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Think it’s over. Messages , escorts, open condom. Please help

424 replies

lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 17:14

Will try and be brief. Been with OH 18 months. We met through mutual friends. I have children with my ex husband . Kids were introduced slowly they all get on great. Kids like having him around asked when he would move in and I discussed how they would feel about it should that happen and they were all happy and excited and wanted it . I am mid 30s OH early 30s and he has no kids. I can’t have anymore children and although he said he couldn’t garantee one day he might not feel he wants a family of his own he doesn’t have an overwhelming feeling to have his own kids that he was happy with us he loved his time with us etc .

Recently a friend of his had a baby I mentioned I am sure one day he would love his own and he said I am happy with how things are. He did always say he would feel disappointed in life if he never married though. I have no aversion to remarrying (the marriage wasn’t the issue last time it was the person ) then recently another friend is expecting a baby in August and someone else we know in November. Again no desire expressed by him that he feels he’s missing out or broody .

I found out a while back that on nights outs with his mates (approx once a month) some of them do a few lines of coke . My ex used to do it and it caused a lot of issues. However he was also violent and abusive when drinking and doing drugs. My OH and I talked and I said as long as he never brought it into my house and never did it around me or my children or when I was with him then out with his mates while I don’t approve is his business and doesn’t effect me. I later found out after looking at his phone one of his friends deals it and that’s where they get it from and he has friends who ring him and he passes this guys number on as a favour. I gave him lots of opportunities to come clean and tell me and he didn’t. Until eventually I overheard a call and confronted him. We nearly broke up over it but he said he would stop being involved and he wanted a future with me and was sorry.

At the same time I saw on a holiday with some of his friends and family last year (booked before we were together) he messaged a girl on a dating app asking if she fancied meeting for a drink. Again I kept quiet and didn’t let on that I knew. I buried it and carried on.

I love and care for this man deeply. He lost him mum a couple of years ago and said I made him feel happy again and came into his life when everything was dark etc. We had both of us talked about buying somewhere together and one day marrying. He mentioned in the beginning of the year when we had been together a year the idea of us living together (he works , owns his own house but there’s now a tenant in and would have been with me so my children don’t have to move house and Schools etc ) I said sounds great let’s see in the summer about it but he started staying here a few times a week instead of just one to see how it felt being together that bit more.

In February we were going to meet two of his friends for lunch and a message came up on his in car system which he asked me to read to him. Under that was another message from an unsaved number sent at 5am that morning when he was staying at his dads house saying they only offer outcalls and not incalls. I know it was a massage parlour / escort agency from that and I confronted him. He said firsT of all a friend had done it and used his phone and I told him to have respect for me and admit it. He admitted he was drunk and doing drugs and he called the number but they were closed and could only come out and he didn’t have anyone go there as his dad brother and friends were there. He pleaded cried begged but did say maybe we would be better off ending it as I wouldn’t be able to trust him. I said maybe he should try counselling
He said he felt he was t good enough for me. That he’s always been hurt in relationships so throught that’s he’s bound to get screwed over again so what does it matter. He was so very upset and sorry for hurting me said I didn’t deserve it. He doesn’t deserve me and doesn’t deserve another chance. I wanted to make it work so let it go as a blip and a stupid drunken mistake although I was very hurt and felt inferior and not good enough. In March he did the same thing again. I found out as I hold my hands up and went through his phone. It was all there. Searches to brothels and massage parlours. He also gave his phone number to a random girl on the street and was emailing / messaging her for a bit the same night and he stayed up all night on a huge coke binge at the same time. (This was in a flat his family own in another town where he went on a weekend away with friends. But he went one night before everyone else on his own and did all this ) when j saw him online late he said he was up late as he didn’t feel well. I was worried about him being ill and there on his own as he’d been unwell at mine a couple of days before. He told his friend in a message it was a lie to shut me up and he was in the flat and paranoid from the amount of coke that he locked himself in one of the room as he thought there was a person next door )

Again i confronted him as it was the disrespect to me in these messages which I couldn’t believe. Laughing with friends bout messaging other girls and that I fell for his story of being ill. He then started counselling and has so far had 7 sessions. I even offered to do couples counselling alongside so that we could get back to how we were and work on things and have the life together we talked about.

Yesterday I was at his house and when I stood up to leave I looked down and in a drawer next to his bed (which was open) there was a worn condom laying there. I picked it up and said Why is this in your room. We don’t use them and haven’t had sex in that room anyway. He said he never uses the drawer someone else must have left it there from what could be months or years ago and it’s nothing to do with him . I didn’t argue I didn’t shout or scream I just felt very tired and said this is your bedroom how could you not know it was there. He said I don’t use that drawer and other people have stayed over in this room when I haven’t been here and it could be one of them. His cousin and girlfriend. Friends and girlfriends etc. His head dropped and he said I am telling the truth but I know you don’t believe me . I said I don’t know what to think and if you found it at my house you would find it hard to believe that it was as years old and I didn’t know how it got there
I have never found any actual evidence he’s cheated. Just times he’s come close. He said he doesn’t know why he’s done it. Etc

Anyway today he’s ended it with me. Says he needs to be on his own
He can’t stand keep making me unhappy and he can’t leave his phone unattended near me anymore and I won’t ever trust him
All suggestions of counselling together he’s saying no to. Says I will see it’s for the best and he wants to stay friends and still be able to meet up and have a kick about with the kids or take them out sometimes but he’s got too many issues to work on and he needs to put himself first and deal with them. He’s also said one day he might want kids and that option is off limits and it’s been bothering him for a while now. That maybe his best friend having a kid has made him think and he can’t guarantee he won’t one day want one and it’s something I can’t do with him. The idea of a surrogate if needs be was dismissed. Says he feels he’s no control over his life and it’s moving at 100mph ! No idea how I haven’t pushed him to move in. Marriage was briefly discussed a few times and by him as it happens as there’s a certain church he would like the ceremony in if possible but I could chose the reception if I was happy with that. Talked about areas we would consider buying in one day and when would be tha best time to move and both agreed 2 years time due to my children’s schooling. So none of this is about to happen tomorrow or next week.

I am hurting so much. I feel sick. I can’t stop crying. I feel ill. The future we talked about the plans we discussed. And then he’s going to meet someone else and do it all with them instead. Yesterday everything was fine. He cuddled me said he missed me loved me. I saw that condom and came home and now we are over

I feel broken. So broken and have no one I can talk to. I work long hours in a stressful job with people at times I am unhappy around. I feel so sad and lost

OP posts:
Skyla2005 · 02/08/2020 20:41

Why would you want to be with him ? His disgusting

ArthurandJessie · 02/08/2020 21:15

Gawd bringing this man into your life when you've got kids is completely irresponsible

Tiffbiff · 02/08/2020 22:15

It gets easier, but you really need to help yourself and STOP seeing this guy.

Genuinely, if he is at all interested, he will come find you and make the effort, but right now he’s having his cake and eating it. Can see you when he wants and go to brothels then decide about no this isn’t fair on guy’ as I way of backing out’

Do not text or reply to anything for the next two weeks. If he doesn’t come to get you, that’s not a relationship you want- those texts were not jokes to his friends.

There are soooo many other men out there who will want what he doesn’t- I promise!

Closetbeanmuncher · 02/08/2020 22:58

Sadly I think you're going to waste more months if not years trying to polish a turd until you're broken into pieces and the penny finally drops.

I'm just utterly shocked that you still want to be around this person because I find the description of him alone utterly repulsive.

I hope you've tested yourself for STDs.... It truly hurts my soul that women settle for fucktarded trash like this as their lot in life.

You CANT change his behaviour OP but you CAN shake off the victim mentality and refuse to be disrespected.

Find your pride and ram that boot up his lodged up-crackhead arse.

GarlicMcAtackney · 02/08/2020 23:18

Forcing your cokehead sex worker molesting (bought consent is not consent) boyfriend into your kids lives is repugnant and indefensible. Keep your poor selections of males away from your kids, ffs. It’s not a dilemma.

backseatcookers · 02/08/2020 23:20

Have you still not cut contact OP?

lookingatthepast · 03/08/2020 00:15

@BackseatCookers I cut all contact 3 days ago

OP posts:
lookingatthepast · 03/08/2020 00:20

Yes he and he alone wrecked it all. He had a lovely girlfriend who loved him he gambled with it rolled the dice and now has left me as I am infertile.

I want to be alone now. It’s given me major trust issues and I can’t keep going through this sort of pain. And in all honesty who’s going to want a divorced woman with more than 3 children who can’t have anymore. They won’t exactly be queuing round the block when I am in the right place to try dating and look for someone again anyway. My ex husband was right. I will end up on my own as no one will want me he also said I repel people I don’t attract them. He was right all along.

OP posts:
hammie46i · 03/08/2020 00:32

I don't think he's left you because you're infertile. That's just the socially acceptable reason that he will tell other people. I think he left you because you and your kid were getting in the way of his hard partying, drug using, prostitute using, cheating, lifestyle.

If anyone asks you should tell them the truth, he left you because he likes to use prostitutes and drugs and obviously that doesn't work in relationship.

I don't know why you're focusing on the infertility so much - maybe because you feel like you're the one at fault and you're beating yourself up about it. He's a poor excuse for a human being, that's why he left you. What's the betting he won't even go on to have kids.

Hidingtonothing · 03/08/2020 00:48

Better alone than with this scumbag OP, there are worse things than being single and being with him is one of them. Well done for blocking him, he's not worth another second of your time Flowers

spudlike1 · 03/08/2020 01:02

Why are you allowing men to define who you are ? why are you allowing men to define how you feel about your self ?
get some professional help

spudlike1 · 03/08/2020 01:06

Just educate yourself . there are decent men so work out why you hit repeat on the cunts of this world

Gribbit987 · 03/08/2020 01:08

Sounds like you’ve had an awfully tough life. You’ve lost your sense of worth and you’re hugely desperately depressed.

You were married to a vile human. You then dated someone who wasn’t half as vile. That doesn’t make him a good man.

The sex workers, the benders at his age, the deception and disrespect, using the death of a loved one to excuse his awful behaviour, the used condom, the cocaine.... honestly he’s awful. Just because he doesn’t beat you, doesn’t intimidate you, can behave in a loving family manner when it suits him. That shouldn’t be enough.

I’m sure the loss of fertility was very traumatic. However, thankfully you’ve been blessed. You have children. You don’t need more children. Make the ones you have your focus. Make yourself your focus. This relationship didn’t fail because of anything you could or couldn’t provide. It’s failed because he isn’t capable of being a decent human being.

There are plenty of men who will partner up with a person who has kids. They might have a few themselves, they might never have wanted them. They might be overjoyed to play the father role after being infertile. Who knows. There’s a lot of men out there and you need to be patient and work on yourself until a man good enough for you and your kids pops up. They do pop up you know 😁 A bus trip, in the supermarket, at an event you attend for the kids. Someone will be along in your future who can be the man you need them to be.

This man wasn’t the answer to your happiness. He wasn’t someone who should be around your children and he wasn’t someone you should desire to have a child via surrogate with. He wasn’t a keeper in any stretch of the imagination. He was just better than your truly dangerously disgustingly vile ex. That’s too low a benchmark.

You deserve better. Your children deserve better. You will be ok just give it time. A lot of people love and rely on you. Look after yourself and start the healing process. Stay man free for a while whilst you recombobulate. You underestimate your strength. Someone who has gone through what you have with your ex is strong enough to get over this relationship. It hurts but you will heal.

spudlike1 · 03/08/2020 01:17

He is extra extra vile because he recognises a vulnerability and ( your infertility) and uses it against you , he knows how to abuse and inflict pain on you he is skilled

famousforwrongreason · 03/08/2020 01:29

I have repeated this relationship several times from childhood with my addict father through to most of my partners including exh. I have repeated the pattern over again, ignored red flags because I guess subconsciously this is the only kind of man I feel comfortable with as they’re familiar and mirror my childhood experiences.
He won’t change. He won’t change. He has let you go because you’re starting to make it difficult for him to carry on lying.
He really has done you a favor, and your kids.
I guarantee that you are not 100% present for them whilst he’s taking up your headspace.

hammie46i · 03/08/2020 01:47

@spudlike1

He is extra extra vile because he recognises a vulnerability and ( your infertility) and uses it against you , he knows how to abuse and inflict pain on you he is skilled
I think you're right about that. He's inflicting further pain on OP by claiming it's about her "deficiencies" (i.e. the infertility) when actually the real reason for this relationship not working, is that he's a massive cunt who doesn't deserve to be in a relationship with a woman.

OP you already have 3 kids, do I have that right? You never needed to have another one with this absolute waste of oxygen. You are enough. Just please keep away from him and his poison. Then you can start to heal. If you get back in touch with him, it's like picking off the scab and the wound is opened again.

lookingatthepast · 03/08/2020 02:05

@Gribbit987 yes could say that. This was my post from a different thread
Has my background on. My dad was one of four men and I spent 17 years searching for him to find he was dead and died when I was a child. I never met him. The other men in the frame were all married to other ppl when I was born.

Posted in relationships recently but to be honest I am just tired. Tired of being hurt, of having to be strong, of crying on my own, the feelings of abandonment which physically hurt. Of people hating me. I sleep as much as i can day and night when not at work. It just stops the hurting and the pain.

I try so hard to make other people happy. Yes co dependent.
My ex husband was alcoholic used coke and abusive physically
All his family have turned their back on me after we split and I divorced him
I have been a sex worker in the past to pay bills (ex husband suggested it and knew)
i am a parent but i feel so sorry for my children as I just think i am failing them and I just want to be able to die and them have a happier life without me
in reality their lives would be ruined by me dying so I feel trapped into staying alive
I dont have many friends and the couple i do have know how i feel but say its ok your strong you will be ok. the other is very critical of me and my life
I never knew or met my dad and hes now dead all i have is a grave to go to
I am lobely. I feel worthless , totally unloved and alone. I just want someone to love me. For me to matter to someone
Just split up with my partner of 20 months. Found out he was fond of coke too and he called up massage parlours and ,essaged other girls a few times. I forgave him, he says nothing happened, but he ended it saying its best for both of us.
He wanted kids of his own one day and I cant have anymore
I had a hysterectomy at 30.. i am now feeling trauma about the surgery (medical reasons didnt get much real option and never grieved for the loss ) yes i know i am lucky to have had kids. But its still a loss and trauma
ex husband stalked and harrassed me when we split. I had to go to womens aid and get a non mol as police wouldnt bring charges as CPS said no despite him admitting it so he only got a caution.

I just feel utterly broken

OP posts:
1forAll74 · 03/08/2020 02:22

I don't know what his mixed up problems are, or what has made him like this, but I would think you would be better off without him in your life.

Drugs for a start, can mess up peoples minds, and the things that he does truly indicates this. The fact that you check up on him on his phone shows that you don't trust him, but maybe just as well in this case. as you have seen into his mess of a lifestyle.

At least he has a little sense, by ending things, because he can see that his lifestyle will impact on your happiness if he stayed around.

hammie46i · 03/08/2020 05:08

[quote lookingatthepast]@Gribbit987 yes could say that. This was my post from a different thread
Has my background on. My dad was one of four men and I spent 17 years searching for him to find he was dead and died when I was a child. I never met him. The other men in the frame were all married to other ppl when I was born.

Posted in relationships recently but to be honest I am just tired. Tired of being hurt, of having to be strong, of crying on my own, the feelings of abandonment which physically hurt. Of people hating me. I sleep as much as i can day and night when not at work. It just stops the hurting and the pain.

I try so hard to make other people happy. Yes co dependent.
My ex husband was alcoholic used coke and abusive physically
All his family have turned their back on me after we split and I divorced him
I have been a sex worker in the past to pay bills (ex husband suggested it and knew)
i am a parent but i feel so sorry for my children as I just think i am failing them and I just want to be able to die and them have a happier life without me
in reality their lives would be ruined by me dying so I feel trapped into staying alive
I dont have many friends and the couple i do have know how i feel but say its ok your strong you will be ok. the other is very critical of me and my life
I never knew or met my dad and hes now dead all i have is a grave to go to
I am lobely. I feel worthless , totally unloved and alone. I just want someone to love me. For me to matter to someone
Just split up with my partner of 20 months. Found out he was fond of coke too and he called up massage parlours and ,essaged other girls a few times. I forgave him, he says nothing happened, but he ended it saying its best for both of us.
He wanted kids of his own one day and I cant have anymore
I had a hysterectomy at 30.. i am now feeling trauma about the surgery (medical reasons didnt get much real option and never grieved for the loss ) yes i know i am lucky to have had kids. But its still a loss and trauma
ex husband stalked and harrassed me when we split. I had to go to womens aid and get a non mol as police wouldnt bring charges as CPS said no despite him admitting it so he only got a caution.

I just feel utterly broken[/quote]
@lookingatthepast I'm so sorry that you've been through all these things. Both of these men sound beyond awful.

Have you ever been into therapy? (Sorry if you mentioned it elsewhere in the thread and I missed it.) That could be something to look into.

I came from an abusive background and was in therapy for a while. It helped. I know what it's like to feel worthless and I know what it's like to have a man make you feel like that. You deserve so much better than what you've had in the past and you can rebuild your life & self-esteem.

hammie46i · 03/08/2020 05:11

@lookingatthepast

Yes he and he alone wrecked it all. He had a lovely girlfriend who loved him he gambled with it rolled the dice and now has left me as I am infertile.

I want to be alone now. It’s given me major trust issues and I can’t keep going through this sort of pain. And in all honesty who’s going to want a divorced woman with more than 3 children who can’t have anymore. They won’t exactly be queuing round the block when I am in the right place to try dating and look for someone again anyway. My ex husband was right. I will end up on my own as no one will want me he also said I repel people I don’t attract them. He was right all along.

Actually your ex-husband was wrong. Eventually you will meet someone so much nicer than both of the men you've been involved with recently. But you will probably need to do some work (like counselling/therapy) to get there.

I know plenty of single mothers who have no problems finding dates.

bigvig · 03/08/2020 07:59

I couldn't read and run after your last post. You say you are worthless and no-one will love you but you have children. Try to focus on them and forget about finding love with a bloke for a while. It sounds like you enjoy and are really good at your job and have your own house. These are all positives. You are so strong to have survived all you have. You are strong enough now to leave this feckless pathetic arsehole.

GreekOddess · 03/08/2020 08:08

I don't usually post on threads like this but felt I needed to on this one.

Your ex is utter scum a complete piece of low life shit that isn't worthy of oxygen.

Please please get some counselling so you don't make the same mistake again. He isn't worth your tears. He isn't worth anything.

Onacleardayyoucansee · 03/08/2020 15:28

It's great that you have cut contact. You can now go through the healthy pain of getting better rather than stay in the endless pain of toxic relationship.

You are grieving the fantasy of what you hoped this might be.
The reality is very different.

What is there left for you to see? What would he have to do for you to say no to this?

I know women in their 60s who have travelled this path and lost their jobs, homes, relationships with their friends, adult children and families because of these toxic relationships. They have immune problems cancers and other sicknesses and start to get they symptoms of being an addict themselves.

Today is the least damage you can escape with.
Take the hit.

Consider AlAnon Coda or SLAA where you can start to work on your boundaries and esteem safely.

There is a way out.
Just for today, choose you.
Tomorrow.
Same again.

Closetbeanmuncher · 03/08/2020 16:37

He wanted kids of his own one day and I cant have anymore

Hammie is correct. He used this as an excuse when in truth it's because you interfere with his hooker using crackhead lifestyle.

You're life sounds tough but you don't have to let those things define you. Look at the things you've overcome and realise that actually you're a lot stronger than you think.

If you put your sense of value and security in someone else's hands you are setting yourself up to fail instantly and will remain fragile.

Your self esteem sounds in absolute tatters and I strongly advise you to work on that before attempting another relationship, as whilst this is low you are extremely vunerable.

I can tell that you're kind and articulate. Shit is for shit OP; you are NOT for someone like him...not in a million years.

I'm really relieved to hear that you've gone no contact. See him for what is is, not what you hoped he could be.

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