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I can't forgive myself for being the OW

55 replies

Ashamed5 · 02/09/2020 23:53

NC for obvious reasons.

It's not ATAAT but things I've read on here today have provoked introspection, not that I wasn't already dealing with a shit load of guilt as it were.

When I was 23 (five years ago) I fled a horrifically abusive relationship where I was physically and S abused. I moved across the country helped by women's aid and the police with a view to rebuilding my life. After a few months i found a job and met a man there who was a decade older than me and in a position above. He was mentoring me and over time would ask alot of questions about what brought me to the city etc. I was open about why I'd relocated and he began telling me how he could relate because his partner (and mother of his children) is an abusive alcoholic and hits him. He said she has cheated on him relentlessly. I was shocked, appalled and believed him without question because it didn't occur to me at the time that anybody would lie about such a thing. Naive, stupid.. call it what you will.

My boundaries were skewed, I missed DOZENS of red flags and was yet to have done the nessecary work on myself to heal after my ex.

A 'bond' developed based on the fact I thought we could relate to one another. Kindered spirits and all that cliche bollocks. Two people down on their luck after being abused and had 'found' each other.

At the beginning he asked me if I had children and I said no but confided in that I was pregnant some time ago but lost the baby. He said he understood and could relate to that too as his partner had suffered miscarriages and how hard it was. More common ground.

Long story short we had an affair and he left his partner. In the lead up to him leaving her he had done a cracking job of demonizing her to me until the point that I believed she was the devil incarnate.

Despite not feeling any remorse for his partner I did struggle with the guilt of what it would do to the children so I broke it off.

He went on to leave his partner regardless.

Over time I discovered everything he had told me was lies.

I came to speaking to his ex eventually (really nice woman actually) and she doesn't drink, has never hit him oh and has never suffered a miscarriage.

With the benefit of hindsight I hate myself for the part I played in breaking up that family, his ex was nothing but gracious toward me (fuck knows why) and said if it wasn't me then it would have been somebody else. He had form, unsurprisingly.

Also with the benefit of hindsight, there's a part of me that believes he somewhat groomed me. I was vulnerable, in a bad place, alot younger than him and wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole had he not painted the picture he had.

I don't think I'll ever be able to get past the guilt I feel about it, do I even deserve to forgive myself? I don't know. Part of me feels like I'm the scum of the earth but another part of me feels that he took full advantage. I own my wrongdoing regardless.

What are your thoughts? You don't need to mince your words as I'm not looking for sympathy, just genuine perspective.

Am I the scum of the earth or was I manipulated and deserving of forgiveness? (My own, nobody else's)

OP posts:
ChristmasFluff · 03/09/2020 08:55

I would recommend taking the experience and learning from it rather than endlessly berating yourself.

I hated, hated, hated how I hurt the man I cheated on. I vowed to never, ever cheat on anyone again, because I never wanted to hurt anyone that way again.

That's the way to find the positive here. Use the experience for good.

We feel bad when we do dodgy things. Listening to that and being sure to live our lives better in the future is the healthy thing to do.

Ashamed5 · 03/09/2020 09:02

Thank you all. I seldom speak about this with my rl friends as I'm bitterly ashamed so it's cathartic to be able to talk openly here.

I'm under no illusion that I was the only one, he was a serial adulterer.

As for me, it was the first and only time I've ever engaged in something as seedy as an affair and I despise my part in it. It's horrible.

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Frownette · 03/09/2020 09:08

It's the past, no point wringing over it. Forgive yourself and think of better things.

Daisy434 · 03/09/2020 09:08

I think you deserve to forgive yourself. You have actually been very responsible in this, talking to his ex after receiving the email from her friend must have been difficult.

I think you know what you did was wrong but you were in an extremely vulnerable position, I have been in a similar situation as you were and I have absolutely no doubt I would have reacted as you did to this man's lies and manipulations. I don't know if I would have had the strength to break it off or had the courage to face his ex wife so I admire you for that.

To then go on and do the freedom programme and work on yourself is also really, really good. You have a lot of empathy and awareness. And the children being disrupted isn't on you at all. ( Maybe the fact they get some time away from their manipulative dad isn't an awful thing either, just a thought).

You have paid your dues and now you need to do the work to forgive yourself, whatever that takes. Because it sounds like you deserve to have that peace in your life.

Justa2015 · 03/09/2020 09:10

I would be looking very closely at what and why I thought that was appropriate at the time tbh. I imagine the OP thought this was appropriate because she had just left a horrifically physically and sexually abusive relationship, the two are in all likelihood related. My very wise aunt told me when I was very vulnerable after leaving a bad relationship to 'beware of the vultures'. My goodness, she was right, out of the woodwork they came. Certain men have a six sense for sniffing out a vulnerable woman and saying whatever they think will get in your pants. And after escaping an abusive relationship your sense of autonomy and sense of self has been completely obliterated, you don't even know who you are or how to make a decision any more.

I'm not saying that this justifies having an affair, but the OP is already struggling with immense guilt and knows that's not how she would normally want to behave. OP you escaped one abusive, manipulative man, and another manipulative man saw this as an opportunity to take advantage of you. You were groomed when you were at your most vulnerable. If you've done the Freedom Programme I'm sure with hindsight you'll see that both men fall into the abusive category. You're not responsible for him choosing to leave his marriage, you're taking on responsibility for decisions that were his. In addition a 'broken' family with healthy boundaries is a much better place for a child to grow up than a traditional family unit with a manipulative liar and serial adulterer at its centre. Take heart from the grace his ex has treated you with, you've both been lied to and played by this manipulative man. Keep doing the work you need to do to make yourself stronger and more aware, and think about pursuing some counselling if you can, I think it will help. As Maya Angelou says "Do the best you can until you know better. Then when you know better, do better."

OrlandointheWilderness · 03/09/2020 09:14

I can't abide cheating and I think on the whole women who have a relationship with a married man are awful.
BUT
There are exceptions to this and you are one! What a bastard. As soon as he found out your history he used it to groom you. You WERE taken advantage off, and by a man who knew exactly what he was doing.

GilbertMarkham · 03/09/2020 09:31

He's a predator and you were prey. I don't think you dud anything wrong, other than being naive and vulnerable.

I'd have been equally so at your age.

He would've done it with someone else if it hasn't been you. He wanted to leave by the looks of it anyway.

M0mmzee · 03/09/2020 10:08

You are a lovely person - you wouldn’t have all those guilty feelings and empathy for his ex P and DC if you weren’t. Forgive yourself - he caught you at a very vulnerable time in your life and took advantage of that. He is scum of the earth. His ex was probably glad that you were able to let her know exactly what was going on.
Thinking of you. 💐

CorianderLord · 03/09/2020 10:17

Sound to me like you were actually another victim to his behaviour

pooopypants · 03/09/2020 10:40

I can only echo PP - you deserve to forgive yourself OP. You were in a most horrendous place mentally and emotionally. He preyed on you and manipulated the situation. You're a victim of his twisted and perverse acts.

You've moved on, the ex has forgiven you, time to be kind to yourself.

Nsky · 03/09/2020 11:10

You were mislead

SoulofanAggron · 03/09/2020 12:25

@Kassandra1 OP knows all that, you don't have to rub it in. She is beating herself up over it too much.

AlternativePerspective · 03/09/2020 12:37

OP nobody’s perfect. Not even the posters who would sit here saying you need to think about why you did something you did years ago. No they may not ever have been an OW but they will have done wrong in their lives at some point. Will have hurt people they were supposed to be close to, will have made some kind of mistake that is worthy of judgement by some. It’s life. It happens to us all because we’re all human beings, and we’re all fallible.

If you’ve moved on then it’s done, over, you’ve put it behind you and now you need to move forward.

He’s out of your life, and the regret you’re feeling now means you’re not going to be doing it again.

Now think about the future and what you want from that. Smile Flowers

PicsInRed · 03/09/2020 12:58

My very wise aunt told me when I was very vulnerable after leaving a bad relationship to 'beware of the vultures'. My goodness, she was right, out of the woodwork they came. Certain men have a six sense for sniffing out a vulnerable woman and saying whatever they think will get in your pants.

Boy is this true, like bees on honey.

SpaceOP · 03/09/2020 13:05

Also with the benefit of hindsight, there's a part of me that believes he somewhat groomed me. I was vulnerable, in a bad place, alot younger than him and wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole had he not painted the picture he had.

You were not "somewhat" groomed. You were absolutely groomed. He spotted a vulnerable person and 100% took advantage of that. Sleeping with a married man is not okay, but from the sounds of things he'd got you to the point that, combined with your previous experience, you didn't have a clue about whether the sky was supposed to be blue or red.

The chances are that his ex has her own emotional scars to heal and therefore, more than anyone, understands the wounds he inflicted on you.

LimitIsUp · 03/09/2020 13:11

If his ex has forgiven you, why wouldn't you forgive yourself. Let it go.

Paris3404 · 03/09/2020 13:16

I think the fact you've recognised what has happened and that you do feel guilt shows that you're a genuine person with a heart, I wouldn't blame yourself. Whatever has happened, as the ex partner said it would've been someone else had it not been you. I think you should forgive yourself and move on because you've been through enough fleeing abuse and now essentially being taken advantage of. Learn to love yourself again x

cooliebrown · 03/09/2020 13:28

if you really were a dreadful person you wouldn't now be struggling with guilt and low self-esteem. Find a way to let the guilt go, and try to hang on to a bit of anger with the man involved, this will help you with any future red flag wavers you encounter.

Ashamed5 · 03/09/2020 13:45

Thank you all, your kindness means alot. I know how OW go down here and with good reason, so I didn't expect the response I've had.

I agree he's a skilled manipulator, a vulture and a massive c u next Tuesday.

Ironically, I have a deep respect for his ex now and I'm silently rooting for her that she finds herself a wonderful man and gets her happy ever after so to speak.

She didn't deserve any of what he did to her and after reading these replies I'm starting to believe that I didn't either.

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ukgift2016 · 03/09/2020 13:46

Sounds like you did her a favour!

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 03/09/2020 14:02

@Ashamed5

Thank you all, your kindness means alot. I know how OW go down here and with good reason, so I didn't expect the response I've had.

I agree he's a skilled manipulator, a vulture and a massive c u next Tuesday.

Ironically, I have a deep respect for his ex now and I'm silently rooting for her that she finds herself a wonderful man and gets her happy ever after so to speak.

She didn't deserve any of what he did to her and after reading these replies I'm starting to believe that I didn't either.

I suspect that the reason the ex was so nice to you is that her life got better once he had left her. I strongly suspect he was abusive. Ironically you gave her a happy ending.
Ashamed5 · 03/09/2020 14:12

I hadn't thought of it that way, you are probably right.

I do know I wasn't the first so it may well be that I was the last straw and she was just glad to be rid of him. He's no loss.

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Greeneyes78 · 03/09/2020 16:44

I had the shit kicked out of me for 15 years, suffered sexual abuse from a family member that lived in the same house and was raped by a taxi driver 7 years ago.

I have never been the OW.

Daisy434 · 03/09/2020 16:48

@Greeneyes78

Have you ever been pursued by, lied to and manipulated by a married man in the way that the OP was? He took advantage of her vulnerability.

It's REALLY easy to never be the OW if you are never pursued by, or have feelings for a person who happens to be married.

NeonBella · 03/09/2020 16:56

It sounds like you were taken advantage of in a very calculated way.
I wouldn't class you as the scum of the Earth. Him on the other hand...