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Am I abusive? Or is lockdown getting to me?

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Missconsolate · 15/05/2020 16:42

I think lockdown might be bringing out the worst in me, and in my relationship. What I don't know is whether it is bringing fundamental problems with me and my relationship to light, or whether this is a bump in the road.

My partner and I have been together for eight years - my only really serious relationship, and his too. We have always spent a lot of time together, if anything I occasionally want some more time to myself but generally we are quite happy living in each other's pockets. Our friends joke about us really being one person. We've been through some extremely difficult times together - bereavement, depression, unemployment, and bad money worries - and have always seemed to come out of it still rock solid, especially to the outside world. I think we've both always felt that we had each found our soulmate.

But one issue I've had for a long time is that I am quite emotionally unstable. I can be very impatient and dismissive when stressed, which is quite often as I have a very demanding job. I also tend to convince myself that I am not good enough at what I do, that he doesn't really love me, etc, which makes me get snappy and upset. More than that, when we have disagreements, it has the capacity to spiral out of control. Previously, our arguments haven't been such a problem - we would both give as good as we got, the arguments were about genuine and usually interesting disagreements we had, we tolerated the difference of opinion, and there was always a limit to the level of argument. But more recently (I'd say in the last year or so, but particularly during lockdown), even small squabbles seem to turn into huge meta-arguments about 'the way in which' we are arguing (e.g. who is interrupting the most, being really pedantic about what was set to set the argument off, who is acting contemptuous of whom, etc). These days, there always seems to come a point where I am so frustrated by the whole thing, and by him not seeming to listen to what I am saying, that I lose control and start really screaming at him. And when that happens, generally he tells me to f* off, I tell him that I hate him and want him to leave and break up with me. Sometimes, and this is a much more recent development, I will say something worse, like a veiled threat to hurt myself. (I had issues with depression and self-harm as a teenager, and when I feel really frustrated I do feel the old impulse to do something stupid, but I am also pretty sure I wouldn't act on it any more. I don't know why I have vocalised these impulses on one or two occasions, I guess I've just needed to express how angry and frustrated I was feeling).

After the argument, when things have cooled down about, he will usually give me the silent treatment for a little while. When we talk about it, the discussion will usually revolve around my blowing up, how it's got to stop, and how I've got to stop invoking the possibility of us breaking-up when one of these huge blowouts happens. Generally, I cry - a lot. But we do ultimately reassure each other that we love each other, will always be together and will make it work.

I realise that this is super-unhealthy and it is making both of us unhappy. I also realise that I do have real problems with volatility and anger. Is it abusive, how I behave during these arguments? I'm really worried that it is.

At the same time, though, I do feel that the focus on what I've done wrong eclipses his behaviour, in particular his failure to listen to me, that made me so frustrated in the first place. And he's even said previously, in the post-argument talk, that whatever he did 'just doesn't matter' by comparison to me. A particular problem I'm having is that I do genuinely feel the language and tone he adopts, when we are having some minor squabble, is quite unpleasant and sneery or dismissive. For example, he always accuses me of 'blowing up' or 'going off on one' or 'ranting and raving' when I pick him up on something minor, which actually isn't the case. I find this type of accusation, and how easily he makes it, really hurtful (not least because I am conscious of, and ashamed of, the occasions where I have 'ranted and raved'), and this is often what precipitates the bigger blow-out that ensues.

A good example is what has happened this afternoon. I told him about the Irish Taoiseach going back to work as a doctor for one day per week, and asked him whether he thought this was a good thing or just a gimmick and no actual use to anyone. He corrected me on my pronunciation of 'Taoiseach'. I genuinely didn't mind my pronunciation being corrected as such, but retorted (perfectly calmly) that it was rude, petty and pedantic to focus on my pronunciation rather than engage with what could have been an interesting discussion about whether Leo Varadkar might actually be a c after all. He said it was perfectly legitimate, and after a little back and forth it quickly got to the point where he was saying that I must just have a really thin skin and couldn't bear to be corrected, and that that was pathetic. He said that I had 'gone off on one' as soon as he corrected me and that if I hadn't 'just blown up' he would have had a chance to engage with what I said. In the course of all this, I admit I got super angry and frustrated, and picked up a kitchen knife from the counter next to me (I was making us a sandwich at the time) and jammed it into the chopping board. He was on the other side of the kitchen. Obviously, I just did it as an outlet for my frustration, I never meant to hurt or frighten him at all. It really horrifies me that he might think that was my intention. But he then went off, saying that 'I had really f** it this time', that that was the worst thing I had ever done, and if I couldn't see that then 'I was completely gone in the head' and it would be completely over for us.

To be honest, I'm not sure I know what is normal and what's abnormal any more. Is it completely beyond the pale and abusive to pick up a knife during a heated argument and stick it in a chopping board? I know I shouldn't have done it, but is it much worse than that? Or is his reaction actually a bit overblown, as I do feel it is when he unfairly accuses me of 'ranting and raving' at the drop of a hat?

And from other posters' experience, do our communication difficulties and anger issues seem too serious to make this relationship viable? Do I need to recognise that he might be better off without me, because I do see that how I behave is sometimes unacceptable and frankly manipulative? If we can make it work, how? Things do seem to have been so much worse during lockdown, and not being able to go to work as normal and see friends has taken its toll (at the same time though, things have been better during lockdown too, in lots of ways - we've both commented on how lucky we are to have each other at the moment), but is just resolving to 'cut each other some more slack' enough in the circumstances?

I really can't imagine starting again without him. We really do love each other - at least, I love him - and our lives are completely intertwined and have been for so long. I'm at an age where I want to start having children pretty soon - I had always imagined they would be his.

I would really appreciate some advice. He's still out of the house, having stormed off to think about things, and I'm feeling a bit lost at sea.

OP posts:
Motherofasleepaphobe · 16/05/2020 08:18

Tbh I think the pair of you need time apart from each other - your reaction with the knife is unacceptable and dangerous
Him calling you pathetic and constantly accusing you of “losing it” and suggesting your to blame for everything is gaslighting

Your entire recall of your relationship sounds toxic, I would look into getting some anger management maybe some counselling for yourself but I would definitely be taking a step back and seeking some time away from each other and this relationship

lunar1 · 16/05/2020 08:24

I think your behaviour is abusive. Him correcting your pronunciation should not have lead to that. He's probably on eggshells around you. If he were the one posting he would be told to run and never look back after the knife incident.

eeehbyegum · 16/05/2020 08:25

OP your partner correcting your pronunciation rather than responding to what you asked his opinion on, is symptomatic of a deteriorating relationship, unless it’s done in an ‘in joke’ way or how you’ve been happy to communicate previously.

You can quietly see these little digs / changes, as the end, and make plans to say ‘it’s not working out’ - whilst helping yourself and the situation by showing no pent up emotion and quietly moving on (I’ve always wanted to be that strong and never managed it!) or you can be emotional, angry and a bit frankly violent letting him know very clearly that you won’t accept that kind of shit, BUT what he sees is you being volatile, unstable, raging and abusive. Of which he sounds similar. You sound like you’re in a cycle - both co-dependent on nit picking, flares and blame.

I don’t think you’re awful - You are missing the ‘lid’ to keep emotions in check, and the self esteem to walk away from the second time he made you feel bad this way, having calmly told him the first time. You’re reaction is scary though and what if that knife incident escalated?

We aren’t all perfect, and we didn’t all get shown the way in life. What you do need to do now though is try to address your own reactions now you’ve recognised it’s an issue. Which you have as a first step from posting this.

Lock down or no lock down. Your relationship has turned toxic, and you both need to step back and address it or walk away. Never lose yourself in an argument that you forget who you are or become someone you don’t want to be.

First step is owning your own behaviour. Good luck!

Shoxfordian · 16/05/2020 08:36

It sounds like a really toxic relationship

Don't you ever just have jokes with each other about stuff? If this happened to me, I'd make a joke or just agree and move on. It seems like you escalated it from 0 to 100 without any real reason.

Have you looked at anger management? Or therapy for couple's? It doesn't seem like a good environment at all

category12 · 16/05/2020 08:44

Seek help for yourself, op.

RichTwoTurkeyFriend · 16/05/2020 08:44

Yes, you are abusive.
Yes, picking up a knife during an argument and acting like that is beyond the pale.
The idea you would consider bringing children into this situation is ludicrous. You used a weapon, to threaten and intimidate your partner in an argument. This is a criminal act. If you had children that were present when this happened you would be (quite rightly) referred to social services.

SouthernComforts · 16/05/2020 08:54

It all sounds toxic. You sound highly strung and you both seem to nitpick eachother and antagonise eachother rather than just talking.

Threats to hurt yourself and picking up knives is just crazy. Get some professional help. If you started that shit with me I'd pack your bags.

WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo · 16/05/2020 09:01

Does your partner ever take the blame for anything and apologise? Is anything ever his fault and he will admit to that? I ask as I was in a relationship with a narcissist and I ended behaving a lot more crazy than I ever thought I could or would. I was being constantly gaslit into believing everything was my fault, my every word & action held up to his spotlight and found wanting. Being devalued in every way left me feeling like I was going a mad, cognitive dissonance it’s called. Im just mentioning it here as what happens when you’re in a relationship with a narcissist, you become the crazy person over time. They know all your buttons and push them for the sheer pleasure of proving their point, that they are so much better than you. They can do no wrong no matter what and once they are in the devalue stage, destroying you as a person is their goal. It’s usually the victim who reaches out for help for their craziness & mental health problems, not realising what is being done to them like water torture, drip by drip. I am not saying that is what’s going on here because you haven’t given very much information about his behaviour, which is what started my alarm bells. You could read about NPD and see if any of it rings true to you, covert narcs are very calm, don’t often raise their voice and it all happens very slowly over time. Either way the relationship is very toxic at this point and something needs to change.

Isadora2007 · 16/05/2020 09:05

www.mindsoother.com/blog/infinity-loop-identifying-negative-cycles-in-your-relationship

Fill in this alongside your partner And be honest... it will help if you can find out and discuss each other’s triggers and then you know where your work lies.

eeehbyegum · 16/05/2020 09:16

@WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo yes very very true! Been there done that. Narc dad and gaslighting ex.
End up acting crazy. Thinking you’re a nut job but kind of knowing you aren’t but can’t work out what’s going on.

OP no idea what’s the real thing going on here, but you don’t like your reactions. So time to change how you behave. Takes alot of strength to do that. But it’s a simple mindset change eventually, but working on low mood and self esteem are the key shift to addressing it in my view.

damnthatoneisalreadytaken · 16/05/2020 09:35

I'm a mental health nurse and obviously its difficult to tell from a post but you may be suffering from emotionally unstable personality disorder/borderline pd.
This isn't your fault or your partner's.

Often partners escalate the situation and make things worse through not validating and throwing fuel on the fire without realising.

These relationships can become toxic and dangerous. But often the person with eupd doesn't recognise the issues so dont seek help.

You clearly have insight into the situation. Sometimes medication can help but therapy such as DBT is a way to recognise emotions, change negative thoughts and help gain some control back.

There are many people who have this condition and have successful relationships and are good parents. But it takes work and your partner would need to learn new skills as well for it work.

Purhaps see your GP and ask for a mental health assessment or do some research to begin with. Have an honest chat with your partner and try and avoid blaming each other.

Don't give up, theres help out there. Sounds like there's lots of good things about your relationship and whether you stay together or not, you deserve to have support.Smile

Flyingf1edgelings · 16/05/2020 10:36

Correcting your pronunciation is normal I believe, I correct dh and he corrects me. It's just correcting eachother incase we say it wrong infront of other people. Really no need to take it as an insult, your reaction was disgusting. If I thought a woman treated my brother like that I would be horrified.
You need anger management and therapy because I really believe you have an imbalance to tell someone you will injure yourself because you are so angry.
If you were a man people would be hounding you and telling g your dp to ltb. You need help sorry OP.

eeehbyegum · 16/05/2020 11:09

@Flyingf1edgelings Actually correcting someone can be done in a well meaning way like you’ve experienced, or in an abusive way to belittle them that I have experienced. Continually criticising someone can cause an eruption of emotion.

PP before you was very supportive and gave advice.

I hate how Mumsnet just has this tone of attack in the vast majority of posts.

fuckoffImcounting · 16/05/2020 12:46

Sound like he enjoys goading you into blowing up. If you can learn to control the blowing up, he will not be able to goad you. Try some breathing techniques, they will keep you calm and help you to distance from Mr Goad.

FreshStart13 · 16/05/2020 14:00

What you did, how you act during arguments is abusive. Stabbing the knife into the cutting board during an argument is really scary. If you were my partner I wouldn't feel safe living with you given the way you behave. Your reasoning and excuses remind me of my husband. He had a scary meltdown kicking things and yelling at me and according to him it was all my fault. Maybe your relationship is toxic and there's abuse on both sides. But you need to focus firstly on what you can change, which is your behaviour.

CardsforKittens · 16/05/2020 14:15

Yeah, the goading sounds familiar to me too. I didn’t go as far as picking up a knife but I did a lot of shouting and self harming. I became convinced I had BPD. I left that relationship; I’ve been in a new relationship for many years in which I’ve shouted maybe twice - we do argue but in a much healthier way. There’s no goading. And I don’t have BPD.

So I agree with PP that the knife thing is bad and that you need help. But I also know that it’s not necessarily as simple as saying you’re abusive. And if people haven’t experienced being constantly criticised it’s probably difficult to imagine the dynamics involved. But you say he doesn’t listen to you and he says you have a thin skin, and if you argue then your ‘blowing up’ is unacceptable but his dismissive commenting ‘doesn’t matter’. It certainly sounds like goading to me.

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