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Unemployed partner defaulting to stay at home dad

91 replies

Harmonysg85 · 25/08/2020 22:27

I’m just not sure how I feel about this and it isn’t sitting with me well! Please can I have some re-assurance from other mums out there that such a set up has worked for them? My daughter is 7 months old and whilst he is very good at doting on her I am quite panic stricken about how he is going to cope with this role!

This aside, feeling very frustrated that his inability to get/hold down a job means we have no choice but this set up. We live in an awkward place so I’m going to have to buy him/cover costs for a second car as there is no way he will manage it cope without. I would feel sooo much better about this if it was temporary but quite frankly this is beginning to feel like a get out clause for stepping up/ finding work and is leaving me under more financial pressure than I’m comfortable with!

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DancingCatGif · 28/08/2020 03:59

I'm quite shocked by these replies. Surely most women just default to being a SAHM?

I would absolutely trust my husband to be a great SAHD. Why would I have had a child with him otherwsie?

Porridgeoat · 28/08/2020 04:04

Of course having a SAHP needs to be a joint decision. Can only happen if both parties are happy for it. Capability is also a factor and dealing with the ups and downs of parenthood can be too much for some

Porridgeoat · 28/08/2020 04:10

I completely trust my husband and he is a top dad. however I know that he would find difficult behaviour too stressful

SpaceOP · 28/08/2020 09:34

Also, whilst genuinely doing great as a dad, it is just apparent to me that he is not wired the same way as me/(dare I say women?!) to cope with things when the going gets tough. My daughter is lovely but very highly strung! Of course I’m hoping he’ll rise to it, I just know it won’t be easy for him and worry about how he is going to cope with such long hours alone as a parent without a car.

You asked for other people's experience. Well mine is that the above is where you will go wrong. DH does not parent like I do. As a SAHD, his responses and actions were different to mine. I had to teach myself that unless he was harming the DC, I had to step back. That HE was the responsible adult involved and that therefore I didn't get a say.

Many years later, I can say that his approach has worked well. We, as a couple, have had some issues re food for the kids where working out what is me being paranoid and him genuinely not feeding them appropriately has been difficult. But overall, I can see huge benefits for the DC in having him as a SAHP.

For example, DH plays with them at a level I simply don't. He will spend hours playing, imaginary games, active stuff etc. Even the BEST SAHMs I know play less with their DC. He takes them to places with, for example, huge climbing frames then is up there with them helping and encouraging them even from very young. He's also 500 x more arts and crafty and over the years has helped them with all kinds of projects (I'm currently redeeming myself by getting DD a toucan box - that's the kind of art and craft I can get behind! Grin)

Ditto, he talks to them constantly. Most women, myself included, probably think more about age appropriate stuff etc. But when I look at how DH has spent the last few years talking to our DC, I think there's a very useful lesson there for the rest of us. He talks to them as children, but I think he gives them more credit than I expect.

DH is quite happy to let DD wear dresses and be pretty etc, but he actively encourages less gender stereotypical stuff all the time by design and by chance. He tells and shows her constantly that her body is hers to control and demonstrates that just because he's a man doesn't mean she needs to change her behaviour for him.

He didn't do a lot of the groups I would have taken the kids to, but he did actively search out sports and music groups that worked for him. And they always spent a LOT of time in the park and playground - time that if I'd been with the kids would have been spent with other mums etc. Instead, they would spend 2 hours playing football together.

There are things I would have done better - FOOD being the big one. But also more routine, consistency etc. I'd probably have encouraged more reading and formal activities. I absolutely would have done more socialising which, while meaning less time with me, would have meant more time with other children. But on balance, I think DH as the primary parent worked out better for them.

DancingCatGif · 28/08/2020 09:39

I hate this notion that women are just better parents than men. It's so reductivist.

LonelyFromCorona · 28/08/2020 09:43

Wow just imagine if this was role reversed... awful comments and suggestions here.

KeepingPlain · 28/08/2020 09:47

I'm actually a bit confused, is she his child too? I'm assuming so, but you switch between our daughter, my daughter and making it sound like he's only recent in your life that I can't tell.

If he's becoming a sahd, then searching for work generally isn't what you do anyway. How many sahms spend time job searching? I'd bet hardly any and if a woman came on here saying that her husband expects her to find work instead of being a sahm, a lot of people would be slating the husband.

However if you can't afford to pay for all bills under one wage, he'll have to find a job and in the current climate, any job. What will you do for childcare though with a 7 month old?

corythatwas · 28/08/2020 10:01

Also, whilst genuinely doing great as a dad, it is just apparent to me that he is not wired the same way as me/(dare I say women?!) to cope with things when the going gets tough.

I have also known any number of impatient, not very knowledgeable mums, who have really found it difficult to cope with highly strung or difficult children. I suspect it's not about wiring but about willingness to learn. Dh and I both had the opportunity to learn from good parents of both sex. His father (born in 1909) was the SAHP when dh was a teen: it worked very well.

I actually think I'm pretty bloody good in a crisis. But I can easily think of times when I have been at a loss, when I haven't made the right split judgment, when I haven't been perfectly in tune with dc, when my "wiring" doesn't seem to have been connected up. And never, at any point has anyone suggested any implications for my role as carer. I've never had to prove my right to that. A man otoh has to earn his right to be a main carer, just like women used to (or still do) have to earn their right to be treated like a man in the workplace- by being better than the standard issue.

As for the financial responsibility- do you feel the same in families where there is a SAHM? Is it equally unfair on the man there? Or do women have some sort of unique right to be kept financially secure by the input of the man?

RhymesWithOrange · 28/08/2020 11:36

It works if it's a joint decision and if each person is happy with their role. My DH was a brilliant SAHD, went to all the baby groups and predictably became a bit of a celeb as the only dad in a circle of admiring mums Hmm

I think he was better suited to it than me in a lot of ways.

But it sounds like you have been put in this situation through circumstance, not choice.

Generally I agree with the poster that it's good for both parents to work a bit at least - it gives everyone a bit more resilience. In my case DH has an independent income plus could work again if he needed to (s/e builder, no shortage of work ever).

Boredbumhead · 28/08/2020 17:10

For those posters making a point about gender equality, I would say most stay at home mums see it as a job and do their very best, thinking about what the child needs for health and development. There are a section of drop out men who see it as an easy option to doss around and be a cock lodger putting their kids after their own needs to play computer games and let the woman take the strain under the name of equality. Fuck that. I had one of those. OP has one of those by the sounds of it too. What does the partner of the OP day the daily routine will be? He doesn't have an answer I bet!

RhymesWithOrange · 28/08/2020 18:02

@Boredbumhead I'd also say there were also women who were grateful for the excuse to escape crap jobs and the daily grind and fund raising kids easier than earning a wage.

RhymesWithOrange · 28/08/2020 18:06

Fund = find

Boredbumhead · 28/08/2020 18:39

@RhymesWithOrange but most of those women will do a good job of being a sahp. They won't be watching box sets and ignoring the kids needs and cries.

RhymesWithOrange · 28/08/2020 18:40

We'll have to agree to disagree I'm afraid, I don't think there's anything innate that makes women better carers than men, it's just socialisation and expectations.

Boredbumhead · 28/08/2020 19:00

OMG you're chronically misunderstanding me @RhymesWithOrange. I have never said general statements of women making better carers than men.

RhymesWithOrange · 28/08/2020 19:08

What was your point then?

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