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This is what I'm writing to his wife after 'lockdown'- any suggestions for tweaks?

433 replies

hewasatwunt · 15/04/2020 22:51

Hi, please don't shoot me. Flowers

I was involved with someone who turned out to be quite dodgy. Some of you will recognized the details- have name changed just in case he views posts under my other usernames.

I think his wife should know about the hundreds of sexual assignations he's had outside marriage. I don't particularly have an axe to grind now, I just genuinely think she should know. She's in her mid 50s, she could choose a different life if she wanted.

Some people on various forums already gave me a lot of help writing this. Do any of you have any other tweaks you can suggest? All names etc have been changed.

Hi Sue, I thought you deserved to know what’s happening.

Bob is constantly seeking opportunities for encounters.

He was having an involvement with me for the best part of 18 months, from July 2018 until January 2020. I blocked him because I realized what he was like. I'm really sorry and won’t interfere in your marriage again.

Whenever he said he was with Fred and me, he was just with me. Sometimes he maybe said he was with us overnight, or gave some other excuse to be away; he was just with me. After I took him back home from his treatment, three times a week, there was some activity involved.

There’s a woman he’s seeing at times at his treatment, called Lucy. Maybe he said he was setting off early before treatment solely to give her a lift. That is not always the case. He also sometimes meets her in the afternoons.

He talks to a woman online called Eve. He has encouraged her to send him explicit photographs and videos. He’s frequently propositioning women online and asking for photos or to meet.

The first woman he mentioned having had an affair with was called Suzie and lived in Blackpool. I think that started at some point while he was studying at Manchester and finished a while after he finished there.

Around six years ago he was seeing Mina who attended the gaming club at the time. At one point they went to a bed and breakfast for a night, I think somewhere up north. His involvement with her lasted a few months.

He is bisexual and also goes to ‘adult cinemas’ where he engages in acts with several male strangers at a time. He’s been doing this for decades and it will have been hundreds if not thousands of men. He does not tend to use protection for his activities there. He tries to get women to go along to the cinema with him to join in with these pursuits, and sometimes succeeds.

There’s another woman, also called Sue, who he’s been involved with at times over the years. He invited her to go to the cinema/swingers’ clubs too. He didn’t mention this woman to me, so it just goes to show that what I’m able to let you know is just the tip of the iceberg.

There’s another dimension to this in that the women he targets or succeeds with tend to be vulnerable, or at a vulnerable time in their lives. He is exploitative, coercive and manipulative. He also lies to get what he wants, including about the nature of your relationship. Some women didn’t give meaningful consent as it was when they were ill, through exploiting their vulnerabilities, or it was given under false pretenses.

Sorry to let you know about all this, but I thought you should be aware.

-Judy.

P.S. If you want more evidence or to discuss this further, you can contact me

OP posts:
GilbertMarkham · 16/04/2020 10:19

Bob and Sue. Wasn't there a Rita in there somewhere? grin

Well Tim, Roger, Alan, Derek and Richard definitely were.

GilbertMarkham · 16/04/2020 10:21

People are so convinced his wife knows ... I don't buy it.

It's very possible she doesn't know about the extent of it, or any of it.

This guy is a counsellor?

Who takes advantage of his patients (?)

He's evidently highly manipulative and disengenuous.

GilbertMarkham · 16/04/2020 10:22

How would his wife know about the gay/bi adult cinemas for example, he most likely just walks in and pays in cash.

Augurey · 16/04/2020 10:23

Of course you should send it. If it was me being cheated on, I would want to know, and I would respect you more for having the balls to do it.

Likea · 16/04/2020 10:24

OP is getting all the blame here...

for her intention to send this to the wife.

"... nothing mentioned about how disgusting the husband is"

because the topic she chose is about her communications; she was more than happy to be in a relationship with him. Most are discussing her potential actions, not his, due to her actions to hurt the wife.

Augurey · 16/04/2020 10:24

Do all OWs go to the pitiful school of rejects? My father's OW did that. My parents are still together.

Pity your mother.

Augurey · 16/04/2020 10:25

It doesn't matter if the letter hurts the wife, she has a right to know. And it is not the OWs actions hurting the wife, it is actually her husband's.

Astrabees · 16/04/2020 10:27

This isn't about a husband falling in love when he shouldn't it is about multiple abusive and unsafe encounters. OP has a duty to tell his wife, I'm really not sure why she is getting such a hard time. It might be braver to meet her for a coffee in person but one way or another the wife needs to know.

MrsCastiel · 16/04/2020 10:27

Nobody actually believes this crap do they?

boylovesmeerkats · 16/04/2020 10:30

What a horrible email and why aren't you being honest 'activity?' Dear me.

You mean,
Dear Sue, I shagged your husband for 18 months before I realised what he was like. Obviously I knew he was like the sort of man that shags another woman when he's married for 18 months when he's pretending to be having medical treatments but to let you know he's been EVEN WORSE THAN THAT! There have been a whole host of people shagging him, I think they're vulnerable otherwise why would they do it, maybe he's a rapist. So you're not just betrayed by your shitty husband but all these other shitty people you can honestly never trust anyone again, but trust me because I'm just doing the right thing?

Is that what you're going for?

Notredamn · 16/04/2020 10:31

Very odd message, overly formal use of language. Are you really meant to be writing to a woman about to have her world ruined on an empathetic level or writing a script/outline of (crap) book?
From what you've written, it sounds very much like an open marriage. How you manage to be omnipresent and have access to all this info outside of the relationship you had with him, I don't know. I'm inclined to call BS.
Fill your ample time with something less toxic.

IHaveAMagicBean · 16/04/2020 10:31

Unless you’re American, you spelled ‘realised’ incorrectly.

The rest comes across as bitter. I’m sure Sue knows she’s married to a Dick.

Augurey · 16/04/2020 10:31

Nobody actually believes this crap do they?

PPs remember OPs previous posts about her relationship with this man, and it was then that helped her to realise he was predatory and taking advantage - abusing his position as a counsellor to have sexual relationships with mentally vulnerable people.

Notredamn · 16/04/2020 10:32

....or what boy said.

boylovesmeerkats · 16/04/2020 10:33

And if you think he's manipulative and coersive then he's not going to be different with his wife is he? Maybe say, "I'm sorry to tell you but I was in a sexual relationship with your husband. I know of his behaviour with other people and am concerned for your safety. Maybe provide a number for a charity or women's organisation that can help her. Otherwise I really don't know what the point is.

Augurey · 16/04/2020 10:34

So you're not just betrayed by your shitty husband but all these other shitty people

The people going to counselling that he manipulated are not necessarily shitty people. They were at low points. He knew what he was doing by using his position.

Augurey · 16/04/2020 10:35

Well, I would want to receive the letter, so I could leave him Hmm if she chooses not to leave them that's her dumb choice but at least it's a choice she doesn't have to make in ignorance.

boylovesmeerkats · 16/04/2020 10:36

Ah, haven't read the other posts. In that event she needs to contact the police or governing body for whoever he uses for his accreditation so he can't practice again. This letter to his wife is cruel and ridiculous.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 16/04/2020 10:36

OP of he is indeed a counsellor and abusing his position, there is only one thing you can do and that is alert his superiors/ governing body to his behaviour, its probably illegal. He ought to be struck off to protect potential victims.
His wife will most likely find out the details any way.
You should make this less about you and more about what is right.

MrsCastiel · 16/04/2020 10:37

@Augurey oh, I'm unfamiliar with the back story, the thread came up on Active Convos

Unfortunately, to the uninitiated it reads like fiction.

As you were.

sadie9 · 16/04/2020 10:37

Don't presume the wife doesn't know all this already.
There are women like that out there. They fear abandonment so much that nothing else is a threat.
Their husband could be literally doing anything and they would always open their home to him. They see their husband, not as an adult choosing to cheat or a sex-addict, but as an unfortunate sort of man child special mental case that needs her love and protection. Suits them both.

TitianaTitsling · 16/04/2020 10:38

Nobody actually believes this crap do they? I don't! Do you have any actual evidence of all of this shenanigans?

Augurey · 16/04/2020 10:39

I don't get the cruel part. I take it if your husband's were having affairs, you wouldn't want to know? I often wonder if those who seem to have such angry responses to OW who come forward to the wife, or to children their husband fathered in the past coming forward, just don't want their fantasy life shattered. Which is understandable, but it's a bit pathetic to not care if you're being lied to your whole life and your marriage is a sham.

Augurey · 16/04/2020 10:42

Bob Erotic

This did make me laugh though Grin

boylovesmeerkats · 16/04/2020 10:43

Augurey, but why does the OP get to decide when they have the right to know? Obviously not the first sexual encounter, or the 2nd, or the 2nd month or the first year, or another person and a other person and then another 6 months of them having sex but oh yes, now it's really important that this knowledge is given to explicitly but also very vaguely to his wife. What the OP owed his wife was not sleeping with him, now that ship has sailed she needs to tread carefully. If it wasn't consensual she needs to contact the police.

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