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Am I abusive? Or is lockdown getting to me?

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Missconsolate · 15/05/2020 16:42

I think lockdown might be bringing out the worst in me, and in my relationship. What I don't know is whether it is bringing fundamental problems with me and my relationship to light, or whether this is a bump in the road.

My partner and I have been together for eight years - my only really serious relationship, and his too. We have always spent a lot of time together, if anything I occasionally want some more time to myself but generally we are quite happy living in each other's pockets. Our friends joke about us really being one person. We've been through some extremely difficult times together - bereavement, depression, unemployment, and bad money worries - and have always seemed to come out of it still rock solid, especially to the outside world. I think we've both always felt that we had each found our soulmate.

But one issue I've had for a long time is that I am quite emotionally unstable. I can be very impatient and dismissive when stressed, which is quite often as I have a very demanding job. I also tend to convince myself that I am not good enough at what I do, that he doesn't really love me, etc, which makes me get snappy and upset. More than that, when we have disagreements, it has the capacity to spiral out of control. Previously, our arguments haven't been such a problem - we would both give as good as we got, the arguments were about genuine and usually interesting disagreements we had, we tolerated the difference of opinion, and there was always a limit to the level of argument. But more recently (I'd say in the last year or so, but particularly during lockdown), even small squabbles seem to turn into huge meta-arguments about 'the way in which' we are arguing (e.g. who is interrupting the most, being really pedantic about what was set to set the argument off, who is acting contemptuous of whom, etc). These days, there always seems to come a point where I am so frustrated by the whole thing, and by him not seeming to listen to what I am saying, that I lose control and start really screaming at him. And when that happens, generally he tells me to f* off, I tell him that I hate him and want him to leave and break up with me. Sometimes, and this is a much more recent development, I will say something worse, like a veiled threat to hurt myself. (I had issues with depression and self-harm as a teenager, and when I feel really frustrated I do feel the old impulse to do something stupid, but I am also pretty sure I wouldn't act on it any more. I don't know why I have vocalised these impulses on one or two occasions, I guess I've just needed to express how angry and frustrated I was feeling).

After the argument, when things have cooled down about, he will usually give me the silent treatment for a little while. When we talk about it, the discussion will usually revolve around my blowing up, how it's got to stop, and how I've got to stop invoking the possibility of us breaking-up when one of these huge blowouts happens. Generally, I cry - a lot. But we do ultimately reassure each other that we love each other, will always be together and will make it work.

I realise that this is super-unhealthy and it is making both of us unhappy. I also realise that I do have real problems with volatility and anger. Is it abusive, how I behave during these arguments? I'm really worried that it is.

At the same time, though, I do feel that the focus on what I've done wrong eclipses his behaviour, in particular his failure to listen to me, that made me so frustrated in the first place. And he's even said previously, in the post-argument talk, that whatever he did 'just doesn't matter' by comparison to me. A particular problem I'm having is that I do genuinely feel the language and tone he adopts, when we are having some minor squabble, is quite unpleasant and sneery or dismissive. For example, he always accuses me of 'blowing up' or 'going off on one' or 'ranting and raving' when I pick him up on something minor, which actually isn't the case. I find this type of accusation, and how easily he makes it, really hurtful (not least because I am conscious of, and ashamed of, the occasions where I have 'ranted and raved'), and this is often what precipitates the bigger blow-out that ensues.

A good example is what has happened this afternoon. I told him about the Irish Taoiseach going back to work as a doctor for one day per week, and asked him whether he thought this was a good thing or just a gimmick and no actual use to anyone. He corrected me on my pronunciation of 'Taoiseach'. I genuinely didn't mind my pronunciation being corrected as such, but retorted (perfectly calmly) that it was rude, petty and pedantic to focus on my pronunciation rather than engage with what could have been an interesting discussion about whether Leo Varadkar might actually be a c after all. He said it was perfectly legitimate, and after a little back and forth it quickly got to the point where he was saying that I must just have a really thin skin and couldn't bear to be corrected, and that that was pathetic. He said that I had 'gone off on one' as soon as he corrected me and that if I hadn't 'just blown up' he would have had a chance to engage with what I said. In the course of all this, I admit I got super angry and frustrated, and picked up a kitchen knife from the counter next to me (I was making us a sandwich at the time) and jammed it into the chopping board. He was on the other side of the kitchen. Obviously, I just did it as an outlet for my frustration, I never meant to hurt or frighten him at all. It really horrifies me that he might think that was my intention. But he then went off, saying that 'I had really f** it this time', that that was the worst thing I had ever done, and if I couldn't see that then 'I was completely gone in the head' and it would be completely over for us.

To be honest, I'm not sure I know what is normal and what's abnormal any more. Is it completely beyond the pale and abusive to pick up a knife during a heated argument and stick it in a chopping board? I know I shouldn't have done it, but is it much worse than that? Or is his reaction actually a bit overblown, as I do feel it is when he unfairly accuses me of 'ranting and raving' at the drop of a hat?

And from other posters' experience, do our communication difficulties and anger issues seem too serious to make this relationship viable? Do I need to recognise that he might be better off without me, because I do see that how I behave is sometimes unacceptable and frankly manipulative? If we can make it work, how? Things do seem to have been so much worse during lockdown, and not being able to go to work as normal and see friends has taken its toll (at the same time though, things have been better during lockdown too, in lots of ways - we've both commented on how lucky we are to have each other at the moment), but is just resolving to 'cut each other some more slack' enough in the circumstances?

I really can't imagine starting again without him. We really do love each other - at least, I love him - and our lives are completely intertwined and have been for so long. I'm at an age where I want to start having children pretty soon - I had always imagined they would be his.

I would really appreciate some advice. He's still out of the house, having stormed off to think about things, and I'm feeling a bit lost at sea.

OP posts:
Lovingmylife · 15/05/2020 16:47

I think you both need some help.

Reallynowdear · 15/05/2020 16:53

The knife incident is dangerous and completely unacceptable.

Why did you call him three insults names when he corrected your pronunciation?

Can you ever have a conversation about a subject you disagree about or does it always end in an argument?

Viviennemary · 15/05/2020 16:56

You sound stressed and quick to react but he sounds goady and deliberately annoying. It's a difficult time for a lot of people. When you've both calmed down think about whether it is time to call it a day. But sounds as if you want to stay together. A lot of couples argue and still stay together.

OhCaptain · 15/05/2020 16:57

Jesus. Regardless of who is doing what this is so toxic.

It needs to end. Immediately.

12345kbm · 15/05/2020 17:15

OP have you ever been assessed for anything? I suggest you get assessed by a psychiatrist. If you can afford a private assessment, that's what I would go for as it's more expeditious. You may be able to learn to manage your aggression and what sounds like, emotional dysregulation, with therapy and medication.

In the meantime, I advise you to separate at least temporarily from your partner as it sounds as though your aggression is escalating.

There's an organisation called Respect you could call for advice and information.

itchyfinger · 15/05/2020 17:19

OP I could have written your post. When I am stressed or frustrated I have the tendency to blow up, but I also find my DH to be quite antagonistic (he comes from a long line of men who are goady and like to say things to wind people up) and is also very uncaring when I am upset, which makes me more frustrated. Then things blow hugely out of proportion and what was initially a small disagreement becomes a massive fight about our relationship, our behaviours etc. I also begin to feel very overwhelmed with my emotions (like you also had depression in the past and notice these feelings coming back)

Personally I think the knife in frustration was a bit too far. But you weren't intending on hurting or threatening, it was a reaction to feeling stressed.

I dont think that this is necessarily a sign of a toxic relationship, if the rest of the time it's very good. I think the actual anger and communication issues need to be addressed, maybe with couples therapy. I have considered this a lot myself, as I believe the big arguments often stem from bad communication.

I dont have much other advice to offer (clearly as I'm experiencing the same thing!) But dont be hard on yourself. Some people have fiery tempers and some dont.

pppp0p0p777 · 15/05/2020 17:19

Well, whether you stay together or not, regardless of his behaviour, it sounds as though you need to control your behaviour.

I mean that's not good and you do know this really which is why you're here. (As an aside what sort of example did your parents set? Worth thinking about).

Unless you're dripfeeding it sounds like you're taking offence when none is intended and cannot pause and consider whether the other person has a point. (Would you be like that with a colleague? ...)

There are all sorts of self-help techniques and counseling that can help and they can work so don't dispair.

The other thing is, is here a biological component to this? I ask because my own temper was (many years ago) pretty much as bad though it was more tantrums than arguments. But I recognize your description of the 0-60mph temper.
Have you kept a diary of this?
In my case it was PMS and recognizing that made all the difference. When the volcano started to rumble it was time to be wrapped up on the sofa in a blanket with a carb-rich snack and not move.
Other things are lack of sleep and blood sugar fluctuations. Simple stuff that can be addressed by meal planning, no caffeine after lunch, and putting screens away in the evening.

But this really needs sorting so don't stick your head in the sand, TAKE ACTION and start by at least sitting down away from sharp objects if you're not calm.

MoneyWhatMoney · 15/05/2020 17:57

I think there seem to be 2 issues here.

1 is your inability to control yourself. It's ok to be angry but screaming at a partner, veiled self harm threats and jabbing the knife are unacceptable.
You also seem quite touchy about something as little as having your pronunciation corrected - in your shoes I would have just said "you know what I meant" and carried on the conversation.

You need some counselling to find techniques to help you manage your emotions better.

The other side is the dynamic in your relationship. You 'blow up' so this is now your allocated role. As you've said, this now gets thrown at you regardless of if you've shouted or not and is treated as the one issue in your relationship, which it isn't.

I used to be quite similar. Counselling has helped me to stop shouting and can keep the argument on the issue in hand.
DH & I now have 'rules' when we disagree. We don't interrupt, but we each get to speak. We can call time and have some space if we need it. We don't swear or call each other names, no matter how angry we are. And we talk about the issue, after the argument is over and we're both calm. Would your OH have a discussion with you about ground rules? Or would he simply state you're the issue and not entertain anything else?

Aerial2020 · 15/05/2020 18:01

This seems like a co dependant relationship and very toxic.
Not good for either of you.

catsandlavender · 15/05/2020 18:01

So it sounds as though you’re both in a cycle where you just antagonise each other. You don’t approach anything as a team and you clearly have no respect for each other. Honestly, it sounds like he’s picked up on a weakness of yours (your anger) and exploits it because... he’s right, you do blow up and go too far, and it’s not acceptable to be making threats to hurt yourself. That’s incredibly manipulative (I did this occasionally as a teenager I’m not judging, I would say the same to myself back then!!!)
I think you need to end this relationship, there’s so much resentment on both sides. I imagine you feel as though you feel as though you aren’t angry but then he keeps saying you’re really angry and then it MAKES you blow up and he’s proven right.

HOWEVER, with all my trying to empathise as you have come to a forum for help, I have to say that if my partner (male or female) stuck a knife in a chopping board during an argument I would be absolutely terrified. And if I did this myself I would be terrified too. You NEED space.

sammylady37 · 15/05/2020 18:06

Is it completely beyond the pale and abusive to pick up a knife during a heated argument and stick it in a chopping board?

Yes, it’s completely unacceptable. And, to invoke a MN classic, if a woman posted that her husband did that she’d be told to leave before he stuck the knife in her next time.

Please don’t bring children into this toxic mess

Aerial2020 · 15/05/2020 18:18

And telling each other you love each other doesn't make it a loving relationship.
It seems you have got too used to how this is.

VerityB1 · 15/05/2020 18:47

Oh dear, you both sound v silly indeed, like a couple of grown up toddlers.

Eolhc1990 · 15/05/2020 19:20

In today's argument I think you were completely out of order. He corrected you on your pronunciation but why didn't you just let that go? Why did you take it so personally and call him pedantic. YOU made a big deal of that issue rather than just moving on and then to stab a chopping board with a knife... yup totally out of order.
I also hate when people threaten self harm as a way to manipulate people my FIL does this all the time and it is so unfair to his family.

Get some help before you lose everything you care about.

SimonJT · 15/05/2020 19:27

Threatening self harm is manipulation, using a knife to get your own way is absolutely terrifying.

Everyone argues and everyone gets annoyed at their partner sometimes, but if mine thought it was appropriate to ‘blow up’ he’d be out of the door straight away. Adults are in control of their behaviour, someone who chooses to do that isn’t someone I want to be around.

Are any children in the home?

Elderhedge · 15/05/2020 19:39

Sounds a bit like me and my H but he is like you (I don’t think I am as goady as your H, but I don’t really “blow up” and this is definitely his “role”) . I just left him on Monday and I am currrntly going round and round questioning is he abusive, am I, etc. Thing is.... when you start spending time worrying about that, when there’s no respect or trust left and when you are increasingly out of control in rows, what exactly is left of your relationship? It’s never going to go back to hearts and flowers is it. It’s toxic and getting worse. I’d love to believe H is going to change like he’s currently trying to persuade me, but from experience it won’t happen. I think you both deserve better than this. It’s awful I know so Flowers

Aquamarine1029 · 15/05/2020 19:44

Your partner needs help, but you sound almost completely out of control. The knife incident is totally unacceptable, and if I were your partner, that would have been it for me. I would have left, permanently. You are becoming more physically violent, and that is a massive concern.

Doowop20 · 15/05/2020 19:49

It sounds like you are close to doing something dangerous. I think the dynamic between you is toxic and probably will never change.

GoyourOwnWay1 · 15/05/2020 20:04

It will be hard to come back from this! You are getting increasingly worse and it is actually rather terrifying what you did with the knife. Don't bring children into this.

TheHumansAreDefinitelyDead · 15/05/2020 20:09

Sounds really unhealthy and sad

Threatening to hurt yourself is an awful thing to do

Wielding a knife is just insane

Sorry, but it’s a really unhealthy and shocking dynamic you’ve got there

Would you not be better off living on your own?

F0RESTGRUMP · 15/05/2020 20:13

You both sound ghastly.

Herecomestreble1 · 15/05/2020 20:19

He doesnt sound particularly understanding but I can't imagine I would be inclined to be in his situation. If DH corrected my pronunciation I think I'd gloss over it, not immediately tell him how rude he was, why is that your first response? I think you would benefit from talking this out with someone, see if you both can work on being kinder to one another.

justtb · 15/05/2020 20:21

I can relate to a lot of this. I am incredibly quick to anger, can get hysterical and suicidal, get violent with myself. My DP has called me controlling, emotionally abusive, manipulative and sociopathic. I am often ashamed at my behaviour after an incident and hideously embarrassed. I am not the person I was 18 months ago and I mourn the old me constantly.
I haven't had any firm diagnosis - am currently seeing a psychologist and a psychiatrists as well as having a key worker in the community.. everything is pointing at Border Personality Disorder for me.

If you want to message me feel free. Ignore the stuck up people on here who do not understand mental health please x

Elieza · 15/05/2020 20:44

You need to find a way to control yourself and not get so angry about little things.

If you need to leave the room to go upstairs and quietly batter fuck out a pillow feel free. Once tired you can reappear (having “been at the toilet“ not in the bedroom if he asks) and you can calmly continue the conversation.

“Let me think about that for a minute” is another strategy to buy time to compose yourself before answering.

You should never threaten self harm. I couldn’t date someone like that. I’ve actually been in that situation where a bf said he’d kill himself if I left him.
I left because he said that.
He slashed right up and down his arms with a knife and made sure he saw me again in the street to show me what i made him do. Yeah I made you do that, sure.
I never dated him again after that. Nobody holds me to ransom. I’m surprised your dp lets you say such things. Could be he will leave you the next time you start that behaviour. We all have a breaking point. He shouldn’t have to put up with that from you.

Another strategy is dr Andrew Weil 4 7 8 breathing on YouTube. It takes a couple of minutes a day and does something in your brain that helps you calm yourself. I thought it was a lot of rubbish - until I did it! Try it for a fortnight. I guarantee once you practice day and night for a few weeks it works ‘behind the scenes’ in your brain and you don’t realise it, until when you are in a stressful situation and do it then and miraculously it really, really works. I use it when driving instead of having road rage with the arsehole bad drivers. (Well before lockdown I did!)
Good luck.

ThePlantsitter · 15/05/2020 20:52

You think he is over reacting about the knife/chopping board because you knew you weren't going to do anything violent with it (didn't you..?). But you are not imagining what it might have felt like to be him at that moment. He could not know what was going on in your mind and blowing up is not communicating that. It's just being scary.

You definitely need help to process your anger. Honestly it's up to your partner whether he wants to stay with you before you can get that help because it does sound difficult to live with. Sorry love.

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