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Am I abusive? Or is lockdown getting to me?

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Missconsolate · 15/05/2020 16:42

I think lockdown might be bringing out the worst in me, and in my relationship. What I don't know is whether it is bringing fundamental problems with me and my relationship to light, or whether this is a bump in the road.

My partner and I have been together for eight years - my only really serious relationship, and his too. We have always spent a lot of time together, if anything I occasionally want some more time to myself but generally we are quite happy living in each other's pockets. Our friends joke about us really being one person. We've been through some extremely difficult times together - bereavement, depression, unemployment, and bad money worries - and have always seemed to come out of it still rock solid, especially to the outside world. I think we've both always felt that we had each found our soulmate.

But one issue I've had for a long time is that I am quite emotionally unstable. I can be very impatient and dismissive when stressed, which is quite often as I have a very demanding job. I also tend to convince myself that I am not good enough at what I do, that he doesn't really love me, etc, which makes me get snappy and upset. More than that, when we have disagreements, it has the capacity to spiral out of control. Previously, our arguments haven't been such a problem - we would both give as good as we got, the arguments were about genuine and usually interesting disagreements we had, we tolerated the difference of opinion, and there was always a limit to the level of argument. But more recently (I'd say in the last year or so, but particularly during lockdown), even small squabbles seem to turn into huge meta-arguments about 'the way in which' we are arguing (e.g. who is interrupting the most, being really pedantic about what was set to set the argument off, who is acting contemptuous of whom, etc). These days, there always seems to come a point where I am so frustrated by the whole thing, and by him not seeming to listen to what I am saying, that I lose control and start really screaming at him. And when that happens, generally he tells me to f* off, I tell him that I hate him and want him to leave and break up with me. Sometimes, and this is a much more recent development, I will say something worse, like a veiled threat to hurt myself. (I had issues with depression and self-harm as a teenager, and when I feel really frustrated I do feel the old impulse to do something stupid, but I am also pretty sure I wouldn't act on it any more. I don't know why I have vocalised these impulses on one or two occasions, I guess I've just needed to express how angry and frustrated I was feeling).

After the argument, when things have cooled down about, he will usually give me the silent treatment for a little while. When we talk about it, the discussion will usually revolve around my blowing up, how it's got to stop, and how I've got to stop invoking the possibility of us breaking-up when one of these huge blowouts happens. Generally, I cry - a lot. But we do ultimately reassure each other that we love each other, will always be together and will make it work.

I realise that this is super-unhealthy and it is making both of us unhappy. I also realise that I do have real problems with volatility and anger. Is it abusive, how I behave during these arguments? I'm really worried that it is.

At the same time, though, I do feel that the focus on what I've done wrong eclipses his behaviour, in particular his failure to listen to me, that made me so frustrated in the first place. And he's even said previously, in the post-argument talk, that whatever he did 'just doesn't matter' by comparison to me. A particular problem I'm having is that I do genuinely feel the language and tone he adopts, when we are having some minor squabble, is quite unpleasant and sneery or dismissive. For example, he always accuses me of 'blowing up' or 'going off on one' or 'ranting and raving' when I pick him up on something minor, which actually isn't the case. I find this type of accusation, and how easily he makes it, really hurtful (not least because I am conscious of, and ashamed of, the occasions where I have 'ranted and raved'), and this is often what precipitates the bigger blow-out that ensues.

A good example is what has happened this afternoon. I told him about the Irish Taoiseach going back to work as a doctor for one day per week, and asked him whether he thought this was a good thing or just a gimmick and no actual use to anyone. He corrected me on my pronunciation of 'Taoiseach'. I genuinely didn't mind my pronunciation being corrected as such, but retorted (perfectly calmly) that it was rude, petty and pedantic to focus on my pronunciation rather than engage with what could have been an interesting discussion about whether Leo Varadkar might actually be a c after all. He said it was perfectly legitimate, and after a little back and forth it quickly got to the point where he was saying that I must just have a really thin skin and couldn't bear to be corrected, and that that was pathetic. He said that I had 'gone off on one' as soon as he corrected me and that if I hadn't 'just blown up' he would have had a chance to engage with what I said. In the course of all this, I admit I got super angry and frustrated, and picked up a kitchen knife from the counter next to me (I was making us a sandwich at the time) and jammed it into the chopping board. He was on the other side of the kitchen. Obviously, I just did it as an outlet for my frustration, I never meant to hurt or frighten him at all. It really horrifies me that he might think that was my intention. But he then went off, saying that 'I had really f** it this time', that that was the worst thing I had ever done, and if I couldn't see that then 'I was completely gone in the head' and it would be completely over for us.

To be honest, I'm not sure I know what is normal and what's abnormal any more. Is it completely beyond the pale and abusive to pick up a knife during a heated argument and stick it in a chopping board? I know I shouldn't have done it, but is it much worse than that? Or is his reaction actually a bit overblown, as I do feel it is when he unfairly accuses me of 'ranting and raving' at the drop of a hat?

And from other posters' experience, do our communication difficulties and anger issues seem too serious to make this relationship viable? Do I need to recognise that he might be better off without me, because I do see that how I behave is sometimes unacceptable and frankly manipulative? If we can make it work, how? Things do seem to have been so much worse during lockdown, and not being able to go to work as normal and see friends has taken its toll (at the same time though, things have been better during lockdown too, in lots of ways - we've both commented on how lucky we are to have each other at the moment), but is just resolving to 'cut each other some more slack' enough in the circumstances?

I really can't imagine starting again without him. We really do love each other - at least, I love him - and our lives are completely intertwined and have been for so long. I'm at an age where I want to start having children pretty soon - I had always imagined they would be his.

I would really appreciate some advice. He's still out of the house, having stormed off to think about things, and I'm feeling a bit lost at sea.

OP posts:
antisocialdistance · 15/05/2020 21:30

The two of you need to separate because your relationship is toxic and harmful. He may need help with his communication (hard to tell from what you've written but it doesn't seem all that bad) but you definitely need help for your anger, disordered thinking and shockingly bad communication.

You seem self-aware of what your issues are, which is good, but the concerning thing is that you don't seem to have made the leap from identifying your issues to accepting full responsibility for stopping your abusive behaviour.

If you become irritable and dismissive when stressed, you need to learn to recognise those emotions arising within you and communicate calmly that you need some quiet time or to do something kind for yourself, rather than taking your stress out on someone else.

If your poor self-esteem means you feel not good enough, you need to find ways to work on your self-esteem rather than getting snappy and upset with your partner.

If you know you reach a point in arguments where you become emotionally flooded and start screaming you must walk away from arguments before that point. This is clear-cut abuse of your partner. He might be doing the same thing, but that doesn't mean it cancels out or justifies your own abusive behaviour.

If you are threatening self-harm as a way to control your partner's behaviour, you are flat-out abusive. It's controlling and manipulative and honestly, you need professional help at this point.

If you are picking up a weapon in anger and gesturing violently with it, you are at best at the brink of criminal action and at worst already engaged in criminal action. You need to seek professional help TODAY.

His reaction is in no way overblown. If my partner made an angry gesture with a knife after an argument –sparked by of all fucking things, pronunciation – I would pack up my kids, leave the house that hour and report their actions to the police. There would be no coming back. If your partner walks back through that door and wants to continue the relationship, you should only agree to do so on the basis that YOU seek immediate professional help.

Sarcelle · 15/05/2020 21:35

Yes, you are abusive.

WyfOfBathe · 15/05/2020 21:40

Is it completely beyond the pale and abusive to pick up a knife during a heated argument and stick it in a chopping board?

This definitely tips it from "you both need to grow up" into clear abuse.

I don't know how many times I've read on MN things along the lines of "if he punched the wall, he'll start punching you". I would leave immediately if a partner picked up a knife during an argument.

justanotherneighinparadise · 15/05/2020 21:43

Please don’t bring children into this. They make any situation a thousand times more stressful. The thought of what you might do with raging hormones and no sleep is terrifying!

Pookaroo · 15/05/2020 21:49

Your behaviour and excuses sound just like my husbands. We're getting a divorce now and it's honestly the best decision I have ever made, my anxiety and just my life in general is so much calmer now I don't have to worry about him going off the deep-end at me whenever he feels like it.

Postmanbear · 15/05/2020 21:54

I think it would be useful for you to contact relate. They are doing online therapy during this time which will help you both work through what is going on. I do think your behaviour is unacceptable but he is also behaving badly.
Good luck to you both. It is brave of you to be so honest and it takes a big person to want to change.

LovingLola · 15/05/2020 22:02

You’re abusive.
I hope he sees that clearly.

Moreisnnogedag · 15/05/2020 22:09

I’m really struggling with the fact that you are trying to justify the knife incident. That is so far beyond the pale it’s unbelievable! The threatening self-harm, the rage outbursts - if you were a man you would be getting your arse handed to you on here.

You guys need to separate, for everyone’s benefit but before you actually physically harm him. Get whatever help you need and then perhaps reassess (tbh if it were him posting I wouldn’t encourage him to reassess but to run for the hills).

Ilovecats14 · 15/05/2020 22:12

You need help. I couldn't put up with that I'd rather be on my own. Sometimes things just don't work out, and that's ok.

chatterbugmegastar · 15/05/2020 22:19

If you are not being the person you want to be, find the help you need to change

ILoveCake87 · 15/05/2020 22:39

I had an ex abit like you it was hell I ended up tip toeing around him, watching what I said, trying to make sure he didn't flip out or try to harm himself. I was so relieved when I left the relationship. Your getting an easy time on here only because your female.

Aquamarine1029 · 16/05/2020 03:32

To be honest, the thought of you having children is very, very worrisome. You are simply not emotionally stable enough to be a capable mother. Your rage and ability to use good judgment are out of control.

AllyBamma · 16/05/2020 04:39

Yes, your behaviour is abusive. Your reaction to him correcting your pronunciation was completely disproportionate. You sound unhinged and frankly quite scary. Your relationship sounds incredibly toxic and I think the only way for either of you to be happy is to separate. And for gods sake, do not bring children into this nightmare.

Gobbycop · 16/05/2020 05:29

You both sound incredibly volatile.

The knife thing is proper worrying.

BadgersAreReal · 16/05/2020 05:35

A lot of what you wrote sounds to me like you have both already reached the point where you are irritated with eachother which is why conversations descend to arguments so quickly - you always assume he is picking on you and he always assumes you are going to reach boiling point.
I am also quick to anger in general, but when suffering from PND I found that I would go from 0-100 in seconds after even the smallest comment and now when I look back, I was not myself and was acting unreasonable.
Is it possible you are suffering from mental health issues? It may be that if you address those then you can return to your normal self and bring your relationship back on track if that's what you want.
I think you should consider the knife incident the last straw and seek some guidance from your GP.

eeehbyegum · 16/05/2020 07:32

Did you grow up in an angry household? I ask because I did, and had to walk on egg shells as a kid. I have low self esteem, and working really hard gave me validation and a voice. That at times comes out as frustration and anger not being heard particularly causes red mist, taking me right back to not having a voice and the unjustness of it. It’s not ok how you are reacting at times, but 0-100 suggests depression, self esteem issues and learnt behaviour with anger. It will spiral if you don’t address it and take responsibility.

Can you both have a break? Seperate within the house for a few days, and agree to think about what you want, reflect on your own behaviour / reactions - not who did what wrong etc?

JennyJazz · 16/05/2020 07:41

What jumps out at me most is the way you seem to minimise, blame and deflect. The way you avoided using the words stabbed and stab, opting for "jammed" and "stick" is interesting too.

You DO know what is normal and what is abnormal and yes, you are abusive.

Most people, when corrected, would just repeat the word with the right pronunciation and carry on with the conversation. When something as simple as that ends with you reaching for a knife you need to book an appointment with a professional real quick and one of you move out until you get yourself sorted, before someone gets seriously hurt.

Re-read your OP and skip over all the crap where you try to justify your awful behaviour - like blaming your job etc.

Bluntness100 · 16/05/2020 07:43

Your post is interesting, where as you fully admit your behaviour towards him is unacceptable there is an element of “it’s his fault, he made me do it”

I think you need to seek some help for anger management or similar. Correcting your pronunciation should not result in you immediately calling him rude petty etc and the Irish prime minister a cunt. It’s not a normal reaction. Nor is the knife thing. It shows you’re out of control.

I’d speak to my gp as the first step. I’d not advise having children until you get this under control. Even in the remote chance you don’t react the same to them, you can’t have them in an environment where they hear this.

TitianaTitsling · 16/05/2020 07:53

A very frightening post and agree with pp that your are manipulating him with the threats of self harm and the knife incident is appalling. Can't believe already some posts are like 'oh but hormones possibly' as an excuse. Also like pp if this was a woman posting about a man the answers would not be sympathetic to him at all!

PlanDeRaccordement · 16/05/2020 07:55

Sorry OP,
But you are clearly abusive in both your picking fights, how you argue (screaming, insults, saying you hate him/he should leave, threatening to self-harm suicide), and now, it’s escalated to you grabbing a knife and angrily stabbing a countertop. He knew you were seeing his face when you stabbed the counter top and so of course reacted by saying that was too much and leaving the room for his own safety.

You need professional help as soon as possible. You are showing several borderline/emotionally unstable traits which could very well amount to an actual personality disorder.

It may not be the only problem with the relationship. I am not saying that your DP is perfect by any stretch. But it is the elephant in the room and the one thing that must be corrected and quickly. Even if this relationship is over, you need to therapy otherwise your emotional instability will poison any future relationships you have. So get the therapy for YOU and YOUR LIFE.

Vellum · 16/05/2020 08:01

Do you manage to control your volatile temper in your stressful job? Is it because there would be significant consequences if you jabbed a big knife into a chopping board during an altercation with a colleague while

I think you need immediate help before you progress to harming your partner with a knife, and I think this unhealthy relationship dynamic almost certainly needs to end, for both your sakes. Having children together is a crazy idea and one that needs nipping in the bud immediately.

Helpplease101 · 16/05/2020 08:04

I'm Interested in this because how you are acting in arguments is how mu ex husband used to. For him the screaming in my face and picking up knives progressed to pushing. Then throwing things at me then very physical. I won't go into more detail because this isn't about me. However his sister is also the same. He couldn't control it and would shake before an eruption. He was diagnosed with bipolar and his sister was diagnosed with BPD. I could very cleariy see this wasn't a case of just a ba

Helpplease101 · 16/05/2020 08:07

Sorry posted too soon. I always had a feeling it was something more than just a bad temper. He now doesn't take the meds. I think if you seek help that is a good thing. Call respect line they are very good

Helpplease101 · 16/05/2020 08:08

Sorry I meant to add he doesn't take the meds because he is convinced he hasn't done anything wrong and our relationship is over. I'm glad you are looking for ways to fix this

Choice4567 · 16/05/2020 08:11

Wow. Why do you still want to be in this relationship?