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Bossy husband

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tatkin · 10/04/2020 10:54

I wonder if anyone can give me some advice - I can’t decide whether I am going mad, am oversensitive, overreacting, projecting or am indeed living with an increasingly bossy, and critical husband.

I’ve been meaning to ask on here for a couple of years but held back - usually my emotions subside and I feel bad airing it all to strangers. But the other night I had a dream (I never remember them usually but I think the lockdown has disrupted the circadian rhythm) where I woke up crying because he was murdering me, but not quickly, but kicking me to death for hours and between each beating he was screaming about what a shit mother I was, a know-it-all, a shrew, a dried up old hag, cold and horrid, an emotional bully

For background, I grew up as an only child with a violent/ emotionally bullying father (who killed himself when I was adult) and a very young mother who rather treated me as a sibling but who was also very loving and looked after me really well and took pains to explain and discuss emotions. At heart she is a very sunny and easy going person. They were, however, not in the least controlling. I was raped on a study year abroad and the childhood coupled with that (and my parents and boyfriend back in Oxford not accepting I was raped) led me to attempt suicide and I spent 2 weeks in a mental hospital. I have had no serious mood issues since then really but at age 48 I am on HRT (in part because I think the dynamic with my husband convinced me that along with other physical symptoms I was having severe mood swings.

DH grew up with a sweet but absent and enabling father and a very controlling and mercurial mother who was obsessed with appearances and who is an Olympic Gold martyr.

We have been together since university and work in the same industry, part time (me four early shifts, him, 2 nights) so we can look after our two daughters (8 and 12)

To onlookers (including my mother who lived with a man who never lifted a finger domestically) he is perfect, he cooks and cleans and does laundry and DIY and looks after the children.

I feel that the issues may stem from this meshing of roles in a way. I feel that he views domestic chores competitively - he hates doing them (i grew up finding chores quite zen actually as it was a respite from the chaos and upset) but makes me feel so bad if I haven’t immediately sprung up to hang out laundry or put it away — he’s told me off about it a few times so I now make sure I do it. He will reload the dishwasher loudly when I’ve done it and pointedly ask about the water level in the coffee machine, salt in the softener. If I’ve got in there before I’m told “well done”. I find myself preempting him getting home with a mad dash of doing the things he’s bothered about (making bread dough, laundry, dishwasher - weirdly he couldn’t give a toss about hoovering) to stop any tutting.

I get up early - like 5am early before work to unload dishwasher even on days when he is off.

If the radio is playing music he doesn’t like he’ll make some passive aggressive comment about it - either invoking that the children need to listen to upbeat radio 1 instead and if that doesn’t work he’ll just turn it off.

He is rarely direct, it’s always “do you want ME to do x y z?” meaning I need to spring into action. He constantly tells me the chores he’s done (as Iif somehow I won’t know that the laundry is done)

This is all minor really but I feel like a child who can’t quite do well enough. I cook and clean tidy up like a demon (not his skillset)

All holidays are decided by him - I can have some say maybe in which villa etc but if he didn’t like it it just wouldn’t happen. Cars (even though i pay equally), houses - everything,

Basically life goes swimmingly if I do what he likes. And if anything goes wrong or gets lost, it’s usually my fault unless I can prove otherwise

If I ever raise anything, he immediately avoids or attacks me. He could never ever say sorry.

Eg His mother wanted to move from the country to London after his dad died. without me knowing he’d lined up a flat in the road next to us. apparently she’d been down to view it with him and she was about to put an offer in but I found the leaflet in the car and asked him about it and he flipped out and blamed me saying he couldn’t tell me because I’d go mental.

If I discipline our children and he feels I’m being harsh (he doesn’t discipline so i probably overcompensate) he will make out that I am abusive. I am not abusive but it’s a weak spot that he can play n to get me to stop. He tells my daughter when I am not there “don’t upset your mother, she’s under stress” - she of course tells me. But I am not under stress. He just doesn't like me telling them off.

Just this morning, my daughter was rude about an item of clothing I was sewing for her, i was downstairs and harrumphed about it and he said “I’m sure you’ll rise above it” in a pointed way. I raised my eyebrow and remarked that it sounded “rather pointed, why are you telling me what to do?” and I got told that I am always picking fights and he’s off to bed.

If I ever cried he wouldn’t comfort me.

That’s a tiny snapshot. Basically I feel like an abusive, bad tempered ogre who although I spend at least an hour or three on household duties isn’t doing it well enough. I realised one day that my work appraisals fell less harsh!

I don’t need to list my shortcomings here as they are made clear to me, directly and indirectly every day.

What do I do when that person is avoidant and shifts the blame?

OP posts:
YangShanPo · 10/04/2020 21:41

He's gone too far by calling you an abusive mother that's a line for you and he crossed it. Now you are questioning why you put up with everything else.

tatkin · 11/04/2020 08:43

ffs

I went and queued for ages at 6am and did a big shop, including getting easter eggs and coal and got back to him coming downstairs to ask why I'd got a white chocolate one because "you know they don't like it". I have just had such enough of it that I had to go upstairs to the loo and cry.

Its a bone of contention with him that if I go shopping I don't get the "right stuff" and there's always some huffing or tutting.

In answer to the above no, he doesn't stop me seeing friends or control my money, he's not controlling like that (which is why I used 'bossy' in the title) but his work patterns and mine mean that I am not free in the evenings and gradually bit by bit what with work and kids and being at home my world (to be fair his too) has shrunk, so that's why I posted here.

I said this morning "there's always something wrong with my shopping isn't there" and he said "you always take everything so personally - it's not always about you, you know." and he went off for a run (and I guess to buy proper eggs)

OP posts:
Aerial2020 · 11/04/2020 08:50

Give him the shopping to do at 6 am?

tatkin · 11/04/2020 09:02

the sad thing is I wanted to get his approval for the shopping I'd done, how utterly f&cked up is that.

How did I get here?

OP posts:
Aerial2020 · 11/04/2020 09:04
Flowers You don't need his approval. He's not your master &keeper.
mcmooberry · 11/04/2020 09:05

He does sound very critical and passive aggressive as well as NOT helpful with shared chores if he makes a song and dance about doing them. Is it true they don't like white chocolate eggs or is he just finding something negative to say?
Children and the realities of family life do seem to change people and it seems like a pattern of behaviour has developed that needs to be changed. Counselling after lockdown?

RoLaren · 11/04/2020 09:13

Children learn about relationships and respect from their parents. You learned from yours, and now your children are learning from theirs. Time to break the pattern.

funnylittlefloozie · 11/04/2020 09:15

Did he actually order you to go and console your daughter like a "proper mother should"? What an absolutely pompous imbecile.

Foghead · 11/04/2020 09:15

You need to change this subservient role you have.
He should be your partner, not your boss. He’s managed up control your behaviour so much.
Don’t do things if you don’t want to. Why do you wake up early or run around to do certain tasks? Do them in your own time or let him do them.
Listen to music you want to. Tell him to get lost and stop trying to stifle you if he makes you change the radio station.
This is your life too. You should be able to live it how you want to as well.

Aerial2020 · 11/04/2020 09:28

He sounds like a critical parent. Like he is trying to parent you (but not as loving parent) and there is a need in you that is responding to that.
You must be obedient and do as he says to gain his love.
Wanting is approval for th shopping and all he does is criticise you and gaslight you for 'taking things perosnally'
Start talking back. Tell him where to go. Ignore his requests.

Tigersneeze · 11/04/2020 09:31

you always take everything so personally
^
this is a brilliant tool to shift the blame onto you,
and to minimise your feelings.
this tool works really really well for your partner, you will question your healthy gut feeling and think its you.

Im worried about your children learning this behaviour and seeing their mum treated like this, my childhood home was similar and I still suffer from it, years and years of therapy and still finding myself trapped in patterns of self blame.

Luckybe40 · 11/04/2020 09:32

OP, I feel your pain. Mine is similar. Although I can’t be arsed cleaning the whole house, I live with 3 messy pigs who don’t clean properly and I would spend my whole life picking up after them. BUT he snaps at me, moans about such stupid shit that I’ve “done”. The other day I made him frittata and chopped it up and put it in the fridge. He found it and instead of saying thank you he complained that I had put it in a plastic bag with a knot in the top.( he had to undo the knot) of course I felt really badConfused but it’s because he is so cheap he bought cheap food bags instead of ziplocks! But I just thought who pulls someone up for the bag they put food in? And the list goes on and on and on, and he makes me feel bad ALL the time. His dad is the same. And if I
Disagree or argue or point out a flaw, holy shit, I get ripped to shredsAngry I feel you.

Luckybe40 · 11/04/2020 09:34

And by the way, we are both trapped in unhealthy relationship dynamics. The parent/child dynamic. Not good.

RandomMess · 11/04/2020 09:36

It sounds utterly miserable Sad

Whatifitallgoesright · 11/04/2020 09:38

He's managed to erode your sense of self, it feels like you have no time in your daily life except to react to his thoughts and views. Leaving him sounds like the best outcome but it's such a massive step. First it feels like you need to reclaim yourself. I don't know how to best do this. Keeping a diary would be my start, noting when you jump to attention, when you've been programmed to respond in a certain way. So starting to create a distance around you in order to build your strength. Observe his behaviour, keep records.

KrakowDawn · 11/04/2020 09:47

I'm not a counsellor, my own marriage is over in all but name, but here's what I think.

You need to leave him- obviously not now but look up all the things you need to take to a solicitor to instigate divorce, and prepare as much as you can without him finding out. I think he will be very angry and very nasty if he finds out.

You sound like a very intelligent woman- your appraisal of the situation was really concise and easy to understand- you sound like exactly the kind of person I would be friends with! Sadly, I'm nowhere near London, but there are a great many MNers that are, so maybe look on MN local for meet-ups or people looking for local friends. Meet Up website is also v good for finding people with your interests. also FB, but I'm not the kind of person that uses FB, but there's lots of local groups on there, even if it's just a "Clacton litter pickers" type thing- you and your children will meet locals

Your children are getting to the age where you will have more freedom from the constraints of constantly being present, and this will make a huge difference to how you can live. Being able to pop to the supermarket alone for fifteen minutes is not that far off, and that will make things much more easy once you're a lone parent.

You sound very capable and strong, and self-reliant- you can do this! Smile

suggestionsplease1 · 11/04/2020 10:20

It doesn't sound great OP - you both sound like you're not really compatible.

To play devil's advocate and explore altermative takes... how are you 'disciplining' the kids? He might genuninely find your actions over the top and harmful to your children's emotional health? He should not however be bringing up any issues he has in front of the kids, but finding time to discuss this in private with you.

The white chocolate Easter eggs - to be honest I can imagine threads on here from posters starting.. "So bl*dy p**ed off...husband KEEPS BUYING chocolate he knows the kids don't like!!!" And they would probably have support from posters saying how thoughtless that was, blah blah...

But yes, that is playing devil's advocate. The overall style of interaction where you feel constantly undermined and on eggshells is not a good way of continuing. You can try to have to conversation to be clear on this and reset the overall tone (and it seems like this worked for an earlier poster on this thread) but if he's not open to that, or doesn't see the issue then you probably need to rethink the relationship altogether.

dkl55 · 11/04/2020 10:35

Hi OP
I think this sounds really horrible for you. In some way he has engineered a situation where he gets what he wants and you spring into action. My sister had her husband had a situation where from being very happy, after some very stressful years and a small child, her husband turned into a man who was very critical. She was always doing x, y or z incorrectly and it wears one down. So much so she was talking about leaving him. However she sat him down and tried to talk about how this was all making her feel and what he was doing. My personal opinion was that he, feeling depressed and in response to what had happened, was trying to exert some control over the rest of his life and lashing out at those close to him. The talk and about effort on his part to stop has meant that they are now happier. However how he responds to what you say is very important. Don't let him continue as you only have one life and you don't want someone taking what happiness there is in It from you. X

BertiesLanding · 11/04/2020 11:08

You got here because that's what you know. That's what you've been taught about relationships.

It's not true, though, and it's going to take time to unlearn that and to make much, much healthier choices about who spend time with, and what your definition of "love" is.

morecoffeerequired · 11/04/2020 11:18

you always take everything so personally
The only response to that is to say that "Yes, that's because it is personal, you are criticising me. You are not my boss so stop telling me off. If you want something doing a certain way, then do it your fucking self".

Aerial2020 · 11/04/2020 11:51

This

Aerial2020 · 11/04/2020 11:53

I can see why this is happening OP. You prob learnt it from your parents/childhood and it takes a lot to undo a lifetime of it.
Start small with saying no, or that's not good for me. Or ignore.
If you've always done as you are told, its prob strange to start thinking what's best for you instead.
It's a pattern of behaviour to unlearn.

Graphista · 11/04/2020 18:03

@Foghead & @Aerial2020

while your posts are well meaning and I understand the frustration but your advice could actually be dangerous for op.

Becoming antagonistic or confrontational with a controlling man could trigger violence.

Op above all stay safe. You know him you know what will be safe and what won't.

Aerial2020 · 11/04/2020 18:31

Er what? @Foghead
I didn't say confront him. I suggested saying no and ignoring???

Aerial2020 · 11/04/2020 18:32

Sorry @Graphista

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