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Need some perspective - this is controlling, right?

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RiverCrossing · 14/05/2020 23:07

So in a nutshell, and without drip feeding a massively long story, my DH and I have been together for 6.5 years, married for 3. All fine and I mean genuinely really fine until we moved to be closer to his family last year. Since then I have seen a completely different side to him - he’s become needy and quite horrible at times.

Examples are being moody if I’m on the phone to my family - so I can only speak to them when he’s at work - giving me the silent treatment for 2/3 days after I go out to do my hobby on a Tuesday night, asking me to cut off certain friends and picking at everything I do. He’s also developed this habit of ringing me whenever he is driving and expecting me to be on the phone to him until he gets to his destination. I can’t go on work nights out because he’d just sulk, I can’t even get out of bed before he’s awake in the morning because he’ll be grumpy I ‘left’ him. I feel like I can’t breathe and the only space I get is when I’m in the bathroom or at work. I have never given him a reason not to trust me and I know, I do know, that all of this is controlling behaviour. But every time I try and approach it he tells me it’s a reflection of how much he loves and needs me, how he’s scared I’ll leave him and how it’s because his mental health is wobbly and so he’s needy. And then I feel terrible for questioning it because perhaps it is just about how much he loves and needs me and wants me around. And so I’m going round in circles, all the meanwhile getting more and more claustrophobic. I’m so anxious all the time and I’ve been lying to him about having to stay late at work so I can go and see a friend for coffee. I know that’s a slippery slope and I don’t want to be lying but I can’t see my friends without him creating a massive issue. Perhaps it’s not controlling really and that part is in my head? I don’t know, I would be grateful of an outside perspective please.

OP posts:
TorkTorkBam · 16/05/2020 17:50

Stop talking to him about changing.

Stop taking responsibility for his behaviour.

Start changing your reactions. A sulk is not a reason to change what you are doing. Insist on watching your TV. Do not stand around being shouted at - leave the room. Have your breakfast alone tomorrow again because you want to. Pointedly phone your family in front of him. If he sulks for days that is OK.

Basically, start behaving like a normal human being. If he is a dick or is so mentally unstable he freaks out then you know where you are, i.e. time to go.

Embracelife · 16/05/2020 18:08

Let s say he is unwell.
Still no reason to stay. This is harming you.

You do not have to live with him while he seeks help.
You do not have to suffer with him.
He wont seek help while you keep putting up

(No evidence he unwell but sure have him.go to gp while you get out and away for your own mental health)

Vretz · 16/05/2020 18:14

Agreed on the above... The unwell point is more about whether you shut the door on the way out permanently, instead of whether you should.

Mental health symptoms usually show in hurting those they love (be near/go away mixed messages) which is actually very evident here in the desire for texts, but the way he is doing that isn't healthy. It's very common to see healthy relationships turn toxic, end and then rekindle as a result.

Embracelife · 16/05/2020 20:07

Mental health issue requires diagnosis and treatment by mh professionals.
OP is not trained to do that tho may havd had some basics as sw.
The control thing for exp was partly linked to anxiety disorder...the need to control certain things. But op should not try to treat it by accepting it

REignbow · 18/05/2020 07:46

How are you OP?

GilbertMarkham · 18/05/2020 09:18

*- being moody if I’m on the phone to my family - so I can only speak to them when he’s at work

  • giving me the silent treatment for 2/3 days after I go out to do my hobby on a Tuesday night,
  • asking me to cut off certain friends
  • picking at everything I do
  • ringing me whenever he is driving and expecting me to be on the phone to him until he gets to his destination.
  • I can’t go on work nights out because he’d just sulk
  • I can’t even get out of bed before he’s awake in the morning because he’ll be grumpy I ‘left’ him.
  • I’ve been lying to him about having to stay late at work so I can go and see a friend for coffee.
GilbertMarkham · 18/05/2020 09:20
  • we can only watch what he wants, usually something I hate
  • If I don’t answer the phone he will continue to call or send messages along the lines of ‘answer the fucking phone’ until I do
  • this morning I got yelled at because I ate breakfast first/alone
GilbertMarkham · 18/05/2020 09:27

I've summarised most of what you've described above op .... This is abuse, pure and simple. No question, no excuse ... Abuse. He's fkg torturing you. No wonder you feel suffocated and that you'd only escape is to go to the bathroom. He'll probably start timing you and questioning what you're doing in there too in time.

He says it's his MH and neediness ..... Well then he needs to move out (or you do) until he gets help and stops this quite seriously abusive behaviour. (So what he's not physically abusive (yet), it's still abuse that is utterky wrong and had a mental and physical effect on you).
And not being physical I'd the lowest bar possible, let's face it.

And some people who'veve been abused have said the mental side actually affected them worse than the physical.

If he and his counsellor thought he had improved, you could try living with him again but at the slightest sign of this behaviour he'd have to move out again ... And sadly op I think it would just happen again and again.

GilbertMarkham · 18/05/2020 09:33

He doesn't get to control and abuse other people because of his "MH" issues, if he was decent at all, he would see himself that he needs separate from them while he gets help - if such help works.

I'm sure he's a relatively intelligent person with a tiny modicum at least of self awareness, so every time he sulks at you or shouts at you for not complying with his totally unreasonable demands or "rules" - he's let himself do that .. he's decided to do that.

GilbertMarkham · 18/05/2020 09:37

He's training you like a rat in a cage with pain (getting shouted at/sulked at/cursed at/silent treatment, and "rewards" (not being shouted at, sulked at etc.)

You have to get out.

Ilovebanoffeepie · 18/05/2020 09:41

You have just described my last relationship OP!

I left 2 months ago now and I can’t tell you how happy and free I feel! What he’s doing isn’t normal behaviour, please get out- trust me you won’t regret it at all. You will regret staying though!

GilbertMarkham · 18/05/2020 11:30

.. as he sounds unhealthy rather than abusive

No, he doesn't. He really doesn't.

stophuggingme · 18/05/2020 11:35

Your confusion and fear is palpable. You know what he’s doing is abuse, but I also know from personal experience that the sense Laing and thinking out loud part is essential to gain clarity and reassure yourself.

Just be glad you don’t have children, as I can tell you that it makes things beyond awful

billy1966 · 18/05/2020 11:51

OP,

Re the GP or if he is unwell......who cares... he is a horror of a man.....just get out as soon as you can and don't look back.

He is not trust worthy.

He has waited until you moved to show you who he is.....utterly untrustworthy...
Protect yourself and get outFlowers

Thank god you don't have children with him.

Clean break.

He is a horror.

lilmishap · 18/05/2020 22:39

Have you looked at the time before the moving away as objectively as you can? Were you keen to move or did you do it for him?

altogirl · 19/05/2020 03:47

He sounds like a textbook narcissist. Read Lundy Bancroft's book "Why Does He Do That?" You'll find him within those pages. The book is $1.99 on Kindle Unlimited right now or you might be able to borrow from your local library. This is abuse of almost the worst kind because he makes you feel sorry for HIM for abusing YOU.

timeisnotaline · 19/05/2020 03:54

I’d have had a screaming meltdown WHAT ABOUT ME?! What about me seeing my friends and being able to get out of the fucking bed when I want to?!! We are partners not Siamese fucking twins!!
I think you know this isn’t working though. Start taking things to your mums is good advice.
Next time he gets in the car leave your phone at home and go for a walk. Tell him I’m not speaking to you while you drive anymore when he comes back. If he’s called and sent messages saying answer the Fucking phone screenshot the call log and keep the messages as evidence. If he shouts when he’s back, walk out. So make sure you have your handbag and keys and jacket nearby to grab and go. You won’t stay to be shouted at anymore.

RantyAnty · 19/05/2020 04:13

Tell your mum. Make a list of important things to take. When he's left for work, pack and leave. Once you're at your mums, tell him you've left. Block him so he can't harass you. Turn off your phone if needed.

R3ALLY · 19/05/2020 08:09

It all sounds very familiar. It seems manageable when it’s just one or two things and then it builds. I’ve been told not to read in another room... we should be sitting in the same room at all times. Unless he needs space of course. Listen to the very good advice you are getting here x

GilbertMarkham · 19/05/2020 08:13

Read Lundy Bancroft's book "Why Does He Do That?" You'll find him within those pages. The book is $1.99 on Kindle Unlimited right now or you might be able to borrow from your local library.

There are free versions you can read online, here's one;

www.docdroid.net/py03/why-does-he-do-that-pdf

Myths about abuse and abuser profiles sections are good to skip to.

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