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Think it’s over. Messages , escorts, open condom. Please help

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lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 17:14

Will try and be brief. Been with OH 18 months. We met through mutual friends. I have children with my ex husband . Kids were introduced slowly they all get on great. Kids like having him around asked when he would move in and I discussed how they would feel about it should that happen and they were all happy and excited and wanted it . I am mid 30s OH early 30s and he has no kids. I can’t have anymore children and although he said he couldn’t garantee one day he might not feel he wants a family of his own he doesn’t have an overwhelming feeling to have his own kids that he was happy with us he loved his time with us etc .

Recently a friend of his had a baby I mentioned I am sure one day he would love his own and he said I am happy with how things are. He did always say he would feel disappointed in life if he never married though. I have no aversion to remarrying (the marriage wasn’t the issue last time it was the person ) then recently another friend is expecting a baby in August and someone else we know in November. Again no desire expressed by him that he feels he’s missing out or broody .

I found out a while back that on nights outs with his mates (approx once a month) some of them do a few lines of coke . My ex used to do it and it caused a lot of issues. However he was also violent and abusive when drinking and doing drugs. My OH and I talked and I said as long as he never brought it into my house and never did it around me or my children or when I was with him then out with his mates while I don’t approve is his business and doesn’t effect me. I later found out after looking at his phone one of his friends deals it and that’s where they get it from and he has friends who ring him and he passes this guys number on as a favour. I gave him lots of opportunities to come clean and tell me and he didn’t. Until eventually I overheard a call and confronted him. We nearly broke up over it but he said he would stop being involved and he wanted a future with me and was sorry.

At the same time I saw on a holiday with some of his friends and family last year (booked before we were together) he messaged a girl on a dating app asking if she fancied meeting for a drink. Again I kept quiet and didn’t let on that I knew. I buried it and carried on.

I love and care for this man deeply. He lost him mum a couple of years ago and said I made him feel happy again and came into his life when everything was dark etc. We had both of us talked about buying somewhere together and one day marrying. He mentioned in the beginning of the year when we had been together a year the idea of us living together (he works , owns his own house but there’s now a tenant in and would have been with me so my children don’t have to move house and Schools etc ) I said sounds great let’s see in the summer about it but he started staying here a few times a week instead of just one to see how it felt being together that bit more.

In February we were going to meet two of his friends for lunch and a message came up on his in car system which he asked me to read to him. Under that was another message from an unsaved number sent at 5am that morning when he was staying at his dads house saying they only offer outcalls and not incalls. I know it was a massage parlour / escort agency from that and I confronted him. He said firsT of all a friend had done it and used his phone and I told him to have respect for me and admit it. He admitted he was drunk and doing drugs and he called the number but they were closed and could only come out and he didn’t have anyone go there as his dad brother and friends were there. He pleaded cried begged but did say maybe we would be better off ending it as I wouldn’t be able to trust him. I said maybe he should try counselling
He said he felt he was t good enough for me. That he’s always been hurt in relationships so throught that’s he’s bound to get screwed over again so what does it matter. He was so very upset and sorry for hurting me said I didn’t deserve it. He doesn’t deserve me and doesn’t deserve another chance. I wanted to make it work so let it go as a blip and a stupid drunken mistake although I was very hurt and felt inferior and not good enough. In March he did the same thing again. I found out as I hold my hands up and went through his phone. It was all there. Searches to brothels and massage parlours. He also gave his phone number to a random girl on the street and was emailing / messaging her for a bit the same night and he stayed up all night on a huge coke binge at the same time. (This was in a flat his family own in another town where he went on a weekend away with friends. But he went one night before everyone else on his own and did all this ) when j saw him online late he said he was up late as he didn’t feel well. I was worried about him being ill and there on his own as he’d been unwell at mine a couple of days before. He told his friend in a message it was a lie to shut me up and he was in the flat and paranoid from the amount of coke that he locked himself in one of the room as he thought there was a person next door )

Again i confronted him as it was the disrespect to me in these messages which I couldn’t believe. Laughing with friends bout messaging other girls and that I fell for his story of being ill. He then started counselling and has so far had 7 sessions. I even offered to do couples counselling alongside so that we could get back to how we were and work on things and have the life together we talked about.

Yesterday I was at his house and when I stood up to leave I looked down and in a drawer next to his bed (which was open) there was a worn condom laying there. I picked it up and said Why is this in your room. We don’t use them and haven’t had sex in that room anyway. He said he never uses the drawer someone else must have left it there from what could be months or years ago and it’s nothing to do with him . I didn’t argue I didn’t shout or scream I just felt very tired and said this is your bedroom how could you not know it was there. He said I don’t use that drawer and other people have stayed over in this room when I haven’t been here and it could be one of them. His cousin and girlfriend. Friends and girlfriends etc. His head dropped and he said I am telling the truth but I know you don’t believe me . I said I don’t know what to think and if you found it at my house you would find it hard to believe that it was as years old and I didn’t know how it got there
I have never found any actual evidence he’s cheated. Just times he’s come close. He said he doesn’t know why he’s done it. Etc

Anyway today he’s ended it with me. Says he needs to be on his own
He can’t stand keep making me unhappy and he can’t leave his phone unattended near me anymore and I won’t ever trust him
All suggestions of counselling together he’s saying no to. Says I will see it’s for the best and he wants to stay friends and still be able to meet up and have a kick about with the kids or take them out sometimes but he’s got too many issues to work on and he needs to put himself first and deal with them. He’s also said one day he might want kids and that option is off limits and it’s been bothering him for a while now. That maybe his best friend having a kid has made him think and he can’t guarantee he won’t one day want one and it’s something I can’t do with him. The idea of a surrogate if needs be was dismissed. Says he feels he’s no control over his life and it’s moving at 100mph ! No idea how I haven’t pushed him to move in. Marriage was briefly discussed a few times and by him as it happens as there’s a certain church he would like the ceremony in if possible but I could chose the reception if I was happy with that. Talked about areas we would consider buying in one day and when would be tha best time to move and both agreed 2 years time due to my children’s schooling. So none of this is about to happen tomorrow or next week.

I am hurting so much. I feel sick. I can’t stop crying. I feel ill. The future we talked about the plans we discussed. And then he’s going to meet someone else and do it all with them instead. Yesterday everything was fine. He cuddled me said he missed me loved me. I saw that condom and came home and now we are over

I feel broken. So broken and have no one I can talk to. I work long hours in a stressful job with people at times I am unhappy around. I feel so sad and lost

OP posts:
Sarcelle · 03/05/2020 22:59

He isn't any loss, he really isn't. He is a weak willed, lying, deceiving git. He is not some prince that leaves a great void in your life. You are better than him. Get some self respect.

Menora · 03/05/2020 22:59

You are doing well OP. Keep coming here. It’s like you will come out of a weird fog suddenly into normal life again.

BackseatCookers · 03/05/2020 23:04

You need to tell him no contact from now onwards then block him on everything. You are not yet strong enough not to cave if you get sad / lonely etc and hit a low point. Protect yourself and take proactive action now to mitigate the risks of you staying in touch. It's over - cut the cord.

HollowTalk · 03/05/2020 23:07

I don't know why anyone would say they'd go to a brothel because they were lonely or wanted some comfort after their mum died. That doesn't make sense and is really disrespectful to his mum for him to use that as an excuse.

lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 23:17

He said he was grieving
Drinking too mych felt unhappy and lonely. He had them visit him in his house which he was buying when she died. So he lost his mum and then moved out on his own into a property all in a very short space of time. He would go out with friends. Be the life and soul surround himself with people and then go home and be on his own. I know someone very close to me who once worked escorting and she did have people who would be drunk and out of it unable to perform and just want to chat rubbish pissed and coked up. He said sometimes he just drank with them . Sometimes tried to perform but couldn’t other times did . That he was ashamed and no one knew about it but he was in a dark place really struggling. That was before me and I don’t judge him for that at all. What’s gone on with me then no there’s no excuse not when in a relationship

OP posts:
tickertyboo · 03/05/2020 23:23

From reading your post I get the feeling that there is a great deal of emptiness in your life, from the lack of close friends for you to confide in and enjoy life with. Maybe it is time to ask yourself where did this side of things start to slide? When we are lonely and unsupported it is easy to allow one person into our lives thinking that they will solve everything for us. Only you can solve yourself. Only he can solve himself.

Remember that your children love you very, very much. They will sense that you are not alright and it will worry them. Treasure them, not him. x

lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 23:29

They adored him and this will hurt them . They would always ask when he was coming over or if I was on the phone they would ask to speak to him or ask me to take. A pic of something and send him. And he would speak to them , they would all discuss days out and films to watch and activities etc
He said he loved me and those kids which is why he said he still wants to be part of our lives as a friend. Yes I have heard and taken on board what everyone here has said. I am just talking about everything. That he loves spending time with us and we have all had some great times but he feels he needs to be on his own to sort himself out as he’s hurting me and he’s not in a good place

Condom wise yes i wonder if it is his and he knows the game is up. He knows he won’t be able to keep the lie up long enough and it get forgotten and that he willl he found out now which is why he’s ended it as the game is up

OP posts:
Seaweed42 · 03/05/2020 23:30

Coke heads think they are invincible.
He is a liar. He's shagged god knows who. That's the reality of him. He's used you and your beautiful children to pretend to himself that he's not a coke addict.
Love Vs Drugs. Drugs always win.
He's fucked up and you can't fix him.
You are well rid. He's taken advantage of your caring nature.
Do you want the drug squad around searching your house? Think the kids might be more upset about that.

SandyY2K · 03/05/2020 23:31

He's broken and so are you....because if he called you right now to come back, you'd accept him.with open arms.

Work on yourself before you enter another relationship..otherwise you'll accept more of the same.

You just excused his behaviour toll he did it again...you lowered your standards with his use of cocaine by saying as long as it's with friend and doesn't affect you, it's okay. You need to raise your bar and not be so desperate as to accept this man or bh others like him in your life.

He does lack maturity as he said himself. He has plenty growing up to do.

tickertyboo · 03/05/2020 23:31

Of course they did; because they could sense that he made you happy. All children want is happy parents. Think about this one. x

tickertyboo · 03/05/2020 23:40

You can create your own happiness for you and the children without him. It takes time and a willingness on your part to change. Good luck. x

EKGEMS · 03/05/2020 23:41

You got mixed up with a man with a hard drug addiction and you are deluding yourself if you think he hasn't been unfaithful. The nonsense he's telling you about his "destiny includes children" is farcical he's not responsible enough to keep a houseplant alive much less fathering a child

GilbertMarkham · 03/05/2020 23:50

Of course they did; because they could sense that he made you happy

Also in offense to them but children aren't exactly hard to impress or please must of the time - they think people who.derm exciting or are charming is pay them a bit of attention are wonderful. They naturally look up to adults are are naive .. they don't know anything about them.

They're not a hard sell most of the time

GilbertMarkham · 03/05/2020 23:50

*they think people who seem.exciting or are charming or pay them a bit of attention are wonderful. They naturally look up to adults and are naive .. they don't know anything about them.

essexmum777 · 04/05/2020 00:02

@lookingatthepast ' We haven’t started it yet as his counsellor wanted him to have a certain number of sessions just himself beforehand and she also said she would want to have individual sessions with me first before meeting us together'

This isn't right - there is no way a professional counsellor said this. By having individual sessions the counsellor builds up a relationship with the individual - with confidentiality built it - couples counselling has to be that from the outset.

Anyway - as the rest of mumsnet is telling you, if it walks like a talk, talks like a duck and quacks like a duck - then its a fucking duck.

famousforwrongreason · 04/05/2020 00:08

@tickertyboo your posts are spot on

MsDogLady · 04/05/2020 00:16

They adored him.

Well, he doesn’t adore them. If he did, he would have never treated their mother so despicably.

OP, please don’t sabotage your life and the lives of your children with this lying, cheating drug/alcohol abuser who enjoys paying for women and making a mockery of you.

PotatoesDieInHotCars · 04/05/2020 02:55

I've lost many people in my life. Not once have I felt the need to buy someone's body to use in my grief. He's disgusting and you should be judging him and asking yourself what is so lacking in your life that you can justify keeping this disgrace of a human in your children's lives.

So much drama for an 18 month relationship. Let him go. He doesn't deserve to be in your children's lives. Your children deserve better.

albionqueen · 04/05/2020 03:53

Please don't bother with this man in your life, he will never change, will always be on the lookout for prostitutes, he doesn't want a grown up relationship. Find someone who will VALUE YOU not disregard you feelings and treat you with such disrespect.

Raidblunner · 04/05/2020 04:21

I feel really sorry for you and your situation. Truly there's no way you want to be involved with a coke head. They will put one lie over another. My daughters finally filed for a divorce from her coke taking twat of a husband. It's worth mentioning to get your sexual health tested but you've probably done that! Do yourself a favour and your kids a favour. Stay away from him.

EventRider1 · 04/05/2020 04:55

OP I mean this in the nicest possible way but you need to give your head a fucking wobble!
In your posts you are coming across as desperate, especially in you attempts to justify his disgusting behaviour.
He doesn't care about you or your kids. If he did, he wouldn't be doing drugs and messaging escorts. It doesn't matter it he hasn't actually done anything with them, the intent was there and he clearly can't control himself. Using his mums death as an excuse if just fucking piss poor and he is spinning lies to come across as the good guy. No amount of counselling will ever make this better!!
At best, this guy would be a thorn in your side and a cock lodger.
Do yourself a favour and read this thread back. Imagine it was someone else or even your child when they they are older describing their relationship to you, what would you say? You would tell them they had a lucky escape and to not waste any more time on this loser.
I know it is easy saying that from the outside, especially when things are so fresh and raw from the breakup. You need to stay away from this guy and work on yourself a bit. Learn some self love and realise that you don't need a guy to completely your family.
If you can't do it for yourself, do it for your kids. This guy is not a good role model for them to have around.
The right guy will come along eventually, so please don't waste any more time on this man. As I say to my friend who always wastes her time with oxygen thieves, you will never find Mr Right if you are spending all of your time chasing after Mr Wrong!
Good luck OP x

inapickle1989 · 04/05/2020 08:55

Are you that damaged from your ex that you can't see that he doesn't give two shits about you ! Op I feel so sorry for you Iv been in your situation and I probably am right now . I'm going through hell at the moment . Pretty bad emotional abuse form my partner and I'm such so worn down by it all . I can't see a way out . That's what happens you get so damaged from a previous relationship . That youl settle for shit the next time because that's what you believe all your worth . I can tell just by reason a few seconds of your post that he doesn't care a kit you as for I know you won't trust me again I want to finish because you dervese better are all
Forms of emotional abuse . He says that you feel sorry for the poor man and take him back because you know , he is sorry after all . He's not. He's only sorry because he got caught out . Leave this disgusting sod for good . You deserve so much better than this. He won't change . He will be off his face on coke for many years . You won't be the one to save him x

crispysausagerolls · 04/05/2020 09:36

Even just ignoring the fact he has clearly cheated on you and is breaking up with you (and you are really believing the “it’s not you, it’s me” line).

HE TAKES DRUGS AND USES ESCORTS.

How the fuck can you contemplate this man being around your children?

I feel sorry for you but that’s shocking.

covidcougher · 04/05/2020 09:46

He's done you a favour. You deserve better.

Kaykay066 · 04/05/2020 10:16

Too much drama, you’re a women with kids with an ex partner than does drugs is friendly with dealers and is potentially up to all sorts and you can’t trust him as far as you can throw him, all this drama is that what you want from your life?...

You may adore him but it’s misguided
He’s a nob, it’s over don’t be friends just muddies the waters you need to value yourself, move on and meet someone who makes you feel amazing and special and someone who doesn’t cast doubt in your relationship. Yes your upset and hurt but this will pass and you’ll see exactly who this man really is...sorry you’re going through this but you need to focus on your children and your own life.