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Bossy husband

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tatkin · 10/04/2020 10:54

I wonder if anyone can give me some advice - I can’t decide whether I am going mad, am oversensitive, overreacting, projecting or am indeed living with an increasingly bossy, and critical husband.

I’ve been meaning to ask on here for a couple of years but held back - usually my emotions subside and I feel bad airing it all to strangers. But the other night I had a dream (I never remember them usually but I think the lockdown has disrupted the circadian rhythm) where I woke up crying because he was murdering me, but not quickly, but kicking me to death for hours and between each beating he was screaming about what a shit mother I was, a know-it-all, a shrew, a dried up old hag, cold and horrid, an emotional bully

For background, I grew up as an only child with a violent/ emotionally bullying father (who killed himself when I was adult) and a very young mother who rather treated me as a sibling but who was also very loving and looked after me really well and took pains to explain and discuss emotions. At heart she is a very sunny and easy going person. They were, however, not in the least controlling. I was raped on a study year abroad and the childhood coupled with that (and my parents and boyfriend back in Oxford not accepting I was raped) led me to attempt suicide and I spent 2 weeks in a mental hospital. I have had no serious mood issues since then really but at age 48 I am on HRT (in part because I think the dynamic with my husband convinced me that along with other physical symptoms I was having severe mood swings.

DH grew up with a sweet but absent and enabling father and a very controlling and mercurial mother who was obsessed with appearances and who is an Olympic Gold martyr.

We have been together since university and work in the same industry, part time (me four early shifts, him, 2 nights) so we can look after our two daughters (8 and 12)

To onlookers (including my mother who lived with a man who never lifted a finger domestically) he is perfect, he cooks and cleans and does laundry and DIY and looks after the children.

I feel that the issues may stem from this meshing of roles in a way. I feel that he views domestic chores competitively - he hates doing them (i grew up finding chores quite zen actually as it was a respite from the chaos and upset) but makes me feel so bad if I haven’t immediately sprung up to hang out laundry or put it away — he’s told me off about it a few times so I now make sure I do it. He will reload the dishwasher loudly when I’ve done it and pointedly ask about the water level in the coffee machine, salt in the softener. If I’ve got in there before I’m told “well done”. I find myself preempting him getting home with a mad dash of doing the things he’s bothered about (making bread dough, laundry, dishwasher - weirdly he couldn’t give a toss about hoovering) to stop any tutting.

I get up early - like 5am early before work to unload dishwasher even on days when he is off.

If the radio is playing music he doesn’t like he’ll make some passive aggressive comment about it - either invoking that the children need to listen to upbeat radio 1 instead and if that doesn’t work he’ll just turn it off.

He is rarely direct, it’s always “do you want ME to do x y z?” meaning I need to spring into action. He constantly tells me the chores he’s done (as Iif somehow I won’t know that the laundry is done)

This is all minor really but I feel like a child who can’t quite do well enough. I cook and clean tidy up like a demon (not his skillset)

All holidays are decided by him - I can have some say maybe in which villa etc but if he didn’t like it it just wouldn’t happen. Cars (even though i pay equally), houses - everything,

Basically life goes swimmingly if I do what he likes. And if anything goes wrong or gets lost, it’s usually my fault unless I can prove otherwise

If I ever raise anything, he immediately avoids or attacks me. He could never ever say sorry.

Eg His mother wanted to move from the country to London after his dad died. without me knowing he’d lined up a flat in the road next to us. apparently she’d been down to view it with him and she was about to put an offer in but I found the leaflet in the car and asked him about it and he flipped out and blamed me saying he couldn’t tell me because I’d go mental.

If I discipline our children and he feels I’m being harsh (he doesn’t discipline so i probably overcompensate) he will make out that I am abusive. I am not abusive but it’s a weak spot that he can play n to get me to stop. He tells my daughter when I am not there “don’t upset your mother, she’s under stress” - she of course tells me. But I am not under stress. He just doesn't like me telling them off.

Just this morning, my daughter was rude about an item of clothing I was sewing for her, i was downstairs and harrumphed about it and he said “I’m sure you’ll rise above it” in a pointed way. I raised my eyebrow and remarked that it sounded “rather pointed, why are you telling me what to do?” and I got told that I am always picking fights and he’s off to bed.

If I ever cried he wouldn’t comfort me.

That’s a tiny snapshot. Basically I feel like an abusive, bad tempered ogre who although I spend at least an hour or three on household duties isn’t doing it well enough. I realised one day that my work appraisals fell less harsh!

I don’t need to list my shortcomings here as they are made clear to me, directly and indirectly every day.

What do I do when that person is avoidant and shifts the blame?

OP posts:
tenlittlecygnets · 11/04/2020 19:23

He is abusive. He does not treat you with kindness, compassion or care, which are essential in a successful marriage. He sounds horrible.

Graphista · 11/04/2020 19:32

Which a controlling and potentially aggressive man may well react dangerously to.

I have too much experience with this.

Aerial2020 · 11/04/2020 19:52

Other people do too

MaeDanvers · 11/04/2020 20:06

I guess I he preferred being my saviour and preferred me bigger.

Sounds like it. He sounds like the sort of man that prefers a woman to be subservient and to look up to him as the boss and as the 'big man'. The constant criticism is actually a way to ensure he remains the 'big man' who knows best - and to try and keep you in the role he liked for you - the one who needed him to rescue her.

Except you don't anymore. But he hasn't given you space to really grow, in fact he's trying to stop you from having confidence in yourself. He's also stopping you from having peace of mind in your house - because he's turned it into HIS house, not a shared one - since it all has to be done by his rules and to his satisfaction.

Undermining you with discipline for the kids is also part of it - it means your kids don't listen to you and respect you as much and you constantly doubt yourself or feel frustrated. Of course, if you display this frustration he can accuse you of being a mean ogre.

This particular type of toxic behaviour is so insidious, and the people who conduct it are masters at passive aggression so you feel constantly on edge, not good enough and angry - which they turn around on you.

PippaPegg · 11/04/2020 20:15

But why are you trying to please him in the first place? You are equals. It's a partnership where both people have an equal say and both have to compromise to some extent. It sounds like the opposite shifts mean you never get any child free alone time together to discuss things properly?

Just say no next time. Turn it round on him. So he sulks, so what? Let him. So long as he isn't hitting you or smashing up the house let him stew in his own juices. Let him see that he can't bully you anymore.

BumbleBeee69 · 11/04/2020 22:14

OP I felt suffocated just reading your posts... what you are enduring ..

please leave Flowers

WinterSunglasses · 11/04/2020 22:47

What @PippaPegg said. Be ready next time he says 'do you want me to do X?' not to spring into action. Instead say 'Yes please'. Do that whenever he asks.

babasaclover · 11/04/2020 22:57

This is the worst kind of abuse - making you feel 'it's not that bad'. Sadly I'm familiar with

HollowTalk · 11/04/2020 23:07

I think if someone has had an awful childhood then the very least they deserve is someone rooting for them in adulthood.

You know he would do a good job with the children if you split up, so that's something.

You are being abused and feel guilty for wanting to not be abused. It's very sad. What do you think of, if you think of a life without him?

Winterlife · 11/04/2020 23:14

In your shoes, I would tell him what I’m unhappy about and seek joint counselling. If he won’t go, go alone. Having that insight will help you make the right decision.

Deadringer · 12/04/2020 02:07

yes because it is personal, you are critisising me. You are not my boss so stop telling me off. If you want something doing a certain way, then do it your fucking self. this 100%
Someone up-thread called him a pompous, controlling prick, they were spot on. He thinks he is your boss. Next time he says will i do x y and z, just say, yes if it needs doing, do it.

Walkingwounded · 12/04/2020 07:21

Op, I was you. Exactly you.
When the kids were 8 & 12 it was bad but not unbearable. And we had some good times.
Thing is, it gets worse. By the time they were 10 & 12, I felt like screaming all the time.
I sought counselling for me, because I was in denial & thought there was something wrong with me.
It took 18 months but I finally started to clearly see that the problem wasn’t me. It was him.
Now I am out and free. It’s no bed of roses, dealing with the after effects on the kids particularly, but I have given them the chance, at least 50% of the time, to grow up in a normal, easygoing, loving household, without the low grade tension and control of previously. They are flourishing.
He won’t change and it will get worse. Try to get some online or remote counselling if you can, or at least set it up for when this is over. Read Lundy Bancroft, Why Does He Do That. Read about controlling men, narcissism, emotional control. Good luck.

CheddarGorgeous · 12/04/2020 07:28

OP he sounds awful. I second the counselling. And possibly a trial separation.

But in the meantime please try to emotionally detach. Let his jibes and barbed comments wash over you. Don't seek his approval or worry about criticism. Set your own standards, don't run round his.

My DH has/had some similar behaviour but much much less pronounced. In his case it comes from being ultra proactive and energetic, coupled with having lived alone for a long time.

The difference is he's incredibly kind and loving. And I can challenge him and he'll change.

Treacletoots · 12/04/2020 07:34

It's hard to leave. Change always is, no matter what, never mind with all the complexities of children, finances and all the rest of it.

Imagine your life without being bossed about. Without being the victim of coercive control, because that's exactly what this is.

I've been here OP. I can tell you life on the other side is wonderful, ask yourself, is staying for the next 5, 10, 20 years better than the temporary stress of getting out of this situation (a few weeks) , or better still, getting him to move out. You know the answer to this.

Start getting your ducks in a row. Start getting your head round the idea. Contact the police if you're concerned he could turn on you. But start doing something, to help you and your DC escape this. Don't be that person who does nothing and wastes the rest of their life.

Walkingwounded · 12/04/2020 07:39

Also op, it sounds like your kids risk gradually losing respect for you over time, seeing you constantly put down, corrected etc. Would you want them to grow up thinking that behaviour is normal, perhaps repeating it in their own adult lives?

PerkyPomPoms · 12/04/2020 07:42

You need to reframe this to validating your choices not seeking approval. You went out for shopping. Doesn’t matter if he did backflips for joy when he saw it. It matters that you knew what was needed and made it happen.

Gwynfluff · 12/04/2020 07:49

Similar stuff here. Finally woke up - read Bancroft too - though I think yours is more Mr Right than mine is. Can’t split due to finances. So I’ve just emotionally distanced myself and don’t get drawn in. It’s a very weird dynamic actually - when I distance he’s way more respectful and less critical. But if there is ever a sniff that we are back in a relationship, the criticising and control comes back. It’s as if he owns me and I’m the thing he uses as his emotional punchbag if he feels a bit stressed.

Casino218 · 12/04/2020 07:58

He's abusive and controlling and you need to get out of that relationship. Lovely men don't behave like that op!

LouiseCollina · 12/04/2020 16:49

”You will go and comfort her like a mother should”

That’d have been my marriage over right there. This prick thinks he’s living between the covers of a Victorian novel, where he’s the lord of the manor and you’re the poor pleb fortunate enough to have married him.

Get rid OP. A man who thinks that’s the way to speak to his wife is not going to change. Listen to your dreams; they’re trying to tell you something.

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