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Think it’s over. Messages , escorts, open condom. Please help

424 replies

lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 17:14

Will try and be brief. Been with OH 18 months. We met through mutual friends. I have children with my ex husband . Kids were introduced slowly they all get on great. Kids like having him around asked when he would move in and I discussed how they would feel about it should that happen and they were all happy and excited and wanted it . I am mid 30s OH early 30s and he has no kids. I can’t have anymore children and although he said he couldn’t garantee one day he might not feel he wants a family of his own he doesn’t have an overwhelming feeling to have his own kids that he was happy with us he loved his time with us etc .

Recently a friend of his had a baby I mentioned I am sure one day he would love his own and he said I am happy with how things are. He did always say he would feel disappointed in life if he never married though. I have no aversion to remarrying (the marriage wasn’t the issue last time it was the person ) then recently another friend is expecting a baby in August and someone else we know in November. Again no desire expressed by him that he feels he’s missing out or broody .

I found out a while back that on nights outs with his mates (approx once a month) some of them do a few lines of coke . My ex used to do it and it caused a lot of issues. However he was also violent and abusive when drinking and doing drugs. My OH and I talked and I said as long as he never brought it into my house and never did it around me or my children or when I was with him then out with his mates while I don’t approve is his business and doesn’t effect me. I later found out after looking at his phone one of his friends deals it and that’s where they get it from and he has friends who ring him and he passes this guys number on as a favour. I gave him lots of opportunities to come clean and tell me and he didn’t. Until eventually I overheard a call and confronted him. We nearly broke up over it but he said he would stop being involved and he wanted a future with me and was sorry.

At the same time I saw on a holiday with some of his friends and family last year (booked before we were together) he messaged a girl on a dating app asking if she fancied meeting for a drink. Again I kept quiet and didn’t let on that I knew. I buried it and carried on.

I love and care for this man deeply. He lost him mum a couple of years ago and said I made him feel happy again and came into his life when everything was dark etc. We had both of us talked about buying somewhere together and one day marrying. He mentioned in the beginning of the year when we had been together a year the idea of us living together (he works , owns his own house but there’s now a tenant in and would have been with me so my children don’t have to move house and Schools etc ) I said sounds great let’s see in the summer about it but he started staying here a few times a week instead of just one to see how it felt being together that bit more.

In February we were going to meet two of his friends for lunch and a message came up on his in car system which he asked me to read to him. Under that was another message from an unsaved number sent at 5am that morning when he was staying at his dads house saying they only offer outcalls and not incalls. I know it was a massage parlour / escort agency from that and I confronted him. He said firsT of all a friend had done it and used his phone and I told him to have respect for me and admit it. He admitted he was drunk and doing drugs and he called the number but they were closed and could only come out and he didn’t have anyone go there as his dad brother and friends were there. He pleaded cried begged but did say maybe we would be better off ending it as I wouldn’t be able to trust him. I said maybe he should try counselling
He said he felt he was t good enough for me. That he’s always been hurt in relationships so throught that’s he’s bound to get screwed over again so what does it matter. He was so very upset and sorry for hurting me said I didn’t deserve it. He doesn’t deserve me and doesn’t deserve another chance. I wanted to make it work so let it go as a blip and a stupid drunken mistake although I was very hurt and felt inferior and not good enough. In March he did the same thing again. I found out as I hold my hands up and went through his phone. It was all there. Searches to brothels and massage parlours. He also gave his phone number to a random girl on the street and was emailing / messaging her for a bit the same night and he stayed up all night on a huge coke binge at the same time. (This was in a flat his family own in another town where he went on a weekend away with friends. But he went one night before everyone else on his own and did all this ) when j saw him online late he said he was up late as he didn’t feel well. I was worried about him being ill and there on his own as he’d been unwell at mine a couple of days before. He told his friend in a message it was a lie to shut me up and he was in the flat and paranoid from the amount of coke that he locked himself in one of the room as he thought there was a person next door )

Again i confronted him as it was the disrespect to me in these messages which I couldn’t believe. Laughing with friends bout messaging other girls and that I fell for his story of being ill. He then started counselling and has so far had 7 sessions. I even offered to do couples counselling alongside so that we could get back to how we were and work on things and have the life together we talked about.

Yesterday I was at his house and when I stood up to leave I looked down and in a drawer next to his bed (which was open) there was a worn condom laying there. I picked it up and said Why is this in your room. We don’t use them and haven’t had sex in that room anyway. He said he never uses the drawer someone else must have left it there from what could be months or years ago and it’s nothing to do with him . I didn’t argue I didn’t shout or scream I just felt very tired and said this is your bedroom how could you not know it was there. He said I don’t use that drawer and other people have stayed over in this room when I haven’t been here and it could be one of them. His cousin and girlfriend. Friends and girlfriends etc. His head dropped and he said I am telling the truth but I know you don’t believe me . I said I don’t know what to think and if you found it at my house you would find it hard to believe that it was as years old and I didn’t know how it got there
I have never found any actual evidence he’s cheated. Just times he’s come close. He said he doesn’t know why he’s done it. Etc

Anyway today he’s ended it with me. Says he needs to be on his own
He can’t stand keep making me unhappy and he can’t leave his phone unattended near me anymore and I won’t ever trust him
All suggestions of counselling together he’s saying no to. Says I will see it’s for the best and he wants to stay friends and still be able to meet up and have a kick about with the kids or take them out sometimes but he’s got too many issues to work on and he needs to put himself first and deal with them. He’s also said one day he might want kids and that option is off limits and it’s been bothering him for a while now. That maybe his best friend having a kid has made him think and he can’t guarantee he won’t one day want one and it’s something I can’t do with him. The idea of a surrogate if needs be was dismissed. Says he feels he’s no control over his life and it’s moving at 100mph ! No idea how I haven’t pushed him to move in. Marriage was briefly discussed a few times and by him as it happens as there’s a certain church he would like the ceremony in if possible but I could chose the reception if I was happy with that. Talked about areas we would consider buying in one day and when would be tha best time to move and both agreed 2 years time due to my children’s schooling. So none of this is about to happen tomorrow or next week.

I am hurting so much. I feel sick. I can’t stop crying. I feel ill. The future we talked about the plans we discussed. And then he’s going to meet someone else and do it all with them instead. Yesterday everything was fine. He cuddled me said he missed me loved me. I saw that condom and came home and now we are over

I feel broken. So broken and have no one I can talk to. I work long hours in a stressful job with people at times I am unhappy around. I feel so sad and lost

OP posts:
BackseatCookers · 03/05/2020 21:55

It’s broken so he’s throwing it away rather than fixing it.

And thank fuck for that, for you and your kids' sake.

He's an absolute arsehole. Nothing justifies how horrible he's been to you.

Laughing behind your back to his mates about treating you like shit should have been the final straw.

Will you please look into some counselling so you aren't in this position again?

copperoliver · 03/05/2020 22:01

This man is a liability, he has lots of disorders and will always be nothing but trouble to you, he likes to live a chaotic life, please block him and stay away, he might come back in the future and say he's changed, he won't have changed he will just want to see if he can get you back.
Please you and your children deserve better, walk away and never look back
He is bad news. X

DaiJai1066 · 03/05/2020 22:04

I’m sorry but you are justifying his behaviour and your acceptance of his behaviour. If you are not going to listen to the advice which is the same from every poster then what do you want from this thread? We can’t tell you what to do and we can’t make this better for you. You need to work on yourself before you get into another relationship as this situation will be repeated over and over again and even if you don’t think you deserve better, your children do and right now you are not putting them first as they will learn from your actions.

copperoliver · 03/05/2020 22:05

I think he has a personality disorder. X

JKScot4 · 03/05/2020 22:07

@lookingatthepast
Why have you spent all time analysing and explaining away his behaviour?
Are you hard of understanding?
Not ONE person has agreed with you not ONE, stop being so bloody wet and say the words I’m glad, I won’t take him back!!!
You can do better repeat that over and over.

Areyousurethatsright · 03/05/2020 22:08

Sorry but why have I spent 6 weeks not seeing my loved ones when people like you are breaking the lockdown rules on losers like him?

Wanderlust21 · 03/05/2020 22:11

You keep projecting how you would feel if you were him onto him. Everyone is telling you op, that is not how he feels. He slagged you off to his mates behind your back. THAT is what he really thinks of you. THAT is who he really is.

Stop trying to convince yourself he is good but damaged. He isnt! He is rotten to the core and bern playing you like a fiddle!

Kraejka · 03/05/2020 22:12

I am prepared to try couples counselling and us still talk on the phone but not stay overnight or have sex etc so we have space while we work on the issues.
For the love of God and all that is holy please do not do this. The relationship is over - block him. No friendship. Nothing.

its standard victim narcissist behaviour to make out that you are their saviour or the most amazing person they have ever met blah blah blah.
This is so true.
How do I know? I went through 5 years of absolute hell with someone like this. Please, I am begging you, do not put yourself through this.
You will though - you'll go back to him. He'll party around or 6 months or so and he'll see you on a friendship basis but after a while he'll worm his way back in (when he needs to tap into your energy again). You'll start off doing a couple of nice things together, you'll kiss and after a while it'll be a full on relationship. He'll talk about the future. Things will be alright for a while - then you'll have the same thing again - hasn't given up coke, alcohol and prostitutes. Suddenly wants kids blah blah ad infinitum.

Your OP and follow up posts and particularly what he has been saying are almost word for word what my ex said to me. Always the same old shit. The only difference is that my ex wasn't on the Coke, "just" alcohol (and was a drink driver). He was at the local brothel and also had WhatsApp flirtations with various women. Same stuff about wanting kids too - that's a cheap and easy excuse to wheel out. He doesn't want kids but there's no arguing with it if you are unable to have them.

The first time I found out about the brothel and a flirtation with some woman on WhatsApp he churned out all this babble just like yours. I came on here - people told me to get an STD test and get rid of the fucker. Block on social media, phone etc. I was convinced the relationship could get better if only he reduced his alcohol intake etcetc. After all we had such a great time when he wasn't in the brothel. I took him back, ignoring the wisdom of women who had been through it.
He asked me to marry him - we set a date. Then the same thing happened again and I got the same advice on Mumsnet. I took him back. People told me he was a narcissist. My self-esteem plummeted. I was so low and had no energy. I was just a shell.
It happened a third time and somehow I managed to escape from him. Now, 18 months on, I am me again. I lost myself. He sucked every last bit of life out of me. I'm back now.
He's moved on to someone else who is quite vulnerable at the moment. She's 20 odd years older than him. He'll be sucking the life out of her too and he'll be back at that brothel as soon as it reopens after corona. He'll be back on the drink every night too when he can meet his mates again.

PLEASE listen to me. Save yourself the heartache. Get rid of him now and DO NOT have a friendship with him.
He is a narcissist, a druggie and he uses prostitutes. He pays women to have sex with him.
DO NOT listen to this shit about how good you are for him and you are his saviour and blahblah. He'll start on about that again in no time at all. DO NOT get sucked in.
Please do not take him back and be on here again in 18 months and then another 18 months with the same story.

AnyFucker · 03/05/2020 22:15

Sorry but why have I spent 6 weeks not seeing my loved ones when people like you are breaking the lockdown rules on losers like him?

Good point

Kraejka · 03/05/2020 22:15

He used escorts...... as he was lonely and wanted the company and to feel wanted

Bullshit.

Graphista · 03/05/2020 22:16

For starters why the HELL are you not using fandoms with someone you KNOW is a drug user and who it was looking extremely likely even before you found the condom also employed prostitutes?!

First thing you need to sort is a thorough Sti screening.

He’s a disrespectful, misogynistic, junkie loser!

3rd get yourself some therapy so you don’t end up in a similar situation again or are tempted to go back to this prick!

He is absolutely right to have ended things. He cannot be trusted and has zero respect or care for you.

Block him on everything and move on

The future we talked about the plans we discussed. were fake! They were never going to happen he’s incapable at this time of an equal committed relationship

You were way over invested emotionally for how long you’d been together.

Yes you’re hurt but you will recover and I would say fairly quickly too.

How long were you single before getting together with him?

None of it was rushed ALL of it was, 18 months is NOTHING

You got in way too deep, too quickly with someone with glaringly obvious red flags and involved your dc too.

Block him!

Graphista · 03/05/2020 22:16

Fandoms??? Condoms!

Wanderlust21 · 03/05/2020 22:19

Lol fandoms. Isn't that the lady version of condoms? Or would they be femdoms? xD

Hidingtonothing · 03/05/2020 22:24

Honestly OP my skin is crawling just reading about him, surely you want better for yourself than this sleaze??

GilbertMarkham · 03/05/2020 22:25

I think in the beginning he thought this is what he wanted a normal family. Nice calm normal life. But then realised he couldn’t do it.

Yep, he thought he'd have ago at the real, steady relationship with a nice girl, a responsible girl with a family "thing" but he can't do it, he doesn't want it.

Maybe he'll change sometime in the future, maybe he won't. My bet would be that he'll continue similar behaviour on abd off with any woman he's with, and some poor fkr will find out about these things and have to deal with them - probably with kids in the mix.

Brownyblonde · 03/05/2020 22:31

Fandoms GrinGrinGrin im so sorry - I couldn't take the rest of your very good post seriously after that! Grin

GilbertMarkham · 03/05/2020 22:34

It’s broken so he’s throwing it away rather than fixing it.

Well, it's not really accurate to say "it's broken", it's more accurate to say "he broke it".

And he shouldn't have the option of fixing it.

He has;

  • tried to set up hookups with other women while with you (if that's all)
  • tried to arrange "visits" to prostitutes while with you
  • laughed about deceiving you with his mates
  • there's a question mark over whether he's shagged someone with the condom you discovered (same guy who's tried to set up hookups)

On top of that he's a bit too fond of snorting white powder and drinking.

What does he have to do to you?!

He should have been dumped for any one if those things.

But you're still talking like you'd continue with him if he tries, does counselling etc. Like he's the one throwing it away a d has a choice not to.

He shouldn't even have a choice.

You've caught serious feelings from shagging this guy too many times and are thinking with I don't know what, but not your head.

Starlight1243 · 03/05/2020 22:35

Sorry op this man has more red flags he could cover a house in bunting. It's clear for all hes been cheating on you and is a serial cheat using prostitutes and leaving used condom in a draw. I hope you dont continue beg for him back. Raise the bar for you're dc. Please get a STI check.

Vgtasd · 03/05/2020 22:36

Honestly I think you've had a lucky escape, it'll be awful painful at the minute but you'll feel better with time, you deserve better xxx

GilbertMarkham · 03/05/2020 22:38

Maybe that I point out that just because you haven't come across proof that he's followed through on any hookup or escort/prostitute visit .. doesn't mean he hadn't done it.

On here unfortunately women often find out that what they initially found was the tip of the iceberg. They usually lived with the guy and could find out more, you're not .. who knows what you haven't found out.

JKScot4 · 03/05/2020 22:39

I think he could punch OP in the face and she’d find an excuse “he misses his mum” “he ran out of coke” blah blah, she’s not listening!!
He’s set the foundations to pull her back with his pishy lines of “you’re too good for me” etc

lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 22:46

I haven’t messaged him since this morning. When I was me in tears pleading I will admit. I have posted here and will continue to. He doesn’t want it and his mind is made up and now I must somehow get up and get on with things. It really hurts but I am not going to plead for someone who doesn’t appreciate or want me to be in their life. It is very much his loss whether he realises it now or ever thinks it. That doesn’t matter. I know it’s his loss . I do know my own worth I know I am a loving caring intelligent person who had a nice home and wants someone I love to share it with to do well at work and to have a happy family life with. It’s a question of actually putting what I know to be true into action. I admit if someone’s not openly showing me or saying they love me then I feel dejected and worthless

OP posts:
Innitogether · 03/05/2020 22:49

Believe me OP, people who do coke don’t just have a couple of lines when they’re out, more like a couple of grams if it’s on tap and they know the dealer.

Also, people who do coke don’t usually use sex workers afterwards.

Personally, I’d have binned your ex for having a used condom in a drawer and claiming it could have been there for months! Yuck!

Where are your standards? You’re a mother and mid 30’s, come on, sort yourself out and give your head a shake. You want a drug addict who uses prostitutes as a father figure to your children? Seriously?

nerdgirl47 · 03/05/2020 22:50

Op I know you are hurting. Right now you don't want to believe it's over and you don't want to hear the 'harsh but true' comments from straight talking mumsnetters. I get it.

But seriously you have to know that this isn't right. Do you want a future of mistrust? Checking phones, wondering if everything he tells you is a lie? Do you want to your kids to grow up with a drug taking, lying, immature idiot who cheats and pays for sex as a significant role model in their lives? There is more for you out there, believe me. It will hurt now but it'll hurt even more in ten years time after however many more years of being ground down and lied to and made to feel worthless. Let him go now and save yourself years of misery.

The fact is he's broken it off with you and you can't change his mind. The 'you're too good for me' rubbish is pathetic. If he believed that and were a decent man wouldn't he do his best to change? He likes his lifestyle of nights out and Coke binges. You're a mother. Hes not ready for that.

He's maybe expecting you to go begging him to come back so he can graciously take you back and then treat you like shit again knowing that you'd sacrifice your own self respect to have him in your life. Don't do that. Nobody is worth that sacrifice.

Please do the right thing and be strong.

Innitogether · 03/05/2020 22:51

Do your children never say they love you?