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Her demands are overbearing.

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Sunflowersok · 03/06/2020 09:51

I need a rant about my mother, and how overbearing she is with her demands for me to take responsibility for her life.

She constantly asks for so much off people with a sense of entitlement that you her owe what she needs. She does not work. This was partly due to mental illness years ago but for the past few years she’s been making excuses not to. She will often, often!!! Play the victim. It’s like making up this victim scenario is what gets her by in life. I’ve tried helping her in the past setting her life up, getting a home for her. She has often had solutions to every single one of her issues but it’s like she enjoys playing the ‘poor me’ card.

She asks me a lot for money. Every week maybe. She lives with her son who is a few years younger than me who also is also entitled. He lives like a child in her home and rinses her. Will not cook for himself etc. He’s 25. He’s had so many job losses over his attitude not getting his own way at work I’ve lost count. At the moment he’s managed to keep one for the first 2 years of his life. He earns more than me. But for some reason barely pays anything towards her rent and he blows the rest on himself. If you need an idea of how much money He spends, over the past two years he Must be on to his fourth or fifth sports car. He will buy these, spend thousand on the insurance, pull them apart, kit them up, reckless drive, write them off, buy another outright in cash. Rinse and repeat. My mum is constantly asking for ‘scraps of coffee’ she is that skint. I know the first thought is to blame by brother for his shitty behaviour towards her, but she encourages it from him. I’m here working full time but having to feed my DD and run my home. Before I met my partner I had no savings at the end of the month as my income was stretched. She will not ask him for money because ‘He is only a baby’ and ‘but he works so hard for it’ or ‘but he has just bought another car so he doesn’t have any’ and instead expects me to fund her instead.

If I say no to her, she will make me feel so bad that I either give in, or she will send me nasty passive aggressive messages. I have called her outright once after she had me in tears for going on a night away with my partner to the theatre after refusing her a 100 loan. The night had been planned for 2 months and I wouldn’t have been able to go if I had loaned her.

She’s constantly asking for favours. Constantly. During lockdown it was ‘will you go to the shop for me’ or if you are ‘passing can you drop a scrap of washing powder off...’ (knowing full well i will just buy her a box, and if I say no, she will make me feel bad because it’s “only a scrap” of washing powder). Will you nip here for me. She knows I’m self isolating. She messages me every day with these demands. I live 20 minutes away from her so it’s a 40 minute round trip. I am working from home full time. I am homeschooling. She knows I can not run my daughter around here there and everywhere in the current conditions. Her son is furloughed at the moment but is ‘ Too busy working on his car’. She lives A 2 minute walk from the shop. She has no commitments.

She used to do this when I was working 2 hours away. I would leave the house for 6, get to work for 8, not Return home until 7 most nights. She would ask me to do a full shop for her on the way home from work, maybe twice a week, when I was knackered and all I wanted was to get home, get showered, put the washing on and eat. With the money she borrowed off me. She could have easily been shopping in that time I was working. If I said no she made me Feel bad because I was ‘passing the supermarket anyway’. She has often bitched about me to
her sister making me look like the ungrateful daughter. If I ignore her messages about favours, she will sent passive aggressive messages like ‘oh its fine I’ll just starve then’ or ‘I’ll hide from the bailiffs I’m sure they won’t find me’.

I confronted her after the theatre incident. She denied it all. And then it settled for a bit about the money, she never asked until Christmas came when she ended up getting a loan for a lavish Christmas of food and gifts, knowing she couldn’t afford repayments and would could just ask me to pay it back.

Yesterday she asked me to loan 40 for council tax as she was in trouble. I asked her how much she owed. She said 80 but she planned to pay a bit and then pay more when she could. I told her it might be better to ring them up and ask them to make a payment plan and put a few quid extra on her bill over the year to spread the cost, rather than borrowing off people and wondering where she will scrape the money up to pay people back. She said she will thInk about it. I gave her a perfect solution To her problem but she messaged back and said ‘I’ve thought about it and decided to pay the 40 now instead’. Meaning of my money. She had a solution for her issue and she decided It was my responsibility to pay it.

I don’t mind helping her out here and there but by doing so I am feeding in to my brothers lifestyle and their ridiculous head in the sand attitude to responsibility over their lives. I’m so very fed up. She’s been like this as long as I can remember and I just needed to write it all down.

OP posts:
PinkCatty · 03/06/2020 12:59

Remember: you cannot change someone else. You can only change yourself

This, with bells

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 12:59

She’s not abusive or anything

Well, she is.

She's financially abusing you at the very least

Bananalanacake · 03/06/2020 13:03

Aren't you worried your brother is going to kill himself in an accident if he writes off every car he buys,

MoreSchnitzelPlease · 03/06/2020 13:08

OP, I think you need to stop having your mum as childcare for two days a week, if at all possible. It is a lot easier to go low contact, or be a grey rock, if you are not beholden to her every week. You can say it doesn't work for you anymore and you will no longer need her help. She is using the childcare against you. As other posters have said, is she going to treat your daughter the same way she treats you? Does she already get your daughter to run errands for her? If she asked your daughter for washing powder, money, food, how would your daughter be able to say no?

I know it is really hard to stay firm. I do not have a relationship with my mother, a few texts a year and that's it. It is so tough, I want things to be different, but being in contact with her was awful for my mental health. I had to protect myself. You deserve to protect yourself, and your daughter should be protected from your mum too. You had to leave home when you were very young, in order to protect yourself. I understand you think your mum will behave differently with your daughter, but she won't. And you can't take the risk. Your mum can still see her grandchild, but you should be there too. Meet on neutral ground, put a time limit on it. If she starts asking for money or anything like that, end the meet up as quickly as possible and go home.

SuperSange · 03/06/2020 13:10

@Bananalanacake That's not really the concern of the OP, is it? He's a grown up. He can do as he pleases. The best you can hope for is that he has an accident which doesn't harm anyone else.

MatildaTheCat · 03/06/2020 13:14

Remember: you cannot change someone else. You can only change yourself

And whilst you have all the right advice here and good intentions now, the only way you will make those changes longer term is to get some decent therapy.

Good luck and best wishes.

Sunflowersok · 03/06/2020 13:18

@Bananalanacake of course I am. He’s already put us through hell Once out of stupidity when he ended up in a coma having life saving brain surgery. He is invincible in his eyes, but as much as I’ve tried offering my advice he is his own person and will not change unless he wants to

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Bettysnow · 03/06/2020 13:19

I would be extremely worried that she collects your child from school twice a week. You said in a previous post about the horrific things she said about her own sister when she was annoyed with her. She could be saying anything to your child about you when enraged? The instability coupled with what is evidently a nasty streak would really give me cause for concern that she has the child. Im not saying she would say anything but there is a high chance she would based on her behaviour.
I too would tell her that you are struggling yourself financially so you can't loan anything else. In fact tell her before she gets the chance to ask again.
As someone previously said do this enough times and eventually she will turn her anger on your brother which hopefully could force him to start paying his way.
Please don't feel guilty. She clearly doesn't budget/hands the money to your brother as she knows you her safety net will pay for it. All this worrying/ energy loss is ultimately is taking your time and attention off your own child. Your own mother is actually taking way more important things off you than just money

ToelessPobble · 03/06/2020 13:28

I think the only suggestion I would have is to offer to write your mum a budget out of what she can spend where. There are lots of online budgeting sheets or apps. I would probably do two, one with money from your brother and one without and then be clear you cannot help any more so she will need to stick to it. I suggest this for your sake not hers, so that you know you have done everything you can to help her be independent. And then for your sanity step back. If she gets into debt then she gets into debt and will have to deal with that and learn from it. If she says she is getting into debt send her to the CAB, CAP or CMA or one or the many other debt agencies. They can help her deal with the debts but will also be very clear about her responsibilities. And be kind to yourself. I know it will be so hard and you will feel guilty as your mum.has taught you over a very long time to be the parent and responsible for her. It takes time to change that mindset.

ToelessPobble · 03/06/2020 13:30

In regards to electricity your brother might learn by sitting in the dark unable to use devices. Offer to lend a torch not pay the bill. It stays light until late at the moment so won't be dangerous even if it is unpleasant. It may be what your brother needs and he may then put some money on the card.

DoIneed1 · 03/06/2020 13:33

Op have no doubt that your mother will turn on your dd in due course. Might not be for a few years yet, but she will. You need to protect yourself and your family from your mother and your brother.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 03/06/2020 13:36

Somebody up thread said all she wants from you is money but I disagree. I think she wants your attention too. She needs attention from people as she needs to be the star of her show. Her show may be a tragedy (poor me sitting in the dark betrayed by my faithless child) but she's the star. You are a bit player. Any little interaction feeds into her performance, even a brief, firm no from you will give her drama. The less you give her the better.

BumbleBeee69 · 03/06/2020 13:41

she's at it.. she's ONLY 51.. start saying NO.. to everything OP.. it's liberating Grin

CorianderLord · 03/06/2020 13:43

God the 'scrap' phrase would drive me barmy. I'd tell her you're not helping any more if she refuses to make her son contribute.

I myself am 25. Live away from home, pay my own bills, have my own life, couldn't afford a sports car if I tried but I'm perfectly able to run my own home so he clearly could pay rent.

A 'scrap of' indeed - is she Oliver Twist?

She's not treating you like her daughter, so don't treat her like your mum.

Deelish75 · 03/06/2020 13:46

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

Somebody up thread said all she wants from you is money but I disagree. I think she wants your attention too. She needs attention from people as she needs to be the star of her show. Her show may be a tragedy (poor me sitting in the dark betrayed by my faithless child) but she's the star. You are a bit player. Any little interaction feeds into her performance, even a brief, firm no from you will give her drama. The less you give her the better.
Agree, I don't think it's just about money, it's about having you running around for her. It's games of control - Sunflower would probably be at home now doing whatever Sunflower wants to do but she isn't because she running around the supermarket whilst I sit here doing my own thing.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/06/2020 13:46

I’m going to stop giving in to any attempt to loan her anything. I’m going to say politely no to any request to go shopping for her as she has my brother there

A wise decision, OP - after too long spent enabling this, you're clearly starting to realise that she won't change so the only answer is for you to

It won't be easy of course; she'll spout even more poison to others, probably develop sudden "serious illnesses" and ramp up her unpleasantness towards you to a level you've barely dreamed of, but if you can just hold on and get through this stage you can move on to a much better situation

And won't that be worth it in the end?

Sunflowersok · 03/06/2020 13:50

@PastMyBestBeforeDate I agree with the attention thing. She wants to be seen as poor. She wants the pity.

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Keepingthingsinteresting · 03/06/2020 14:02

You said she isn’t abusive, but this is clearly emotional abuse. Probably also financial- certainly would have no issue calling it that if it was a partner behaving this way.

Horrible and not fair, but you will have to be the strong one “mum, I can’t lend you money anymore. I suggest you bask [son] to contribute from next month- you’re giving him some notice so he can prepare. I hope this doesn’t affect our relationship, but I can’t afford for things to go on like they are “. Then just ignore every passive aggressive email/ message

CorianderLord · 03/06/2020 14:02

You left at 13 because of her behaviour and so she tried to kill herself and now makes you constantly do things for her even when she's hours away? Babe, that's abusive....

UncleShady · 03/06/2020 14:03

If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got.

You know what you need to do, you know its going to be unpleasant and she's going to ramp up the calls (that's going to be a good test, isn't it - if she finds the money to put on her phone) But it's a perfect time with no school and lockdown to put an end to the childcare. Because she will start on your DD at some point.

Rabblemum · 03/06/2020 14:06

Your mum is acting like a child, she needs to learn to budget. Offer to find someone to help her get all the benefits she’s entitled to. Tell her it’s not her job to look after her but you will help her look after herself.

You’re enabling your mum to behave in a very overly dependent way, deep down she knows this behaviour is rubbish and it’s bringing down her self esteem.

TheSparklyPussycat · 03/06/2020 14:17

Tbh I’d Be inclined to threaten to get adult guardianship and control over her finances via MH services and court because her lack of financial control and foresight re budgets is leaving her very vulnerable.

That's not how it works. At all. Anyway, she has capacity, and is not seriously neglecting herself.

Jux · 03/06/2020 14:21

Have you spoken to your brother about this? I'd be tearing him a new one over his behaviour.

ExShield · 03/06/2020 14:40

This podcast is helpful for difficult mothers.

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-life-coach-school-podcast/id870239631

rosiethehen · 03/06/2020 14:45

I had one of those. She got dumped as soon as I was able to squirm out of her cold grasp.

Do not waste your life pandering to this parasite like behaviour. You only get one life. Walk away otherwise you'll end up looking after her in old age then you will literally have no life.