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Anonymous letter and dp....struggling to get the trust back

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ClottedCreamIceCream · 23/04/2020 16:23

have name changed for this - dp and I have been living together for 4 years and going out another 18 months before that. Late 40s, all our dcs have left home (we have none together).

I was blissfully happy - everyone delighted, his family, my family, friends of us both, and the relationship I would have said, going extremely well. Dp starting to talk about whether either of us would fancy getting married again (we are both divorced, a long time ago).

then 6 months ago, I received an anonymous letter at work - telling me about dp's past. It contained accusations of him having a drink problem, depression, being a consummate liar, cheating on his exes, not being able to hold down jobs, running up debt etc., the fact that when he met me he was still living with his then girlfriend. I confronted dp, he was so upset that someone had written a letter like this. That some of it was true (like having had depression in his past but he had treatment and recovered, the drinking was linked to this) but some was malicious. I don't recognise the description of him from the letter but it's clear he was economical with the truth with me.

The bit that got me was that he was living with his girlfriend when he met me which he lied about at the time. He told me he was single. I even mentioned how many arseholes go on online dating when they aren't single and he assured me that wasn't him. So essentially he outright lied at the time.

I don't know where to go from here - it's been 6 months and I now find myself still doubting dp. He got a message the other day and he hid his phone - I insisted on seeing it and he said it was a surprise for a party we were having (pre lockdown). We had to cancel the party but I still have no idea what the surprise was and I totally doubt him. When I asked, he said we are rescheduling the party (we are) and I must wait for the surprise till then.

Can this recover? I just don't know whether the trust will grow back or I give up on it now.

OP posts:
HollowTalk · 23/04/2020 18:08

The thing is, he had that shag pad and you stayed there sometimes. He was online dating at the time, presumably, and also living with his (now) ex.

How many other women was he seeing? Why do you assume you were the only one he was seeing?

Did he get the flat in order to see you or did he have it anyway and run it as AirBnB? It's hard to understand from your post.

The fact it went on for months is unforgivable in my opinion. The fact he was online dating when he was living with someone is unforgivable, too. His poor ex. If it's her that sent you the message, I can see why she's really hurt.

cupcakehurricane101 · 23/04/2020 18:10

I really think some people on here encourage people to break up. Unless there's been anything to suggest otherwise in all these years let it go.
You're making it sound more than what it is, include the other factors into your thoughts when you wonder why what happened, happened as it did.

cupcakehurricane101 · 23/04/2020 18:13

Unless you've told the truth 100% of your life then understand, good people tell lies too, not to be bad but through fear or other reasons that are not always malevolent.

category12 · 23/04/2020 18:14

How is cheating for months not bad?

Savingshoes · 23/04/2020 18:17

Sounds like he wasn't happy before he met you, life spiraled out of control etc.
Then he took responsibility for his actions, reached out and took control turning his whole life around.
Now some jealous little has been from his past is trying to derail him.
I would be so proud of my dp if this was where he came from and how far he's come.

HollowTalk · 23/04/2020 18:21

@category12, don't you know it's better to have a man, even if it's one who's a cheat?

Ipadipod · 23/04/2020 18:21

I’d want to know why this letter has arrived so many years after you first got together ? Has he recently pissed someone off ?

HollowTalk · 23/04/2020 18:22

Then he took responsibility for his actions, reached out and took control turning his whole life around.

Well, that's one interpretation of it. Another is that he was seeing the OP for several months at a flat he didn't live in, whilst pretending he was single and living there.

NoMoreDickheads · 23/04/2020 18:28

You've pretty much said everything in the letter is true. Just because he doesn't have debt now, doesn't mean he hasn't in the past.

The secretly living with his girlfiend is pretty shocking.

I think the letter would make me feel different about someone in that I'd be on the lookout, as you've said, for things that confirmed it.

This has already happened with the phone thing, though maybe how he acted would've seemed suspicious anyway (IDK if I believe him about the surprise.)

I would be thinking about all the times he's lost jobs etc and how it happened.

Suppose you'll just have to see how things pan out. xxxxx

SandyY2K · 23/04/2020 18:39

I certainly wouldn't marry him. That initial deception went on for a while and I would not feel safe placing my whole trust in him.

The debt and the depression are not things I would feel deceived about.

It's purely the cheating that would be my issue.

It's your house and I'd be making sure it goes to your children, assuming you own rather than rent.

PammieDooveOrangeJoof · 23/04/2020 18:41

I’d be wanting to know what was in the hidden text so would bide my time and try to find out.
Historic debt I wouldn’t be too fussed about (as long as he didn’t have any now? nor depression.
The whole air b n b thing is awful. Yuck.

PammieDooveOrangeJoof · 23/04/2020 18:44

Yes and what sandy said. I wouldn’t marry hIm.
That text would make me think something is currently ongoing that isn’t great.
I never believe anyone about surprises! They always seem to be a very convenient excuse to hide things.

IShaggedAMarriedMan · 23/04/2020 18:52

If the letter contains some truths, then it is probably mainly true.

He has a track record of lying and cheating and running up debts.

But he's changed, he'd never do that to you, right?

Leopards don't change their spots.
He's a liar and a cheat.
He'll do the same to you.

Poppi89 · 23/04/2020 18:54

Honestly if you are happy with him then I would try to move past this.

Everyone has a past.

Yes you were the other woman (something I would be very upset and angry about) but you only know that because of this letter.
There are 1000s of women who are in relationships and were the other women but they just do know it.

Isadora2007 · 23/04/2020 18:55

My ex was living with a GF when he met his now wife. She didn’t find out for a while and still married him. They’re happy together still 10 years on. Some leopards do change their spots i guess. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Poppi89 · 23/04/2020 18:55

*don't know it

Techway · 23/04/2020 18:55

He's been extremely honest and open now

She has no way of knowing that. Only his word which she also trusted 5 years ago. She doesn't know what has been left out.

I think there are a couple of things here. Can you respect/trust him again and is his past behaviour an indication of future behaviour?

He could have chosen to leave the gf but he didn't, not out of consideration for her but because he didn't have anyone else lined up. He had to have you "secured" before he left and this speaks to his character and would make me distrustful. I don't believe men improve character in later adult life. Why couldnt he just be single? It is more likely he used the gf for accommodation whilst earning income from his property. I also think that something recent has triggered the letter. This isn't 5 years of bitterness but someone who has recently been let down again or had to face consequences due to his behaviour.

OP, are you financially equal or are you in a better place financially than him?

Windmillwhirl · 23/04/2020 19:03

I don't feel sorry for him. He deceived you and his ex by pretending to be single.

He sounds weak and needy. Lining up his next partner while still in a relationship.
That is unforgivable in my book. I'm sorry.

MsDogLady · 23/04/2020 19:38

This man was leading a double life, tricking and manipulating two women. Although he is now supposed to be restoring your trust, he recently blocked transparency on his phone. He is capable of much deception, so I would not move forward with him.

HollowTalk · 23/04/2020 19:41

He's been extremely honest and open now

That's like saying a man in court, having been faced with the evidence of his deception, finally admits to what he's done, and is then praised by the judge for his honesty.

ShellieEllie · 23/04/2020 19:51

The bit I'm finding strange is that it's taken someone 5 years to send you that letter. Why now and what is their motive...

ChillOutChick · 23/04/2020 20:15

I suppose it depends if you can forgive him for his deception at the start of your relationship. It's a big one because you will remember those early days and how exciting and lovely it was - those memories may be tainted now by this knowledge. I'm sorry you're going through this.

The hiding his mobile because of a 'surprise' makes me feel a bit twitchy. I'd be asking more about that.

Does he understand the impact of this letter and you finding out about his deception at the start? If so then he should also understand that in order to rebuild trust there needs to be no hiding of phones for any reason at all.

rjebgf · 23/04/2020 20:30

I don't know but I certainly wouldn't get married. The air bnb deception is pretty organised and a bit scary.

Cocobean30 · 23/04/2020 21:00

I agree with posters about he timing of the letter, something must have triggered it. Is it worth contacting the ex directly?

olympicsrock · 23/04/2020 22:49

Surely you cannot ever trust this man again? He’s a pit and a cheat. I could not continue a life with him.

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