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Mixed messages from woman

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Loodibo · 25/07/2020 21:54

I'm basically confused and not sure how to proceed here.

I met a girl on the match app and we started chatting. I felt like we hit it off quite quick, were getting to know each other and enjoying the chat. Loads in common.
We were texting for a few days almost non stop. It felt like a real click.
So we arranged a date. We had been flirting a fair bit, but she said she had only recently broken up with an ex so wasn't keen to rush into anything, and we were definitely not going to sleep together on the first date. She said she wanted to get to know me first. That was/is totally fine by me.

So we meet. Chatting, enjoying each other's company. Drinking. She says she's over her ex now. She opens up a lot. Tells me secrets. At one point she's in tears about what she's telling me. It's obviously very personal and I'm honoured she feels comfortable to speak to me about it.
Before long things become physical, despite her saying she wouldn't. We go back to mine. We fool around a bit, but don't have sex. She stays over as she's tired and not feeling well from drink.

I walk her home in the morning. She's a bit upset about how fast things went.

After that, we arrange a second date on condition that there is no alcohol and clothes stay on, and we avoid sexual stuff.
So I invite her for board games. It's all good for a while, but then she offers me a massage and leads the conversation to sex again. I was behaving, but as she's opened the door, I'm happy to join in. She very much leads the convo though, and seems to enjoy turning up the heat. She tells me all the things she'd like to try with me.

I feel like, I am happy to wait for her to be ready, and go at her pace, but she's running with it.

So overall, although she is saying she wants to go slow, she seems keen to jump in too.

So anyway. We're back to text the next day. Having a great convo, talking about all the things we can do next time we meet up.
Suddenly, she says she's not into me romantically and just wants to be friends. Still getting over ex. She wants to do the things we were talking about but she's sure she doesn't see a romantic future for us.

So, obviously I'm confused. Blowing hot and cold. I don't know if she really means there is no future or if that is just the feeling today? Despite the mixed messages, I really really like her and think she's really special. I've told her as such too.
So there is also the factor of hanging out as a friend with the elephant in the room of my feelings for her.

OP posts:
SepticTankYank · 26/07/2020 10:59

She sounds like the Boris Johnson of relationships.

Do have sex but don't have sex. Do stay at home but don't stay at home.

Honestly, move on. She's too confused about what she wants and you deserve someone who is really into you.

Loodibo · 26/07/2020 11:06

To those saying I was taking advantage of her. Wow. You must have missed the part where I said I let her lead that side of things completely and kept telling her I will happily wait and go at her pace.

Yeah. Some of it looks like a clear message of 'I want to be friends', but they say actions speak louder than words, and she used both to show me she was also interested. Hence mixed messages.

General consensus here seems that she does have issues to work through.
Yes I know it sounds strange to be invested after two dates, but we have also been texting almost constantly in between those dates, so it feels like more.
I'll meet her again in two weeks. Maybe she needs a little headspace. I'm still not sure if romance is really out of the question. But I am now a little wary that she might be trouble no matter what.

OP posts:
Lochie662 · 26/07/2020 11:20

Just keep in mind that false intimacy at the beginning of a relationship is a red flag (and it has to be false intimacy at this stage, it's far too early for true intimacy even if you do text all the time). Read about it.

Also, please don't think that someone oversharing their emotional issues is a good thing. It's not indicative of an amazing relationship, rather it's indicative of their poor boundaries.

I remember one time standing outside the doctors when a woman came out and told me how she was there to ask about getting rehab for a drug addiction to get her kids back from the social work. Some people overshare. It's not a compliment. I personally feel uncomfortable with it.

Good luck.

Planbforme · 26/07/2020 11:28

Best of luck OP but honestly be careful. Mixed messages are very tough. Would it be an idea to meet her during the day (e.g.) lunch and address everything that has happened? You’ve nothing to lose.

Loodibo · 26/07/2020 11:43

We did chat a little over text. She said she's sorry if I feel led on. So I did tell her I felt that way, so if she wants to be friends, then avoid sex talk as I'll see that as a green light to go along with it.

OP posts:
OhCaptain · 26/07/2020 12:10

Some of it looks like a clear message of 'I want to be friends', but they say actions speak louder than words, and she used both to show me she was also interested. Hence mixed messages.

Except that she told you after you “fooled around” that she wasn’t interested.

So there you have it.

And no, when it comes to consent, actions do NOT speak louder than words.

That attitude is pure rape culture. She told you no. You’re choosing not to hear that because YOU have decided that no doesn’t really mean no...

Do you see the problem here?

RustyLeesBogBrush · 26/07/2020 12:14

@TheGodmother

You don't need the drama this person will bring into your life. It's only 2 dates, be grateful you've missed a bullet, block and move on.
Completely agree with this. It is not worth the drama OP.
wildcherries · 26/07/2020 12:20

Move on, OP. The situation sounds way too messy.

Lochie662 · 26/07/2020 12:21

I'm uncomfortable with the suggestion that the OP is potentially a rapist. I don't see that at all in these posts. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the OP wouldn't respond appropriately when being told no.

I am also uncomfortable with the idea that women aren't responsible for their own actions, we don't know that's she's vulnerable, she could just as easily be manipulative. Either way the OP should not get involved with her.

It seems that she is the one constantly changing the goal posts. The OP sounds like he has been consistent with his wishes to the relationship.

OhCaptain · 26/07/2020 12:22

Suddenly, she says she's not into me romantically and just wants to be friends. Still getting over ex. She wants to do the things we were talking about but she's sure she doesn't see a romantic future for us.

@Lochie662 that’s the goalpost. That’s what she said. It’s clear. Very clear. He just doesn’t like it...

Planbforme · 26/07/2020 12:22

OP do you think that maybe nothing is meant to be this complicated? It sounds to me like she has issues and you felt flattered she spoke to you about them and you’re VERY sexually attracted to her and she has done things she regrets while drunk. You obviously care as you posted here but maybe you’ll be the one to suffer the most if you pursue this further? I can’t be sure obviously but based on what you’ve said I’m getting bad vibes about this union.

Mydogisthebestest · 26/07/2020 12:23

Honestly, she’s stringing you along. Who needs this much drama after 2 dates?

Lochie662 · 26/07/2020 12:26

@OhCaptain

But when he's talking about mixed signals, he not talking about them having sex. He's just talking about where they are going romantically, and yes, he likes her so he doesn't want to see this clearly.

The comments about rape culture are unjustified in my opinion.

Bunnymumy · 26/07/2020 12:27

Dude she sounds like she could be a massive narcissist from the off-
'We have so much in common'
Getting close really fast
Over sharing (to create a fast bond)
Intensity
Blowing hot and cold

None of that is good. Red flags galore.

Either that or her head is in a terrible place right now and she should not be dating. She needs a friend but that friend is not you as you dont want friendship. When she was drunk you should have sent her home, not let her stay over. It sounds like she may be the victim of abuse and do, struggle with consent. Try to be decent (and smart) and not take advantage.

TheVanguardSix · 26/07/2020 12:28

She's lost and a mess and needs time to recover from her break-up. No, that doesn't mean you should play the healing shaman here. She shouldn't dare be dating because she'll just end up messing with people's heads. Move on. Delete number. Next. You can't right this, OP.
And face it, you just want to be friends so you can fuck her at some point. Be honest with yourself.

Bunnymumy · 26/07/2020 12:28

*and so

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Loodibo · 26/07/2020 12:40

A lot of assumptions about me there.

Yes. I would like to sleep with her. Obviously. But I'm more interested in a long term thing because of how I feel we get along. I've told her I'm happy to wait and I want the relationship to be based on friendship first, and she doesn't have to feel any obligation to do anything sexual if she doesn't want to. If it was just about sex, I would absolutely see this as too much hard work.

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Fawnandwren · 26/07/2020 12:42

OP sorry you are getting so much hate on here. Wow I can't believe the replies from these women hating men 🙄 they must keep their DH's testicles in a jar next to their side of the bed. Jeeze, how is someone saying you're a rapist ffs!
If OP was a woman saying this about another woman or man, the replies would be 'gaslighting, abuse, leading you on, narcissist, control, blindsided etc' all the usual shit you see on here, but because OP is a man you treat him like this wtaf?!
OP, she is a train wreck and you need to move the fuck on before you get anymore invested. Don't be friends and just delete, block and move on...

Closetbeanmuncher · 26/07/2020 12:43

Agree with @Lochie662 first post.

This isn't a mentally stable person.

You've been warned OP, proceed at your peril.

TheGodmother · 26/07/2020 12:44

So she's got you hanging on a thread for the next 2 weeks, sucking you deeper and deeper into her drama.

Seriously Bud, block her and move the fuck away. This won't end well!

Bunnymumy · 26/07/2020 12:45

Agree with pp, delete block and move on. Why on earth would you want a relationship with her? She sounds nuts. Read up on your red flags dude. There are female narcissists out there too and they ruin lives.

Planbforme · 26/07/2020 12:46

OP would I be right in saying no matter how many times any of us advise against pursuing this woman due to her ex still being on her mind and her mixed messages, you’ll go for it with her anyway? Smile

Just be really really careful and protect yourself. Do not get embroiled in her issues. I’ve been there & done that & believe me, it might start well but the ending is no picnic.

Loodibo · 26/07/2020 12:49

I thank you for highlighting the red flags. It makes sense. I should avoid.

But I'm a stupid soppy thing...

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Bunnymumy · 26/07/2020 12:56

You'll be a stupid soppy thing dating an ice queen bitch from hell if you aren't careful dude. Trust me, it isnt pretty. I lived with a female narcissist once and saw the way she treated her guy. It was part of the way I realised what she was. She basically sucked the soul out of the poor fecker. Then when she was dating again after, I got to see how she started these 'relationships'. She would give it 'woe is me, my life is so hard, my bf left me waaaaah' and basically make out she was some damsel in distress for them to rescue. And they fell for it hook line and sinker. And once she had them, she lost interest.

I wish I'd paid more attention and not made excuses for her. But I was already sucjed in my this point, as her bf had been. Now I know how to spot the signs and dobtblet anyonevlike her,male or female into my life. They are poison. Run.