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Bossy husband

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tatkin · 10/04/2020 10:54

I wonder if anyone can give me some advice - I can’t decide whether I am going mad, am oversensitive, overreacting, projecting or am indeed living with an increasingly bossy, and critical husband.

I’ve been meaning to ask on here for a couple of years but held back - usually my emotions subside and I feel bad airing it all to strangers. But the other night I had a dream (I never remember them usually but I think the lockdown has disrupted the circadian rhythm) where I woke up crying because he was murdering me, but not quickly, but kicking me to death for hours and between each beating he was screaming about what a shit mother I was, a know-it-all, a shrew, a dried up old hag, cold and horrid, an emotional bully

For background, I grew up as an only child with a violent/ emotionally bullying father (who killed himself when I was adult) and a very young mother who rather treated me as a sibling but who was also very loving and looked after me really well and took pains to explain and discuss emotions. At heart she is a very sunny and easy going person. They were, however, not in the least controlling. I was raped on a study year abroad and the childhood coupled with that (and my parents and boyfriend back in Oxford not accepting I was raped) led me to attempt suicide and I spent 2 weeks in a mental hospital. I have had no serious mood issues since then really but at age 48 I am on HRT (in part because I think the dynamic with my husband convinced me that along with other physical symptoms I was having severe mood swings.

DH grew up with a sweet but absent and enabling father and a very controlling and mercurial mother who was obsessed with appearances and who is an Olympic Gold martyr.

We have been together since university and work in the same industry, part time (me four early shifts, him, 2 nights) so we can look after our two daughters (8 and 12)

To onlookers (including my mother who lived with a man who never lifted a finger domestically) he is perfect, he cooks and cleans and does laundry and DIY and looks after the children.

I feel that the issues may stem from this meshing of roles in a way. I feel that he views domestic chores competitively - he hates doing them (i grew up finding chores quite zen actually as it was a respite from the chaos and upset) but makes me feel so bad if I haven’t immediately sprung up to hang out laundry or put it away — he’s told me off about it a few times so I now make sure I do it. He will reload the dishwasher loudly when I’ve done it and pointedly ask about the water level in the coffee machine, salt in the softener. If I’ve got in there before I’m told “well done”. I find myself preempting him getting home with a mad dash of doing the things he’s bothered about (making bread dough, laundry, dishwasher - weirdly he couldn’t give a toss about hoovering) to stop any tutting.

I get up early - like 5am early before work to unload dishwasher even on days when he is off.

If the radio is playing music he doesn’t like he’ll make some passive aggressive comment about it - either invoking that the children need to listen to upbeat radio 1 instead and if that doesn’t work he’ll just turn it off.

He is rarely direct, it’s always “do you want ME to do x y z?” meaning I need to spring into action. He constantly tells me the chores he’s done (as Iif somehow I won’t know that the laundry is done)

This is all minor really but I feel like a child who can’t quite do well enough. I cook and clean tidy up like a demon (not his skillset)

All holidays are decided by him - I can have some say maybe in which villa etc but if he didn’t like it it just wouldn’t happen. Cars (even though i pay equally), houses - everything,

Basically life goes swimmingly if I do what he likes. And if anything goes wrong or gets lost, it’s usually my fault unless I can prove otherwise

If I ever raise anything, he immediately avoids or attacks me. He could never ever say sorry.

Eg His mother wanted to move from the country to London after his dad died. without me knowing he’d lined up a flat in the road next to us. apparently she’d been down to view it with him and she was about to put an offer in but I found the leaflet in the car and asked him about it and he flipped out and blamed me saying he couldn’t tell me because I’d go mental.

If I discipline our children and he feels I’m being harsh (he doesn’t discipline so i probably overcompensate) he will make out that I am abusive. I am not abusive but it’s a weak spot that he can play n to get me to stop. He tells my daughter when I am not there “don’t upset your mother, she’s under stress” - she of course tells me. But I am not under stress. He just doesn't like me telling them off.

Just this morning, my daughter was rude about an item of clothing I was sewing for her, i was downstairs and harrumphed about it and he said “I’m sure you’ll rise above it” in a pointed way. I raised my eyebrow and remarked that it sounded “rather pointed, why are you telling me what to do?” and I got told that I am always picking fights and he’s off to bed.

If I ever cried he wouldn’t comfort me.

That’s a tiny snapshot. Basically I feel like an abusive, bad tempered ogre who although I spend at least an hour or three on household duties isn’t doing it well enough. I realised one day that my work appraisals fell less harsh!

I don’t need to list my shortcomings here as they are made clear to me, directly and indirectly every day.

What do I do when that person is avoidant and shifts the blame?

OP posts:
WitchDancer · 10/04/2020 10:59

Why are you still with him?

Shoxfordian · 10/04/2020 11:07

He sounds abusive
Can you make steps to leave him after the coronavirus?

user1492809438 · 10/04/2020 11:08

Leave him. There is no kindness or respect for you, and those are the things that make an enduring happy partnership.

Poppyfr33 · 10/04/2020 11:16

He will never listen to you, my DP used to be similar until I sat him down and we talked, he didn’t realise what he was doing it had become a pattern of behaviour, he changed the way he spoke and he will admit we are all happier and he doesn’t take a remark as a criticism.

tatkin · 10/04/2020 11:17

i guess I'm with him because it's a) not that bad and b) we have children and c) he can be generous and lovely

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KittyKattyKate · 10/04/2020 11:21

Leave him, is what you do.

You sound like a perfectly reasonable adult woman who sadly followed in her mother’s footsteps and married an emotional bully. Can you really stomach ten more years of this?

Iwalkinmyclothing · 10/04/2020 11:23

a) it sounds bad
b) what do you think they are learning about relationships?
c) if you do exactly what he says

OhioOhioOhio · 10/04/2020 11:25

Or you can stay with him and wonder each day which treats of kindness he's going to drop at your feet.

morecoffeerequired · 10/04/2020 11:27

he's told me off about it a few times so now I make sure I do it

^ Read this OP
You wrote that.

He is not your boss.

a) it is that bad
b) he is abusing your children by abusing their mother
c) the only acceptable amount of abuse is zero

AgentJohnson · 10/04/2020 11:32

i guess I'm with him because it's a) not that bad

It sounds exhausting. Your past issues are colliding with a controlling twat and messing with your MH.

Serenity45 · 10/04/2020 11:44

He sounds like a pompous controlling prick. I'm sorry OP but you seem lovely and you've clearly been moderating your behaviour for years to accommodate his moods. He doesn't seem bossy just deeply unpleasant and I'm guessing you've only given us a snapshot of what he's like.

I wonder if you'd be happy for your daughter to live with someone like him? That's a pretty good acid test. It's also worth bearing in mind that abusers aren't abusers all the time. They are 'lovely' sometimes or no one would stay with them. It also shows that your husband can control his behaviour- he simply chooses not to.

tatkin · 10/04/2020 11:45

I sometimes think I am the controlling one and I am projecting.

He used to be really laid back but the domestic life post children and night shifts seems to have changed that.

Also, I think when he met me even though I was his intellectual equal (in fact he defers to me) I was at a low point, just before going into hospital. After that we were party animals and both drank a fair bit.

Post children I don't drink (he does, too much I feel) much at all - menopause and drink does not mix) and am an avid runner and lost a lot of weight. So our habits and routines diverged a lot.

I guess I he preferred being my saviour and preferred me bigger. I joke about it, saying I am a dried up old stick, and we laugh - but it hangs in the air.

I learned to live with it (and his nights meant I had time to myself anyway) but recently when I told off one of the children for being flippant about corona he lost it in front of us and accused me of being a bad mother and being abusive and that I shouldn't tell her off because she was upset about missing out on school and that "you will go and comfort her like a mother should" which of course made it all feel really awkward and weird (of course I did comfort her and explained as I always do about why people lash out when stressed and how to manage emotions) after he'd left for work.

I felt that had crossed a line for me which made me question this more deeply.

Maybe I need to show more kindness and respect and drop the ego a bit, but I feel its so one sided. It won't work unless both of us could say sorry

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tatkin · 10/04/2020 11:47

even my mother said he spoke harshly to me - and she's the biggest enabler and rape apologist going.

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tatkin · 10/04/2020 11:48

thank you by the way - food for thought - and wishing you a good Easter. I sadly realised I don't have any friends anymore....

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/04/2020 11:50

What do you get out of this relationship now?.

You married someone just like your own abusive parents. We after all learn about relationships first and foremost from our parents and yours taught you a lot of damaging lessons.

You need to leave this man ultimately, there is no future for you within this relationship and in turn your kids also are being harmed by all this from their dad. Abusers are not nasty all the time but their nice/nasty cycle of abuse shown towards their chosen target is a continuous one.

What do you want to teach your children about relationships and what are they learning here?, would you want your children as adults to be in such a relationship themselves?. No you would not and it’s not good enough for you either.

Chamomileteaplease · 10/04/2020 11:52

The way he puts you down is bad enough but in front of your children is so horrifically abusive. For all of you. They must be horribly confused by the whole dynamic.

I would echo others and plan to live separately. How can you be enjoying life at all? I bet you are as taut as a piano wire.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/04/2020 11:53

it’s not you, it’s him. He is the controlling one here and he is also not above projecting his own self on to you either.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/04/2020 11:56

Do not merely continue to learn to live with this, that has been your mistake here. You just become further inured to abuse and you have had and seen this in your life already.

You have a choice re this man, your children do not. Make better choices for you and your kids going forward.

Cherrysoup · 10/04/2020 12:01

Has he stopped you seeing friends? Why not reconnect with some during this time?

I think you’re walking on eggshells the whole time. Getting up at stupid o’clock to do chores is very indicative of co-receive control, which he is clearly exercising over you. Everything is his way-holidays, cars, everything? Basically, if everything goes his way, life is fine and he’s nice? Because he’s got you bloody well trained.

Graphista · 10/04/2020 13:05

It's NOT minor it's very very concerning.

"he immediately avoids or attacks me." Exactly what form does this take?

"a) not that bad" - yes it is! You're walking on eggshells in your own home which should be a safe and comfortable sanctuary

"b) we have children" who are learning about relationships from what they observe - monkey see monkey do, so you want your sons treating their wives like this? Daughters accepting and even subconsciously looking for a husband that treats them the same? I'm the child of an abusive relationship and I found it incredibly hard to avoid getting into relationships with controlling men. My ex was ok on this score but faulty in other ways I didn't know to look for.

"c) he can be generous and lovely" I suspect when and how it suits him -

In ways he can get public praise for? Designed to make him SEEM a good husband and father? Which makes it harder for you to seek support.

Also google "cycle of abuse" if abusers were shit ALL the time nobody would stay with them, they have to be nice sometimes, usually time it just as you've almost had enough! Again I have seen this played out with my own parents for almost 50 years. Now that they're having to shield I'm seriously concerned for my mothers mh and actually would not be at all surprised if "the worm finally turned" which could have horrific consequences actually which would shock but not surprise me.

Take it from one who knows

HE IS NOT JUST ABUSING YOU HE IS ABUSING YOUR CHILDREN TOO.

They will carry that through their lives, the sooner you're away from him the better.

I'll bet he controls the family finances too doesn't he?

And that his actions are why you've no friends?

marriedwithhounds · 10/04/2020 16:43

Even if you're right and it's both of you to blame... you still sound so unhappy. Life is too short.

LannieDuck · 10/04/2020 19:33

He sounds like your manager.

If it helps, there are apps which record chores (I’ve heard of one called ChoreWars). That way you could make it clear how much you’re doing.

colditz · 10/04/2020 19:43

he sounds like a complete twat.

Orangers · 10/04/2020 21:15

You could try reading this:

www.alturtle.com/archives/172

To see if anything makes sense to your situation.

DeeCeeCherry · 10/04/2020 21:31

Stop springing to attention then. Who made him the boss of you? As well as being a controlling, petty minded fool he sounds like an utter bore. Total passion-killer.

Just imagine sitting with him in your elder years, and he's still playing sergeant major. Your children will have left home and I bet they & their partners will minimise any time they spend visiting you in the taut atmosphere of your home. They won't want possibility of him bossing they and their children around either. & He'll try to shame you in front of them as he doesn't respect you.

It's hard to leave. But sometimes much harder when you stay. Don't let a fool of a man try to present you as the fool to others.