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Anonymous letter and dp....struggling to get the trust back

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ClottedCreamIceCream · 23/04/2020 16:23

have name changed for this - dp and I have been living together for 4 years and going out another 18 months before that. Late 40s, all our dcs have left home (we have none together).

I was blissfully happy - everyone delighted, his family, my family, friends of us both, and the relationship I would have said, going extremely well. Dp starting to talk about whether either of us would fancy getting married again (we are both divorced, a long time ago).

then 6 months ago, I received an anonymous letter at work - telling me about dp's past. It contained accusations of him having a drink problem, depression, being a consummate liar, cheating on his exes, not being able to hold down jobs, running up debt etc., the fact that when he met me he was still living with his then girlfriend. I confronted dp, he was so upset that someone had written a letter like this. That some of it was true (like having had depression in his past but he had treatment and recovered, the drinking was linked to this) but some was malicious. I don't recognise the description of him from the letter but it's clear he was economical with the truth with me.

The bit that got me was that he was living with his girlfriend when he met me which he lied about at the time. He told me he was single. I even mentioned how many arseholes go on online dating when they aren't single and he assured me that wasn't him. So essentially he outright lied at the time.

I don't know where to go from here - it's been 6 months and I now find myself still doubting dp. He got a message the other day and he hid his phone - I insisted on seeing it and he said it was a surprise for a party we were having (pre lockdown). We had to cancel the party but I still have no idea what the surprise was and I totally doubt him. When I asked, he said we are rescheduling the party (we are) and I must wait for the surprise till then.

Can this recover? I just don't know whether the trust will grow back or I give up on it now.

OP posts:
Tableclothing · 23/04/2020 16:26

Which bits of the letter are definitely not true?

ClottedCreamIceCream · 23/04/2020 16:33

well I only have dp's word for it. He has shown me he has no debt now but he did in the past so that bit isn't true. When him and his exw split up in 2010, he took it v badly and spiralled into depression. He started drinking and lost his job. He realised he was fucking things up and went to the GP and got antidepressants and went to counselling and sorted himself out. It took around 6-12 months but in that time, he did lose his job. He's moved jobs every 2-3 years but in itself, I wouldn't say that was unusual in his line of work.

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AmelieTaylor · 23/04/2020 16:36

Can this recover?

I don't know.

Do you feel like you have the whole truth now?

How 'game changing' would the deceptions have been if you'd found out at the time?

Ass for the surprise. I'd have told him I was not remotely interested in a surprise and he had 10 seconds to show me the message. Why did you let him fob you off?

In one way it seems a pity to throw something away that seemed so good, question is - was it really that good or something built on a foundation of lies?!

I don't think it will ever return to being 'amazing' because you now know it's not. I suppose the question is - do you want what you've got 'now'. I think it's probably not good for you to stay in this relationship, but that it'll be hard to walk away for things that were 'in the past'. Thing is,they're current for you now because you know he's a good liar.

I'm sorry you're going through this, especially right now 🌷

category12 · 23/04/2020 16:37

Sorry, so which bits of the letter weren't true?

It looks like it was on the money about everything, but perhaps not up to date.

kissmysass · 23/04/2020 16:39

So you're annoyed at your boyfriend because he hasn't told you he used to suffer from depression after a bad break up.. and given you the list of mistakes he made while depressed.
Sounds like a massive over reaction on your part.

If it was me instead of holding it against him I'd be pleased he was sensible enough to see help from the GP for a mental health problem after a relationship breakdown. Especially spotting the signs he was medicating with alcohol.

He probably doesnt want to go into detail about the fact his relationship broke down and it affected him that much.

I'd be gutted if my partner used my mental health as a reason not to trust me. His mental health and the details associated with it are his to open up about, or in this case, not to. Its personal. This happened before you got together, he had no reason to tell you if he didn't want to.

category12 · 23/04/2020 16:40

No, kissmyass, he was still living with someone when he started seeing OP - she thought he was single. Depression doesn't make you cheat on people.

kissmysass · 23/04/2020 16:42

But she hasn't confirmed that was the case. The letter also says he has debt, which she has confirmed that's not true. The only thing she's sure about is the fact he was depressed and as a result, lost his job.

ClottedCreamIceCream · 23/04/2020 16:42

@AmelieTaylor you've hit the nail on the head - it feels like I am walking away from things that (hopefully) were in the past. The problem is whether I am now going out with the 'consummate liar'.

it sort of feels like I'm looking for the proof now if that makes sense

I don't know why i let myself be fobbed off with the surprise thing - looking back on it, I think i was completely shocked at the time. He's never reacted that way so even I was taken by surprise!

I don't think he's seeing anyone else - for a start, in lockdown it's impossible but he's not chatting with anyone or constantly hiding his phone. But it's this feeling that something now isn't quite right.

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ClottedCreamIceCream · 23/04/2020 16:43

no, he was definitely living with his girlfriend when he met me

that is true - he admitted that

I would never hold depression against someone - and I'm impressed he sorted that out - but he completely lied to me when he said he was single when he wasn't

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HollowTalk · 23/04/2020 16:44

So the bulk of it was true but some of it was nobody else's business except his own.

The thing that's worrying is that he was with someone else when he met you. Living with someone else. Did he move out soon after? Where did he go to then? Did she know he was seeing someone else? Is she the person who wrote that letter?

Buggedandconfused · 23/04/2020 16:45

Check his phone. Can you do that?

kissmysass · 23/04/2020 16:45

Has he confirmed he was definitely still with her? I knew a couple who split and due to finances they stayed living together, in separate rooms. But weren't a couple anymore.

If they were still dating then yes.. totally agree, would change things for me and I'd lose a hell of a lot of trust!

Apologies I thought the only thing he had admitted to was the depression/drink/job.

Gutterton · 23/04/2020 16:45

Why did his marriage fail?

Smellbellina · 23/04/2020 16:46

I feel sorry for him to be honest, someone with an axe to grind has written a malicious letter about mistakes he made years ago and you are lapping it up.

If I was him I’d be rethinking the relationship too to be honest.

ItStartedWithAKiss241 · 23/04/2020 16:47

I’d be concerned the reason he can show you proof he has no debt now is that he ran it all up in ex-gf’s name?

Pugdoglife · 23/04/2020 16:48

He could have been living in the same house but not in a relationship with the ex when you met.
If it were me I'd ignore the letter.

HollowTalk · 23/04/2020 16:49

Who does he think wrote that letter? I would be tormenting myself with wondering who'd sent it if I were him. Does he seem worried about it now?

WickedlyPetite · 23/04/2020 16:49

Just out of curiosity, how can someone prove they have no debt?

SliAnCroix · 23/04/2020 16:51

Yes, the girlfriend who he stuck with a load of debt wrote the letter. i'd guess.

Intothefuture · 23/04/2020 16:51

Living with a girlfriend when he met you is a big lie in itself and I don’t think I could trust him any more.

ClottedCreamIceCream · 23/04/2020 16:52

yes he confirmed he was still with her - he claims their relationship was in trouble but the bottom line is that they were still together. I suspect it was her who wrote the letter. He had his own flat and was renting it out on Airbnb. When I visited him in what I thought was his flat, it was actually his flat but he wasn't living there. We would plan the times I went to his so he would block those out so people couldn't Airbnb it. So it was a fair amount of deception on his part!

He claims that the relationship was going down the pan but she had a disability (she does) which he was helping with and he felt guilty about moving out Hmm.

he says his marriage failed because his exw fell out of love with him and eventually cheated on him with someone else but why I don't know. I know this is true (the cheating) as one of his friends told me. It's one of the reasons he found the break up so hard.

it's all feasible - but why not just bloody tell me in the first place rather than me finding out by anonymous letter! just makes me wonder what else I don't know!

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category12 · 23/04/2020 16:53

Yikes, that is practised deception.

WickedlyPetite · 23/04/2020 16:55

Woah - so he had a shag pad that he had to actually book/plan to be empty, to make it look like he was single and living there.

How did you two meet?

tiredanddangerous · 23/04/2020 16:57

He was a shit to his ex girlfriend then, wasn’t he? A lot of lies and sneaking around, not to mention being unfaithful. I’d find it hard to get past that. You were the other woman.

kissmysass · 23/04/2020 16:57

Totally changes things then. You were the OW and had no idea. I couldn't move past that, he was a cheat.