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Constantly deflecting with humour

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sunnyside303 · 23/06/2020 12:30

I am having some issues with my boyfriend of one year. For context, I am 30 and he is 31. We have fun together but that's all it seems to be - fun. He can't seem to talk about anything serious without making a joke of it. An example: I was very upset this weekend because we keep having little arguments that could be avoided with better communication. He point blank refused to talk to me about it at the weekend and when I brought it up yesterday he joked that I am an 'emotional terrorist' and he 'doesn't negotiate with terrorists'. Before I went over to his yesterday I asked if I could bring anything and he joked 'an emotionally stable version of yourself'.

I don't know whether I am overreacting but I would just like to be taken seriously and for him to indicate that he cares about my feelings. He also refuses to talk about the future with me.

He was single for 6 years before me and perhaps this explains his behaviour - he just doesn't know how to be in a relationship. My worry is that if we can't have honest conversations about our relationship without him constantly deflecting, we won't be able to deal with issues as they arise and that is not a recipe for a healthy relationship.

Does anyone else have experience of this or advice in overcoming it? There are lots of good things about our relationship but I feel that being able to talk about issues and having feelings and emotions validated is fundamental to a successful relationship and that it's not a good sign that he can't seem to recognise this.

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newname333 · 23/06/2020 21:00

[quote tryinghardtobezen]@sunnyside303 can I ask; what is your relationship with your mum like and what have her relationships with men been like?

Cos as a mother I would be practically
dragging my daughter away from any man as emotionally absent/abusive as this, so am unsure as to why she’s practically encouraging/enabling it?![/quote]
My mum seems to always say the wrong thing. Literally just now we were talking about the two extra pillows I have ordered for the bed in my new house and she said 'well you don't really need those anymore'. She claims that it is because the ones I already have are very firm but we all
know that is bullshit.

My dad had numerous affairs when I was a teenager and she took him back. They are now together but living separately.

tryinghardtobezen · 23/06/2020 22:14

Wow ok. So sounds like she’s totally settled and made her peace with that and what’s going on here (and everytime you the time be better than ‘staying with a man who repeatedly betrayed and cheated on you after you birthed his children’) is you’re triggering her own shit, and she hasn’t dealt with her own shit and she doesn’t want to LOOK at her own shit, so she will drag you by her fingernails down to her level to keep her lead feeling safe in her choices. Horrible as that sounds, that’s what it seems to be. We’ve all had friends like this and sadly some people even have mums like this. They can’t bear you to outgrow them in any way - even (And especially) if the growth is emotionally positive and means confronting their own baggage and/or losing control/hierarchy over their relationship with you.

(Not trying to drag you down a path you don’t want to go down but might be worth looking into enmeshed mothers at some point. She seems to be very involved in your life dictating whether you need new pillows etc....usually the reason we tolerate shitty/controlling behaviours from partners is because we’ve either had it modelled to us (clearly you have) and/or that’s how our parents treated us so we believe that’s love. Sad but annoyingly very true) x

tryinghardtobezen · 23/06/2020 22:17

Argh typos, sorry.
‘Everytime you try to be better than’ it should say
‘Keep her feeling safe’ (not sure where lead came from)

And also if this doesn’t ring true - ignore me. It’s just ringing bells for me and stuff I’ve seen with my friends. X

newname333 · 24/06/2020 00:48

He knows something is up because he messaged asking what I wanted to do on Sunday (when I will next see him) and I said it would be best not to make any plans. He knows what's coming and he has messaged to say 'I feel sad because I want to make you happy' and now I am wavering...

Gutterton · 24/06/2020 00:54

He doesn’t want to make you happy - he just wants to keep you subdued and unable to express or “bother” him with your emotions.

There is no real RS without emotional intimacy - its just shallow and emotionally immature.

Is that what you need or want?

newname333 · 24/06/2020 00:56

He's not a bad person...do you think he could change?

NoMoreDickheads · 24/06/2020 00:56

'I feel sad because I want to make you happy' and now I am wavering

That's bollox, he wanted to hurt you with his calling you emotionally unstable etc. He doesn't want to make you happy, he just wants to keep whatever he's getting out of the relationship coming. Part of what he's getting out of it is the amusement of poking fun AT you, making disrespectful comments and you letting him get away with it. It's bullying, basically.

newname333 · 24/06/2020 00:56

@Gutterton

He doesn’t want to make you happy - he just wants to keep you subdued and unable to express or “bother” him with your emotions.

There is no real RS without emotional intimacy - its just shallow and emotionally immature.

Is that what you need or want?

Thank you for the reality check. I'm just so sad
newname333 · 24/06/2020 02:09

I know I sound absolutely pathetic but how do I get all the good times/good memories out of my head and move on?

i'm also sad that I will no longer be in the circle of friends he has - their loyalty will be with him understandably.

HypatiaCade · 24/06/2020 03:02

He doesn't want to make you happy, he wants to make you laugh.

Laughing doesn't indicate true happiness.

If he really wanted to make you happy he would listen to you and talk to you. But he doesn't want to do that does he?!

HypatiaCade · 24/06/2020 03:06

You need to let him know that you need something more serious, and a relationship is more than just about having laughs. You clearly still like him, he sounds quite likeable as a friend actually. Maybe you could remain friends.

Re the friends, pick one or two that you really like after you break up with him and contact them.

Explain that lovely as your ex was he just never wanted to be serious, and you felt it was time to be more serious so it just couldn't work out. Also explain that you hope you can remain friends with your ex, as he is lovely. See how they respond. You might not lose them, or at least not all of them.

TheStoic · 24/06/2020 03:58

I know I sound absolutely pathetic but how do I get all the good times/good memories out of my head and move on?

Every time you think of a good memory, think of yourself literally begging for him to have a proper conversation with you.

He might not be the worst guy in the world, but what about you? Is that the person YOU want to be? Someone who begs for emotional attention from a man?

Zaphodsotherhead · 24/06/2020 09:39

@newname333

He knows something is up because he messaged asking what I wanted to do on Sunday (when I will next see him) and I said it would be best not to make any plans. He knows what's coming and he has messaged to say 'I feel sad because I want to make you happy' and now I am wavering...
He might 'want' to make you happy, but he has neither the equipment nor the emotional intelligence to do so. I'm sure he's not a bad man, but he can't do any form of relationship that isn't superficial and requires his partner to have no emotions that he doesn't agree to and can relate to.

'Wanting' and actually 'doing' are two very different things.

You will find someone else and a new circle of friends. He isn't the only man in the world, thankfully.

ravenmum · 24/06/2020 10:43

'I feel sad because I want to make you happy'
Does this refer to his "jokes"?
So far, the only "joke" we have heard is "bring an emotionally stable version of yourself". You know that is not a joke, right? He upset you, you reacted upset, and instead of apologisig for upsetting you, he told you that you are emotionally unstable. Except that instead of handing you that turd directly, he's wrapped it up in the sparkly wrapping paper of a "joke" so that you cannot say "You said I am emotionally unstable".
How has he actually made you happy?

RedCarBluePlane · 24/06/2020 11:53

But he knows that having deeper conversations about feelings and growing emotional intimacy is what would make you happy and he doesn’t want to do it.

What he means is he likes your relationship when it’s happy and fun and light.

backseatcookers · 24/06/2020 18:36

I think you need to reassess your definition of 'jokes'.

He isn't deflecting with jokes.

He's deflecting with dismissive, insulting and critical statements.

That isn't the same thing.

It's nasty and shows he thinks he can say whatever he wants to you and you won't leave.

Don't you want to prove him wrong on that arrogant viewpoint?

madcatladyforever · 24/06/2020 19:09

It isn't humour though is it. It's passive aggressive with the emphasis on aggressive and a way of shutting you up because he doesn't want to listen to you oe deal with you.
It isn't funny and it isn't making me laugh.
I'd dump anyone for that behaviour.

madcatladyforever · 24/06/2020 19:12

And no, he doesn't want to "make you happy". he doesn't want to be dumped and have to find someone else to have sex with at such short notice.
If he wanted to make you happy he would have done it already.
When is the fictional starting when he will actually start making you happy. It obviously hasn't started yet,

Crispsnatcher · 24/06/2020 19:45

If I were you OP, I would reply to his message with "LOL!" and then just dump his ass.

newname333 · 24/06/2020 20:31

Ffs so I basically ended it over text which is NOT what I wanted to do. I got carried away with trying to explain everything so whilst I didn't say 'it's over', that was the general jist. I've messaged him saying I'd really like to talk to him if he is able, and apologising for it all coming out over text and he is just ignoring me. I don't know if it's because he's upset or whether he's deliberately doing it to make this more difficult for me but I'm honestly finding it so painful.

I had so many hopes for this relationship and tried so hard to make it work and for him to understand. I just wish it wasn't like this.

Crispsnatcher · 24/06/2020 20:40

You tried your best OP. Maybe this experience will give him something to think on. Dont settle for less than you're worth x

newname333 · 24/06/2020 23:26

@Crispsnatcher

You tried your best OP. Maybe this experience will give him something to think on. Dont settle for less than you're worth x
Maybe he just doesn't care? Maybe he is doing this to torture me because he knows I want to discuss it?

I cried in Morrisons because I saw some garlic bread that reminded me of him. I need to get a grip!

How on earth do people get over relationships that are much more long term? This is truly torture and I actually feel quite embarrassed about my reaction

MitziK · 25/06/2020 03:54

I saw some garlic bread that reminded me of him

Cheap and smelly?

ravenmum · 25/06/2020 08:14

I had so many hopes for this relationship and tried so hard to make it work and for him to understand
This is one reason it hurts - not because you have lost what you had, but because you have lost what you could have had. What you imagined having. When you're only a year in, you might be imagining a whole lifetime.

He didn't want to talk seriously when you were together, to improve the relationship. If he thinks it's over anyway, he'll be even less motivated to discuss anything with you. What's in it for him? Plus he's probably aready had exactly that discussion before and doesn't want a repeat.

Zaphodsotherhead · 25/06/2020 09:12

It hurts so much because you are filling in the gaps. You've projected forward to a life together and that's now gone, so you've sort of lost your whole imaginary life, if you see what I mean.

But he wasn't the one for you. Maybe he's gone quiet because he's just moved on to the next 'light, fun, undemanding. relationship, which he will also find goes wrong because nobody can not talk about feelings forever! My XP couldn't. We did eight years but eventually his lack of any kind of inner depth, or ability to discuss in detail anything except cars made me realise I'd rather be alone with my dog.

She doesn't talk much, but she demonstrates that she loves me on an hourly basis.