers Flowers

SoulofanAggron · 03/09/2020 00:15

How did you end up speaking to his ex? (just curious.)

I wrote to the dodgy guy's wife, but I think she's kind of in denial/turns a blind eye. As far as I know he didn't face any consequences, she didn't even mention it to him.

SoulofanAggron · 03/09/2020 00:19

His ex was nothing but nice to me when we spoke, initially online but then met in person so we could ascertain exactly what had been said to whom.

Ah ok, I suppose it's easier for her to come to terms with when they're exes.

I'm not a cruel person by nature, but became a bad person by doing what I did with him.

You didn't become a bad person- you made a mistake, did something that wasn't good. We all fuck up sometimes. So you're human- join the club.

Especially when there are sharks like this around that manipulate others into doing all sorts of things.

Ashamed5 · 03/09/2020 00:21

His ex found me on Facebook after seeing my name on his bank transactions (I had sent him half of the cost for a hotel)

She searched me up and saw that I worked at the same company and put 2+2 together.

She didn't contact me herself initially she sat on the information for a while then it was her friend who sent the first message, giving me hell (which I totally understand)

That prompted me to reach out to his ex herself.

I'm still blown away by her dignity and how she handled the situation, not once did she so much as swear at me or insult me.

He had left her by the time I got to speak to her.

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vapeinafleshlight · 03/09/2020 00:23

Forget it and forget him. Block, delete, move on!

And good luck

Ashamed5 · 03/09/2020 00:24

They were never married despite having two children which should have been a red flag too.

The only positive to come from such a shitty situation is that I'm now on the ball when it comes to men like this and would never allow myself to get into a situation like that again. I'm just heartbroken that it took disrupting two innocent children's lives to get me to the place that I am now.

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Delbelleber · 03/09/2020 00:32

He did groom you. And the wife had a lucky escape. You were a victim in this as well but hopefully you have learnt some life lessons from it and move on.

SoulofanAggron · 03/09/2020 00:43

@Ashamed5 It sounds like his ex had the measure of what he was like, and that's why she wasn't hard on you. She realized you were one of several victims of his games.

I'm just heartbroken that it took disrupting two innocent children's lives

You're wrong about this OP. You didn't disrupt their lives as far as we know in any marked way. He didn't leave because of you

You had already finished with him before they split up for unrelated reasons.

You're beating yourself up for a thing that never happened.

Therapy might help you because you're beating yourself up for a scenario that didn't occur. xxx

greengreengrass14 · 03/09/2020 01:07

Well done for getting out.

Going forward if you haven't done it already you may want to delve into traumatic bonding for reference.

Basically if you didn't know already, those of us who are unlucky enough to experience abusive relationship - may develop a way of having a relationship that is bonded through traumatic events.

And this may be what we get used to doing. Kind of means that we may (not inevitable) seek out what we are used to. And not in a positive sense.

So what you said about 'doing the necessary work' very important.

That is why they say not to have a relationship for some years, before we get out of the pattern.

vapeinafleshlight · 03/09/2020 08:04

"They were never married despite having two children which should have been a red flag too."

Sorry but what?! I'm not married despite having two children - I'm not waving any red flags thanks!

category12 · 03/09/2020 08:20

Oh you know, it all coming out did her a favour. If you think you were the only one he gaslit, you're nuts - imagine living with the king of tall stories and manipulation. I bet she went through some shit.

He's the bad guy. Yeah, you didn't cover yourself in glory, but he was the only one making informed choices.

JulesCobb · 03/09/2020 08:22

He groomed you, and she is most definitely better off without him. Let yourself move on.

HolyForkinShirt · 03/09/2020 08:28

As a general rule I find OW awful human beings.

You are the Exception to that. This man manipulated you at a vulnerable time in your life.

Forgive yourself and let it go. You and the wife had a lucky escape from this man.

Kassandra1 · 03/09/2020 08:32

I mean, yes you were clearly vulnerable and in a bad place and it sounds like he took advantage of that.

I also think you did a terrible thing. Even if you did believe him, you started a thing with someone else's DH. How would you feel? Did you honestly think him sleeping with someone else would help the "abuse" he was getting at home? I dont think you get a pass because their relationship was stormy/ending - she was still his wife/partner at the time and you sneaked about with her DH.

I would be looking very closely at what and why I thought that was appropriate at the time tbh. If you were a man, i imagine the responses here would be VERY different.

In either case, it sounds like there's not a lot you can do about it now. Have you considered the Freedom Programme?

Ashamed5 · 03/09/2020 08:37

@vapeinafleshlight

"They were never married despite having two children which should have been a red flag too."

Sorry but what?! I'm not married despite having two children - I'm not waving any red flags thanks!

Sorry I should have elaborated, he was stringing his ex along about getting married. They were together for a very long time, told her they would marry but kept moving the posts. He was a commitmentphobe.
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Ashamed5 · 03/09/2020 08:43

I've done the freedom program now yes, I've found it very useful and it has helped me to make sense of alot of things.

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AFireInJuly · 03/09/2020 08:48

Time to forget about it and move on. I very much doubt you were the only woman he had an affair with (not trying to be cruel, but men like that tend to have loads of affairs). His ex is probably glad to be rid of him. The effect on his children etc. is entirely his own doing.