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Think it’s over. Messages , escorts, open condom. Please help

424 replies

lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 17:14

Will try and be brief. Been with OH 18 months. We met through mutual friends. I have children with my ex husband . Kids were introduced slowly they all get on great. Kids like having him around asked when he would move in and I discussed how they would feel about it should that happen and they were all happy and excited and wanted it . I am mid 30s OH early 30s and he has no kids. I can’t have anymore children and although he said he couldn’t garantee one day he might not feel he wants a family of his own he doesn’t have an overwhelming feeling to have his own kids that he was happy with us he loved his time with us etc .

Recently a friend of his had a baby I mentioned I am sure one day he would love his own and he said I am happy with how things are. He did always say he would feel disappointed in life if he never married though. I have no aversion to remarrying (the marriage wasn’t the issue last time it was the person ) then recently another friend is expecting a baby in August and someone else we know in November. Again no desire expressed by him that he feels he’s missing out or broody .

I found out a while back that on nights outs with his mates (approx once a month) some of them do a few lines of coke . My ex used to do it and it caused a lot of issues. However he was also violent and abusive when drinking and doing drugs. My OH and I talked and I said as long as he never brought it into my house and never did it around me or my children or when I was with him then out with his mates while I don’t approve is his business and doesn’t effect me. I later found out after looking at his phone one of his friends deals it and that’s where they get it from and he has friends who ring him and he passes this guys number on as a favour. I gave him lots of opportunities to come clean and tell me and he didn’t. Until eventually I overheard a call and confronted him. We nearly broke up over it but he said he would stop being involved and he wanted a future with me and was sorry.

At the same time I saw on a holiday with some of his friends and family last year (booked before we were together) he messaged a girl on a dating app asking if she fancied meeting for a drink. Again I kept quiet and didn’t let on that I knew. I buried it and carried on.

I love and care for this man deeply. He lost him mum a couple of years ago and said I made him feel happy again and came into his life when everything was dark etc. We had both of us talked about buying somewhere together and one day marrying. He mentioned in the beginning of the year when we had been together a year the idea of us living together (he works , owns his own house but there’s now a tenant in and would have been with me so my children don’t have to move house and Schools etc ) I said sounds great let’s see in the summer about it but he started staying here a few times a week instead of just one to see how it felt being together that bit more.

In February we were going to meet two of his friends for lunch and a message came up on his in car system which he asked me to read to him. Under that was another message from an unsaved number sent at 5am that morning when he was staying at his dads house saying they only offer outcalls and not incalls. I know it was a massage parlour / escort agency from that and I confronted him. He said firsT of all a friend had done it and used his phone and I told him to have respect for me and admit it. He admitted he was drunk and doing drugs and he called the number but they were closed and could only come out and he didn’t have anyone go there as his dad brother and friends were there. He pleaded cried begged but did say maybe we would be better off ending it as I wouldn’t be able to trust him. I said maybe he should try counselling
He said he felt he was t good enough for me. That he’s always been hurt in relationships so throught that’s he’s bound to get screwed over again so what does it matter. He was so very upset and sorry for hurting me said I didn’t deserve it. He doesn’t deserve me and doesn’t deserve another chance. I wanted to make it work so let it go as a blip and a stupid drunken mistake although I was very hurt and felt inferior and not good enough. In March he did the same thing again. I found out as I hold my hands up and went through his phone. It was all there. Searches to brothels and massage parlours. He also gave his phone number to a random girl on the street and was emailing / messaging her for a bit the same night and he stayed up all night on a huge coke binge at the same time. (This was in a flat his family own in another town where he went on a weekend away with friends. But he went one night before everyone else on his own and did all this ) when j saw him online late he said he was up late as he didn’t feel well. I was worried about him being ill and there on his own as he’d been unwell at mine a couple of days before. He told his friend in a message it was a lie to shut me up and he was in the flat and paranoid from the amount of coke that he locked himself in one of the room as he thought there was a person next door )

Again i confronted him as it was the disrespect to me in these messages which I couldn’t believe. Laughing with friends bout messaging other girls and that I fell for his story of being ill. He then started counselling and has so far had 7 sessions. I even offered to do couples counselling alongside so that we could get back to how we were and work on things and have the life together we talked about.

Yesterday I was at his house and when I stood up to leave I looked down and in a drawer next to his bed (which was open) there was a worn condom laying there. I picked it up and said Why is this in your room. We don’t use them and haven’t had sex in that room anyway. He said he never uses the drawer someone else must have left it there from what could be months or years ago and it’s nothing to do with him . I didn’t argue I didn’t shout or scream I just felt very tired and said this is your bedroom how could you not know it was there. He said I don’t use that drawer and other people have stayed over in this room when I haven’t been here and it could be one of them. His cousin and girlfriend. Friends and girlfriends etc. His head dropped and he said I am telling the truth but I know you don’t believe me . I said I don’t know what to think and if you found it at my house you would find it hard to believe that it was as years old and I didn’t know how it got there
I have never found any actual evidence he’s cheated. Just times he’s come close. He said he doesn’t know why he’s done it. Etc

Anyway today he’s ended it with me. Says he needs to be on his own
He can’t stand keep making me unhappy and he can’t leave his phone unattended near me anymore and I won’t ever trust him
All suggestions of counselling together he’s saying no to. Says I will see it’s for the best and he wants to stay friends and still be able to meet up and have a kick about with the kids or take them out sometimes but he’s got too many issues to work on and he needs to put himself first and deal with them. He’s also said one day he might want kids and that option is off limits and it’s been bothering him for a while now. That maybe his best friend having a kid has made him think and he can’t guarantee he won’t one day want one and it’s something I can’t do with him. The idea of a surrogate if needs be was dismissed. Says he feels he’s no control over his life and it’s moving at 100mph ! No idea how I haven’t pushed him to move in. Marriage was briefly discussed a few times and by him as it happens as there’s a certain church he would like the ceremony in if possible but I could chose the reception if I was happy with that. Talked about areas we would consider buying in one day and when would be tha best time to move and both agreed 2 years time due to my children’s schooling. So none of this is about to happen tomorrow or next week.

I am hurting so much. I feel sick. I can’t stop crying. I feel ill. The future we talked about the plans we discussed. And then he’s going to meet someone else and do it all with them instead. Yesterday everything was fine. He cuddled me said he missed me loved me. I saw that condom and came home and now we are over

I feel broken. So broken and have no one I can talk to. I work long hours in a stressful job with people at times I am unhappy around. I feel so sad and lost

OP posts:
lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 19:28

Quite ironic that he’s dumped girls who have cheated on him in the past

OP posts:
lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 19:30

No they aren’t necessary . We just genuinely had some lovely times together . But then this happened. And it’s made me question if he was ever happy with me. He will regret losing me. When he’s waking up to random girls after mad nights out he will think back on what I brought to the table and he will really kick himself for losing us all

OP posts:
Patsypie · 03/05/2020 19:31

There's plenty of decent men out there. Be relieved that this deadbeat isn't your husband! Drugs and looking for sex behind your back is not the behaviour you want in your life and the life of your children.

PancakesAndSyrup · 03/05/2020 19:32

It's not your job to fix him, I feel like you and your children deserve so much more. He does drugs, lies, and manipulates you by feeding you sob stories to make you feel sorry for him. Nothing good is going to come from this relationship. He's done you a favour. Think about what kind of life you want to have, is this really it?

BackseatCookers · 03/05/2020 19:32

But then this happened

Please try to remember this didn't just happen.

He's consistently behaved this way. Over and over and over again.

This isn't a sudden BOOM moment of having the rug pulled from under you, he's been this person so many times during your relationship!

Lovemusic33 · 03/05/2020 19:33

You have only been together 18 months and your talking about counselling? He’s not worth it, it’s not working. If you need counselling after 18 months imagine being with him for 18 years and putting up with this shit.

He’s done you a favour, take control and tell him you don’t want any contact with him and no he can’t have contact with your kids.

DontStandSoClose · 03/05/2020 19:34

18 months into a relationship and you need councelling, Jesus! Just run, what on earth are you thinking? I heard of being blinded by love but seriously!!!

Get yourself sti checked pronto and just be thankful you had a lucky escape.

ChasingRainbows19 · 03/05/2020 19:39

Listen to the advice everyone is telling you! This is not the man for your family unit. Imagine living with him and him disappearing for days taking coke and probably other women. Running up debt all the time. Do you want that? What would that do to your children and your own health?

Please also get an STI test.

12345kbm · 03/05/2020 19:39

OP your post is really disturbing.

Please block all contact with him and an STD check as soon as you can. Untreated, some of them can have devastating long term repercussions.

OP he's bored of you. He was getting off on you chasing around after him while he cheated and did drugs. He was laughing about you to his friends and you've found evidence of escorts and used condoms beside his bed. Of course that was him.

It was all an ego boost for him but now he's bored. He's probably moved onto someone else which is why he's finished it.

I'm not interested in him though, I'm interested in why you stayed in such an appalling relationship for so long and why you would do that to yourself. Your self esteem must be on the floor.

Never trust what someone says, always look at their behaviour. In 18 months while you were running around, checking his phone, trying to organise counselling and, no doubt, counselling him over his bereavement, what did he do? How did he invest in the relationship?

He seemed to run around like a milkman out of an Ealing comedy thinking he was the bees knees. He's a low life OP. He treated you appallingly. He has done you a massive favour by ending it.

I really suggest you do the Freedom Programme. You can do it online but it's better in a group. You really need support.

Counselling is available online as well or over the phone. Take a look at BACP and see what's available.

Look after yourself OP. Read the books suggested here and be kind to yourself. I hope you start to feel better soon and please block him.

WifOfBif · 03/05/2020 19:43

Maybe he will kick himself, maybe he won’t but in a few months time I promise you will not care either way.

He has really done a number on you OP, drugs, prostitutes, used condoms and still he has you trying your hardest to get him back. He won’t ever change, and why would he when it seems like no matter what you will give him chance after chance?

You cannot fix him. You can’t be his saviour. Why would you want to? He is an adult and if he wanted to change he would have. I know this is hard to read but please, don’t waste any more of your time with this man. He will keep coming back when he wants comfort or needs looking after, but he will continue his disgusting behaviour behind your back. You will destroy yourself over this man and waste years of your life.

Please, cry for a while and then find your self respect. You will find someone worthy of you and wonder what you ever saw in this man child.

ViciousJackdaw · 03/05/2020 19:44

he will think back on what I brought to the table and he will really kick himself for losing us all

Sorry to be harsh but he won't. He might get the odd pang when he gets a hard-on with nowhere to stick it but on the whole, he never really gave a shit. You need to stop kidding yourself.

12345kbm · 03/05/2020 19:50

My link didn't work. Hopefully it does now.

lookingatthepast · 03/05/2020 19:51

I didn’t arrange the counselling. Before I started seeing with him and we were just friends I suggested he look up bereavement counselling as I did to his brother. Then with all this he said he will get counselling. He found the counsellor and arranged it and paid for it. Its been on the phone or via Skype due to covid and he has been doing it as a couple of times he was here and I could hear him on the phone
He also showed me the email and contract he had to sign . He said it was helping but he spoke mainly about his mum and family and when I asked if he had discussed these issues between us and what he’s been doing he said they had only briefly touched on it so it’s not something he’s addressed much so far in sessions.

He admitted the coke comes after drinking and after that comes messaging girls or calling brothels. I said to him deep down you need to stop drinking then which he said yes probably but I enjoy going out with my friends. We did have very honest conversations and I said to him if he’s still mixing in the same circles with the same people and drinking there’s a very high likelihood at some stage this behaviour will happen again. He said I am trying so hard to change but I don’t know if I can change enough and give it up but I will try
Obviously at the moment with lockdown it’s not been an issue as no ones been going out and he’s not someone to drink indoors at home. And never drinks at my house. But with lockdown at some stage ending I think deep down he knows he’s going to struggle with it and he will do it again and I will get hurt again. The debt was something almost 3 years ago which he has paid off so not recent .

I do genuinely think he has and is trying but he knows himself and knows that at some point he is going to be tempted again and fuck up and now I know and he’s seen the hurt it’s caused he’s putting me out of my misery basically

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Ilovethekittehs · 03/05/2020 19:52

Why are there so many posts with women with kids letting drug taking wanking wank stains in their life?

Do you not want better for your kids? A year and a half and he has already tried to get milked by a handful of sex workers, if you have a little girl, do you want her thinking that this treatment of women is normal? That the tears you've repeatedly cried only 18 months into your relationship is normal!?

Justaboy · 03/05/2020 19:53

Well if you don't mind a coke brain and well, a few loose ladies of the night around then all looks charming and lovely dosent it ?????

After all why not join him snort a line or three, and have a few loose blokes around too;?..

Really you need telling what to do??

Boggle Boggle Boggle!!

Mummacake · 03/05/2020 19:54

OP I'm sorry but he's done a proper number on you. He's future faked to keep you where he wants you. He's a user and a vile individual. He doesn't care what you can bring to the table, not one jot. You served a purpose, a respectable outward face to cover for the fact he's a misogynistic, drug taking, lying user of sex workers. You might be hurting right now but by God you've dodged a bullet there. That's certainly not someone is want anywhere near my children. Read the books recommended and give your head a wobble. Put your children and yourself first and in a few short months you'll look back and wonder wtf was I thinking!!

NoMoreDickheads · 03/05/2020 19:55

He's rough OP.

I don't think he'll take any counselling seriously as it's not something he would choose to do if it wasn't just to placate you. He doesn't see anything wrong in what he's doing except that he's been caught.

We just genuinely had some lovely times together . But then this happened

IDK which particular bit you mean as there have been dozens, it's not a one off.

It's only been 18 months, you could easily drop him and enjoy the relaxation of your own company or find someone not into drugs, cheating and prostitutes.

Wanderlust21 · 03/05/2020 19:55

Yeh...nah sorry but, he wont. His kind dont have the capacity for regret like that. He may feel a pang of irritation that his go-to supply is no longer about but thats about it. Like throwing out a steak that's gone past its sell by date and regretting it the next day cause there isn't any food in the house.

You need to learn how these peoples minds work. People who do and say things like him are not like you. They dont care. Not a jot. It's all about what they need. And they'll say any old shit in order to keep taking from you. They don't 'miss' people like you or I do, because they never form attachments in the first place.

You are projecting your goodness and love into him. He doesnt posess those qualities. He is cruel and empty.

PinkCrayon · 03/05/2020 19:56

He has done you a favour.
Raise your standards.

Timekeeper1 · 03/05/2020 19:58

He was upset his mum died and he felt lonely (even with you), so he looked up escorts and hookers? Because his mum died?

Um, that sounds really, really sick and disturbing. REALLY disturbing. I can't imagine if my mother or father died me needing to get off with a prostitute. That is profoundly disturbing. On many levels.

Definitely get STD checked, at least, just in case he did cheat. And, yeah definitely don't have him around explaining to your DC. They may ask if they can visit him. That, is really not something you want to be dealing with.

justasking111 · 03/05/2020 19:59

While you were at HIS HOUSE yesterday!!! Well I hope between you and him and all the socialising he appears to do he has not given you covid.

He is a druggie, you are being irresponsible in the present pandemic.

crayonpresident · 03/05/2020 19:59

I'm so sorry, I can see the pain you are in. He has let you see who he is and right now he isn't where you need him to be. I have been here. You will be stronger after this but right now, it's shit. It feels like only he will take the pain away. That will slowly pass. Trust me.
Do what you are doing - write on here, talk to friends, watch shite movies - whatever. Just be easy on yourself.
This too shall pass x

Crystal1975 · 03/05/2020 20:01

He’s a coke head
They are arseholes
You’ve had a lucky escape

12345kbm · 03/05/2020 20:03

OP your posts are so sad. I'm not saying that in a condescending way, I'm saying that because I feel really sad reading them.

You haven't mentioned your background, but from the way you speak, I'm guessing that your needs weren't met as a child. It sounds as though you come from a dysfunctional background where you were considered unimportant and there to look after others.

You are important. There's a type of therapy you might find useful called Loving Kindness MBT (Mindfulness Behavioural Therapy). There are some examples of it here.

You seem to need to be needed. You gain your self value and worth from doing for others. You've already mentioned looking into Co Dependence which I think you would also benefit from. Try CoDA for more info.

JKScot4 · 03/05/2020 20:03

I think we are wasting our time here, I think if arsey boy comes back OP will be back with him, she’s obviously hoping she can change him.
Never get the point of these posts when OP can’t see sense.