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Does this sound like Aspergers?

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horribledads · 05/07/2020 17:10

It's been suggested that my dad might have Aspergers. He has never been tested as far as I know. My dad is not a particularly nice person, so please don't take this to mean that people with Aspergers aren't nice.

He has no problem making eye contact or getting jokes. In fact he can be very funny when he wants.

He used to tell us that he never wanted children and that he had us because my mother kept forgetting to take contraception. He used to get very drunk and drive us places. When he was meant to be looking after us he would drink and fall asleep often burning holes in the furniture where he dropped a cigarette.

He said he never wanted to have a family or get married and he would sit in the shed by himself drinking. He wanted complete silence at the dinner table. He would hit me on the hands with the back of a knife if I held my knife or fork wrong.

He was always after an argument and we would scatter when he got in drunk. He once picked me up and threw me up a flight of stairs He liked to quietly wind us up by doing the same thing repetitively.

He moved very far away to another country and lived by himself in a field for a long time (20 years). He has never had another long term relationship.

He tells you exactly what he thinks with no consideration for your feelings. For example, when I was a child I bought him a CD and when I asked him if he liked it, he said no, the recording is bad. I also bought him very expensive tickets for a show, he was in the best seats I could afford and he told me that the sound was bad and he didn't enjoy it.

When he moved away I asked if he wanted to meet before he left and he said no, he didn't have time.

He would call very early on a Sunday, 7am and I would ask him not to call so early and he would start ranting about how I should be up and how lazy I was. When I said that it was the only day I got to lie in past 7am, he said that didn't matter.

He has no worries about telling you something negative about your appearance. For example, your hair looks dry. Your legs look fat.

Does that sound like Aspergers as someone suggested that to him or do you think it's something else? I don't know anything about Aspergers really, so apologies again if this is wrong.

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horribledads · 05/07/2020 17:50

He's not being deliberately hurtful when he tells you what he thinks at all. He just answers your question with no consideration for your feelings.

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PlanDeRaccordement · 05/07/2020 17:50

There is no way to tell if he has Aspbergers or not because none of the child abuse you have detailed has anything to do with being autistic. In addition, Aspbergers does not cause deliberate child abuse. Many loving parents have autism and don’t abuse their children. Sorry you went through that abuse OP.

If anything, he may have a personality disorder as those do cause people to abuse others as collateral damage (deliberate but not the intention). Or he just may be a nasty person.

bluejelly · 05/07/2020 17:51

Whatever the reason behind his behaviour I think you need to focus on your needs, not him. Sounds like you had an incredibly tough childhood Thanks
Have you had any counselling to help you process it?

pooopypants · 05/07/2020 17:56

He sound like a nasty, vindictive, abusive cunt

I wouldn't waste another second wondering what or why, cut contact and leave him to rot in his bitterness

NotaCoolMum · 05/07/2020 18:00

No- he just sounds an alcoholic bastard.

Gunpowder · 05/07/2020 20:29

I don’t know about ASD but he doesn’t sound like a good dad. I’m sorry OP. Flowers None of it is your fault.

horribledads · 05/07/2020 20:57

Thank you everyone and I realise how this may look. I am not in any way suggesting that he would behave like this because of Aspergers. He also didn't act like this because of drinking because he hasn't drunk any alcohol in over 20 years and he behaves in exactly the same way. He can't drink due to health issues.

ASD does not make you abusive and I apologise if that's the way what I wrote came across.

I was just wondering if certain traits he has such as the direct way of speaking, inability to have an intimate relationship for nearly 30 years, disengagement from his own children and grandchildren etc may be from ASD.

However, the majority are saying no, that's it's just him being abusive and he doesn't have any traits. I am trying to process why my own father is so fucking cruel and it seems as though it's because that's the way he is. He's just a cruel bastard.

I don't think it has anything to do with me. He's done a lot worse than I've outlined here and I really appreciate people taking the time to tell me to look after myself. I do. I don't have anything to do with him as he's not a nice person. I thought he would change when he gave up drinking but he's exactly the same, so I gave up hope of there being any kind of relationship with him.

I appreciate all your comments.

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Robotindisguise · 05/07/2020 21:02

Well - your 17.47 response could be Aspergers. Plus your assessment that he doesn’t realise he’s being rude because he thinks he’s being honest. Just because having Aspergers =/= poor behaviour, doesn’t mean people with Aspergers can’t behave poorly...

Callingallskeletons · 05/07/2020 21:07

Worked with children & adults with autism + aspergers for over 15 years

Your father is an arsehole and an abusive drunk, it does not appear clearly that he has any form of aspergers, I wouldn’t bother looking for excuses for his behaviour- some people were just never meant to have kids

LordOftheRingz · 05/07/2020 21:13

People with Aspergers are not all angels. I think the drink might have been a way of dealing with the internal trauma. There are many undiagnosed adults. I am in not way excusing the behaviour and would recommend protecting yourself if its a worry, but if you are interested you might want to explore the possibility by doing your own research.

HeyAllYouCoolCatsNKittens · 05/07/2020 21:19

I think this is definitely pointing more towards sociopath.
There's only a few indications there for aspergers but a whole lot more for sociopathy.

horribledads · 05/07/2020 21:41

I also thought he may have sociopathic traits however he can be empathetic towards other people and animals, just not his own children. When he were toddlers, he would make us cry then leave us with my mum and go to work knowing she'd have to deal with us. He would also wind her up and set her on us as she was very physically aggressive. He told us that he was in the house because it was far too expensive to move out.

He was also sadistic, he enjoyed getting to people and winding them up. Just doing the same thing over and over again until they lost their temper.

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Zerrin13 · 05/07/2020 22:20

Forget him

Closetbeanmuncher · 05/07/2020 22:37

inability to have an intimate relationship

Because he can't keep up a "mask" 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Friends and acquaintances would only see the mask where as family see the whole sordid mess.

I have never met an aspie who behaves in this way. Stop looking for answers to explain this horrid behaviour and accept that some people are just born and die nasty pieces of work. It's just very unfortunate you had one of these as a parent.

If the poisonous twat ever tries to slither back into your life you know what to do.

Zoflorabore · 05/07/2020 22:51

My ds with Aspergers is the most kind hearted soul. He’s 17 and has a huge group of friends who love him to bits, he will kiss me in front of them and is so sensitive to others. Don’t get me wrong he can sometimes speak before thinking but he has such a lovely nature it’s never taken as offensive.

Your dad sounds like a prick.

I appreciate you have no knowledge of Aspergers and may be listening to what others have suggested but there is nothing at all here to even consider having this, he’s simply a prick. I’m sorry op Flowers

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 05/07/2020 23:10

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TimelyManor · 06/07/2020 09:10

He's not being deliberately hurtful when he tells you what he thinks at all

From a lot of the other things you've said about him it sounds like he was trying to hurt you. Some people's abuse can be very insidious.

differentnameforthis · 06/07/2020 09:31

No it doesn't. He is an abusive man.

MiniTheMinx · 06/07/2020 10:05

I don't think anyone can diagnose sociopathy or aspergers over the internet. The drinking combined with the cruelty towards those closest suggests he is a very damaged individual. You have said your grandfather was similar. I think your father pushed everyone away and rejected them because he felt ultimately they would reject him. It's a behaviour driven by a fear of being rejected. All of what you describe suggest him pushing and pushing others to turn away from him, testing them, but he has always to be the person to walk away and say he never cared.

I'm sorry your childhood was blighted by this. He sounds like a very unhappy man, but there is nothing you could have done, and none of it is your responsibility to fix. You are right to focus on your life and your children.

ArnoldSweatyknickers · 06/07/2020 10:32

My DS(21yo) has aspergers. He is the loveliest person, not an offensive bone in his body. He maintains good relationships with family members, and has several very close friendship groups. He is brutally honest though, but never in a nasty way.

It is possible to be an areshole and not have aspergers.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 06/07/2020 10:47

There are a few behaviours you are describing that can be present in people with Aspergers, but you can't diagnose someone from a brief, third party description on a we forum.

The people claiming they know/have a relative with Aspergers who doesn't behave like this, and therefore your father is simply a twat, are in no better a position to dismiss it entirely either. People with ASD are every bit as nuanced and distinct from each other as people who are neurotypical. There's no template that fits around ALL ASD people. Some are perfectly pleasant, some are twats, just like the NT population.

I have an ASD diagnosis, and I have no contact with my family because I have nothing in common with them, I don't enjoy their company, they're not people I would choose as friends, my parents were neglectful when I was a child, I find the 'forced merriment' of familial interactions insufferable, and I'm far happier not seeing them at all than I am begrudgingly going through the motions just for the sake of it. If that makes me a 'cunt' in the eyes of MN then I couldn't care less. It's who I am and I won't apologise for it.

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ShouldWeChangeTheBulb · 06/07/2020 11:03

Sounds far more likely to be a narcissist. Obviously to two things are not mutually exclusive but what you’ve said doesn’t scream ASD.
Whatever the reason for your Dad’s disgusting behaviour it isn’t your fault. You just got unlucky in the Dad lottery. I would stop trying to work out why he is the way he is and concentrate on the people on your life that deserve your love.

MartySouth · 06/07/2020 11:20

This sounds exactly like my DF! I am now 58 and have spent my whole life working out why he behaves like that. His behaviour has been so damaging.

When the young man recently threw a child off the roof of the Tate Gallery was reported to be autistic I was furious at the ignorance. I don't understand how people in this day and age can automatically equate autism with violence or psychopathy, or even mental illness for that matter. It's such a basic thing to misunderstand.

People on the autistic spectrum are not automatically violent sociopaths or psychopaths. Of course not. Some people on the spectrum are lovely and some are not, just like everyone else.

The thing is though, being autistic used to be incredibly hard (it still is of course but hopefully less so now there is more understanding) and many people on the spectrum were bullied and rejected and found it incredibly hard to maintain relationships and hold down jobs, the basic things everyone needs to feel ok about themselves and stay stable. A large part of not being able to make relationships or find suitable jobs may be because of other people's intolerance rather than their own 'fault' but the fact is that it can be enormously stressful and isolating to be autistic and this was especially true for people who grew up when there was less understanding. Having to live like this sometimes leads to mental health problems and reliance on crutches such as drugs and alcohol which inevitably means you can become a very unpleasant person to live with. This is just the sad side effect of autism not an intrinsic part of it.

If you have a child on the spectrum of course you want to tell the world how lovely they are. The thing is though, some people on the spectrum are not lovely just like people who are not on the spectrum. My DF I am sure is on the spectrum and I think he has to put up with awful bullying and exclusion which led to depression and alcoholism. He's also a bit of a bastard on top of that and he also grew up in a time when it was culturally ok for men to be rude and brusque and heavy drinkers and unempathetic so nobody challenged him and his behaviour became engrained. People are really complicated!

OP your father's behaviour is probably equally complex. It's quite helpful to try and work it out but the most important thing to think about is how it affected you and how you feel now. Protect yourself. Look after yourself. That's much more important than any diagnosis which will only ever explain a tiny fraction of his behaviour and never make up for what you experienced.

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