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Think it’s over. Messages , escorts, open condom. Please help

424 replies

lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 17:14

Will try and be brief. Been with OH 18 months. We met through mutual friends. I have children with my ex husband . Kids were introduced slowly they all get on great. Kids like having him around asked when he would move in and I discussed how they would feel about it should that happen and they were all happy and excited and wanted it . I am mid 30s OH early 30s and he has no kids. I can’t have anymore children and although he said he couldn’t garantee one day he might not feel he wants a family of his own he doesn’t have an overwhelming feeling to have his own kids that he was happy with us he loved his time with us etc .

Recently a friend of his had a baby I mentioned I am sure one day he would love his own and he said I am happy with how things are. He did always say he would feel disappointed in life if he never married though. I have no aversion to remarrying (the marriage wasn’t the issue last time it was the person ) then recently another friend is expecting a baby in August and someone else we know in November. Again no desire expressed by him that he feels he’s missing out or broody .

I found out a while back that on nights outs with his mates (approx once a month) some of them do a few lines of coke . My ex used to do it and it caused a lot of issues. However he was also violent and abusive when drinking and doing drugs. My OH and I talked and I said as long as he never brought it into my house and never did it around me or my children or when I was with him then out with his mates while I don’t approve is his business and doesn’t effect me. I later found out after looking at his phone one of his friends deals it and that’s where they get it from and he has friends who ring him and he passes this guys number on as a favour. I gave him lots of opportunities to come clean and tell me and he didn’t. Until eventually I overheard a call and confronted him. We nearly broke up over it but he said he would stop being involved and he wanted a future with me and was sorry.

At the same time I saw on a holiday with some of his friends and family last year (booked before we were together) he messaged a girl on a dating app asking if she fancied meeting for a drink. Again I kept quiet and didn’t let on that I knew. I buried it and carried on.

I love and care for this man deeply. He lost him mum a couple of years ago and said I made him feel happy again and came into his life when everything was dark etc. We had both of us talked about buying somewhere together and one day marrying. He mentioned in the beginning of the year when we had been together a year the idea of us living together (he works , owns his own house but there’s now a tenant in and would have been with me so my children don’t have to move house and Schools etc ) I said sounds great let’s see in the summer about it but he started staying here a few times a week instead of just one to see how it felt being together that bit more.

In February we were going to meet two of his friends for lunch and a message came up on his in car system which he asked me to read to him. Under that was another message from an unsaved number sent at 5am that morning when he was staying at his dads house saying they only offer outcalls and not incalls. I know it was a massage parlour / escort agency from that and I confronted him. He said firsT of all a friend had done it and used his phone and I told him to have respect for me and admit it. He admitted he was drunk and doing drugs and he called the number but they were closed and could only come out and he didn’t have anyone go there as his dad brother and friends were there. He pleaded cried begged but did say maybe we would be better off ending it as I wouldn’t be able to trust him. I said maybe he should try counselling
He said he felt he was t good enough for me. That he’s always been hurt in relationships so throught that’s he’s bound to get screwed over again so what does it matter. He was so very upset and sorry for hurting me said I didn’t deserve it. He doesn’t deserve me and doesn’t deserve another chance. I wanted to make it work so let it go as a blip and a stupid drunken mistake although I was very hurt and felt inferior and not good enough. In March he did the same thing again. I found out as I hold my hands up and went through his phone. It was all there. Searches to brothels and massage parlours. He also gave his phone number to a random girl on the street and was emailing / messaging her for a bit the same night and he stayed up all night on a huge coke binge at the same time. (This was in a flat his family own in another town where he went on a weekend away with friends. But he went one night before everyone else on his own and did all this ) when j saw him online late he said he was up late as he didn’t feel well. I was worried about him being ill and there on his own as he’d been unwell at mine a couple of days before. He told his friend in a message it was a lie to shut me up and he was in the flat and paranoid from the amount of coke that he locked himself in one of the room as he thought there was a person next door )

Again i confronted him as it was the disrespect to me in these messages which I couldn’t believe. Laughing with friends bout messaging other girls and that I fell for his story of being ill. He then started counselling and has so far had 7 sessions. I even offered to do couples counselling alongside so that we could get back to how we were and work on things and have the life together we talked about.

Yesterday I was at his house and when I stood up to leave I looked down and in a drawer next to his bed (which was open) there was a worn condom laying there. I picked it up and said Why is this in your room. We don’t use them and haven’t had sex in that room anyway. He said he never uses the drawer someone else must have left it there from what could be months or years ago and it’s nothing to do with him . I didn’t argue I didn’t shout or scream I just felt very tired and said this is your bedroom how could you not know it was there. He said I don’t use that drawer and other people have stayed over in this room when I haven’t been here and it could be one of them. His cousin and girlfriend. Friends and girlfriends etc. His head dropped and he said I am telling the truth but I know you don’t believe me . I said I don’t know what to think and if you found it at my house you would find it hard to believe that it was as years old and I didn’t know how it got there
I have never found any actual evidence he’s cheated. Just times he’s come close. He said he doesn’t know why he’s done it. Etc

Anyway today he’s ended it with me. Says he needs to be on his own
He can’t stand keep making me unhappy and he can’t leave his phone unattended near me anymore and I won’t ever trust him
All suggestions of counselling together he’s saying no to. Says I will see it’s for the best and he wants to stay friends and still be able to meet up and have a kick about with the kids or take them out sometimes but he’s got too many issues to work on and he needs to put himself first and deal with them. He’s also said one day he might want kids and that option is off limits and it’s been bothering him for a while now. That maybe his best friend having a kid has made him think and he can’t guarantee he won’t one day want one and it’s something I can’t do with him. The idea of a surrogate if needs be was dismissed. Says he feels he’s no control over his life and it’s moving at 100mph ! No idea how I haven’t pushed him to move in. Marriage was briefly discussed a few times and by him as it happens as there’s a certain church he would like the ceremony in if possible but I could chose the reception if I was happy with that. Talked about areas we would consider buying in one day and when would be tha best time to move and both agreed 2 years time due to my children’s schooling. So none of this is about to happen tomorrow or next week.

I am hurting so much. I feel sick. I can’t stop crying. I feel ill. The future we talked about the plans we discussed. And then he’s going to meet someone else and do it all with them instead. Yesterday everything was fine. He cuddled me said he missed me loved me. I saw that condom and came home and now we are over

I feel broken. So broken and have no one I can talk to. I work long hours in a stressful job with people at times I am unhappy around. I feel so sad and lost

OP posts:
bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 03/05/2020 20:04

Walk away and work through the Freedom Programme. The online course and the two books are the best £24 you'll ever spend.

Menora · 03/05/2020 20:05

You have said it for yourself
You don’t know what makes you happy so the only thing you can do is make other people happy. People who are abusers can see this and take advantage of it. You also want to feel worth something by managing to save him from himself. He even let you think you could have a chance of saving him then he’s stolen it from you. It was never real.

Even therapists don’t save their clients they listen, it’s up to the person having the counselling to change. A lot of people go to counselling but never really talk about the real problems as it’s too painful and humiliating so they cover it up with drink drugs and sex. He’s the only person who can change himself and he doesn’t want to change. Someone can go to 25 counselling sessions but nothing changes because they aren’t being honest

The way I see this from my own point of view of it happening to me is that it is not you were not good enough. You had a use - you were an escape from his problems. A pretend play at being happy and stable. That got boring and he wants to move on. There is nothing you could have done more or less of to stop him getting bored of a stable safe relationship.

It’s what you do now that is important. You need to get your own counselling. You need to block him from your life. You need to focus on yourself and your children. You need to make sure that you do find out how to make yourself happy

1Micem0use · 03/05/2020 20:07

You need an std check

SunShine682 · 03/05/2020 20:08

He’s a coke head
He’s a cunt
He’s messaging random women he’s giving his number to
He’s messaging escorts
You found a used condom in his bedroom

Need I say more?!

And your upset he dumped you? Really?! It hurts now but give it a few months and you will be thinking what the fuck.

AnyFucker · 03/05/2020 20:10

This didn't just "happen"

This is who he is

ShellieEllie · 03/05/2020 20:15

He's done you a favour, he's vile. Do you really want a junkie around your children? Please let the answer be no! Your children (and you!) deserve so much better. And you need to get yourself an appointment at the sexual health clinic asap.

AllTheWhoresOfMalta · 03/05/2020 20:16

Fuck all of this OP. The man is a scumbag and a cheater AND a drug addict. He’s doing you a massive favour. You’ll realise that soon. I’m sorry you’re hurting but you’ll save yourself a lot of heartache in the long term.

lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 20:21

Just to add his counsellor said she didn’t believe he has a cocaine addiction it was more he’s trying to fit in with the crowd.

He always wants to be liked and be popular

OP posts:
lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 20:23

He’s always said he doesn’t crave it. Doesn’t always do it. Will only do a couple of lines and only if he’s drinking all day like going to football and out afterwards. Most of the time he doesn’t actually drink alcohol .

Explaining and not justifying as I don’t like coke use at all. Just explaining the people who say he’s a druggie and addict and so on.

OP posts:
ScrambledSmegs · 03/05/2020 20:23

So he's weak and a lying cheating cock.

And you're twisting yourself up in knots about him? Why?

Menora · 03/05/2020 20:23

Yeah that explains why he went on a solo coke binge in a flat by himself and then text a random girl off the street. Cos he wants to fit in with his mates Hmm
Come on

ErickBroch · 03/05/2020 20:24

Why does it matter if he is technically addicted or not? if not that's worse - he just chooses to over and over again. Why have you come on here? To defend him to strangers? This scumbag left you, not the other way around, which to be honest should make you re-think a lot of your decisions.

ErickBroch · 03/05/2020 20:24

Menora Grin exactly

BackseatCookers · 03/05/2020 20:25

Right so what's the plan then OP?

You need to go no contact, quickly, because you are still using so much energy on intellectualising someone who has treated you absolutely appallingly.

You can be sad, upset, devastated even - none of that requires you to be in touch with him at all.

If he cares about you at all then he'll respect you saying you don't want contact. So can you tell him that?

Menora · 03/05/2020 20:26

He is a druggie. He regularly takes drugs to get high. He also knows dealers.

Toxalina · 03/05/2020 20:27

Cokeheads, they all the same. Only really give a shit about the fix. You cant change him. They have this way, they all have it.. you haven't learnt yet, he wont stop it.. none of it was real, move on and be strong

Hopeisnotastrategy · 03/05/2020 20:28

Do yourself a massive favour OP.

Stop trying to make excuses for him, stop trying to make it fit when it doesn’t and seriously, raise your standards. Honestly. x

rvby · 03/05/2020 20:28

He said, he said, he said. Your posts are full of that phrase.

Talk is the cheapest, easiest thing in the world.

Its actions you have to look at. There is no way around it. If you want to have happy relationships you NEED to look at how you are treated and what the partner is DOING.

Being charmed and talked around and given the waterworks and so on...all that is a way to get you to stop concentrating on his actions. All your "he saids" are worth nothing at all.

He is brothel punter who likes cocaine and laughs to his friends about cheating on you.

He dumped you because you were getting too interested in curtailing the things he wanted to do. He is looking for a woman who will put up and shut up. You have shown you arent that woman, so he has ended it.

In future go by actions only OP. You arent helping yourself by being gullible to sweet talk. Flowers

AnyFucker · 03/05/2020 20:29

I would have more respect for an addict, tbh. At least an addict has some excuse for their actions. He just enjoys getting fucked up and touting for sex.

12345kbm · 03/05/2020 20:31

OP were you privy to the counselling sessions?

If you weren't then it would seem he's probably LYING to you, because that's what he does.

Please don't date until you've done some serious work on yourself because otherwise you'll be here in three months having met another lying, cheating, fuckwit riddled with STDs and a sob story about a dead goldfish.

Shouldershrugger · 03/05/2020 20:31

He's a cokehead. He uses escorts services. Trust me, if he's texting then he's using. Especially and without a doubt when he's on coke. He told you what you wanted to hear!! Fgs, focus on your kids and start working on your self esteem. Just cos this guy seemed better in comparison to ur ex, doesn't mean that's all your worth. You deserve someone much better.

AllTheWhoresOfMalta · 03/05/2020 20:32

Also, the prostitutes and drug stuff is bad even for wrong uns. I had a shitty and abuse ex but he was at least just a common or garden cheat and drunk. Yours is even worse than that. You don’t want that around your kids.

Teedeepie · 03/05/2020 20:32

It’s incredibly sad that in almost every post you are still making excuses for him and trying to explain why he may have got himself into this situation and to a degree justifying it.

You cannot change him. Only he can do that. You can not control his bad behaviour. Only he can do that.

You can however stop allowing yourself to be treated like this over and over and over again. You have given him chances (way too many in my point of view) and he still continued his disgusting behaviour. Stop trying to save him now and save yourself and your children from any further heartache.

Yes it will hurt and for a while you will mourn the ideallic future you thought you had with him. But none of that is real. What is real is the drug taking (and why you would want to continue with him knowing this, when you have children, I will never understand) messaging escorts, being disrespectful about you to his mates and now a used condom. He didn’t even care enough to make sure you didn’t stumble across it (to me that is when it would finally dawn on me just how little he gives a fuck).

You need time to heal and I would suggest counselling to reset your own boundaries Flowers

liferips · 03/05/2020 20:32

OP your self esteem is in the gutter for you to want to be with someone like this.

I used to be like this and cannot believe the crap I used to put up with and actually thought I was losing out the numerous times we broke up.

I really feel for you but PLEASE stop begging for scraps from someone who has used prostitutes (fucking eww) - whether it was before you or during.

It's obvious to an outsider he has been cheating on you but I've been where you are and it's clear you will believe whatever he wants you to because you think so little of yourself that you can't cope with being rejected by such a piece of shit.

He's done you a favour and I hope he doesn't come back.

justasking111 · 03/05/2020 20:34

I would get to an std clinic as soon as you can.

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