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Does an abuser know they are one?

81 replies

Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 13:34

Does say an abusive husband know that they are abusive. Do they set out from the start with a plan in mind? Have they always been abusive and will they ever become non abusive?

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Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 17:33

Mine H is all alone in the family house he won’t leave and I feel a bit sorry but he deserve what he has.

OMG the breakup, what a mind fuck that was. I didn’t even know at the time I was being abused. What an absolute shit day (best decision I’ve ever made) begging for his permission to leave, telling him I’m dying, telling him I’m leaving to set him free....what a mess!

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Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 17:35

In the end he couldn’t stand my decision and he pushed my out the house because he said he would’ve have been able to control his reaction. Then he said he would try his best to win me back...didn’t try hard enough!

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Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 17:38

I have a text from him where he says to me, you are so good at paying a victim, what you telling everyone, I’m a bully I’m abusive...I believe he knew all along and I have to accept that, that’s hard!

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picklemewalnuts · 02/04/2020 17:45

I think he's still attempting to control you. Do you have to communicate with him? Can you keep it practical and ignore anything else?

Also, people will keep responding to your OP, I think you may need to post again with a different question if you want to talk about how you handle things now.

Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 17:54

Sorry yes just divulging a bit. I have stopped all contact months ago, just working through thoughts Confused

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Faith50 · 02/04/2020 18:04

I believe abusers know exactly what they are doing. They know how far they can push you. My ex from nearly 20 years ago was emotionally and physically abuse. I saw the signs and let them pass. I had rather low self-esteem and was flattered he wanted to date me due to his good looks. The abuse crept in but signs were obvious; digs about my appearance, my friends not really liking me, the fact that I irritated him, discussing how many women he could have. He would refuse to accompany me to an event if I did something wrong i.e. not as he wanted. He gas lighted me which made me doubt myself. He changed past conversations and became angry when I spoke up.

He would kick me, sometimes off his bed. Some nights he would banish me to the spare room and I would go in tears. He enjoyed having power over me. I still remember the smirk on his face when he brought me to tears.

I stayed for several years then called it a day. He hated that I ended it not that I left. Worst four years of my life - my confidence plummeted in every area of my life and took years to rebuild. A part of me is still damaged. I do not recognise who I became but I know why it happened. People do what you allow them to.

If you do not have the strength, courage or resilience others will break you down. They will test you. I was severely bullied as a teenager and contemplated suicide. I have learnt that I allowed it, I was scared, I was weak. I had no respect from my peers because I had no fight in me.

I have never been able to get over the fact that I could have kicked the shit out of the head bully and stopped it in its tracks. I felt powerless at the time.

Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 18:49

If only....

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picklemewalnuts · 02/04/2020 18:50

Sorry Fighting, I don't want to control your thread! I'm just observing that people are coming on to share their experience of their abuser's inability to recognise their abusive behaviour, and not actually answering the later points you raise.

I am, but I'm not very knowledgeable!

RLEOM · 02/04/2020 19:26

I think it varies. One of my exes was verbally abusive but nes it because he knew he'd adopted his behaviour from his dad - it was all outward abuse. My most recent ex cheats or does something wrong and would then gaslight me. We have a child together and he still does it, often playing mind games to make me look and feel stupid, but I'm sure he doesn't identify himself as abusive as it's not open and outward (like verbal, physical and sexual), it's hidden and snidy. Both his mum and dad are the same.

So no, they don't always identify their behaviour as abusive. Poor parenting = crappy offspring.

Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 19:40

My lack of self esteem is from my mum.
My husbands father was drunk and abused him and his mother badly. I think I allowed his behaviour because he made me feel very sorry him/I was genuinely sorry for him. But it’s not an excuse is it? Plenty of abused people go on to not be abusers don’t they?

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Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 19:42

My nan was abused by her husband, my mum was abused by her father, my mum abused myself and her husband, my husband abused me.....I’m going to break this cycle for my daughter!

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Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 19:44

I used to sit and question my life whilst in the depths of abuse, what was the point of being alive. I believe this is the reason why I’m here!

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Racmactac · 02/04/2020 19:49

I've dealt with lots of abusers on a professional basis and also 2 crappy relationships. I honestly don't know what I believe. Most of them deny it, the ones that did admit it justified the behaviour.
So would say yeah but i only strangled her because she pushed me.
I remember one very young lad who admitted everything, he said he needed help, he'd had pretty poor upbringing with little male guidance. He worked hard on himself.

My ex likes to portray himself as the victim. He slays me off to everyone that will listen, tells everyone I'm harassing him. When reality is I don't talk about him, I don't look at him and I most definitely don't harass him.
He absolutely believes he is the victim.
He's very good at it as well. He has lots of people believing him. I despair.

ChubbyPigeon · 02/04/2020 19:57

I don't think they think of themselves as abusers

However I do think they know what they are doing, and they might know it's 'wrong', or at least would be considered wrong by others. However in their eyes it justified. They care only about themselves and how they can get what they want, they would see the victim as worthless.

I'm not totally sure as well that they hide it at work or in public. There are some men that are good at this however there are definitely some who I've seen lose their temper. Or have shown a side to them. I work quite closely with the public, both men and women and a lot of the time it's not a surprise if a woman discloses abuse to me/my colleagues.

Blossomad · 02/04/2020 19:57

My sister was married to an abuser. He was totally delusional, genuinely mentally ill, narcissistic and had previously had psychotic episodes. He wore her down and made a lot of plans/ promises that he never kept. He doesn’t know that he is an abuser because he’s still completely delusional. He recently threatened to kick my door down as some of his stuff is in my house. ( They both stayed with me recently). She reported it to the police, as did I. He was at great pains to tell the police that he would never do such a thing. 🙄 He often makes veiled threats and tries to intimidate her with disturbing insinuations. Then acts innocent and makes out it’s in everyone else’s head. I don’t know why he’s that way and I don’t care, I’m just glad she finally left him.

Blossomad · 02/04/2020 20:01

My ex likes to portray himself as the victim. He slays me off to everyone that will listen, tells everyone I'm harassing him. When reality is I don't talk about him, I don't look at him and I most definitely don't harass him.
He absolutely believes he is the victim.
He's very good at it as well. He has lots of people believing him. I despair.

THIS. My sisters ex believes this as well. He believes that I was trying to intimidate him 👀. He’s 6ft 6 and big. He actually believes that he is the victim and god knows what stories he tells his friends about my sister and me. Completely Delusional.

Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 21:14

I guess humans are animals and some animals eat there partners. Why we feel the need to be with someone at all costs is rubbish.

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TheYearOfTheDog · 02/04/2020 21:29

These abusers are weird in that they cannot get close to anybody without eventually blaming that person for everything in their life.

Is it the "intimacy" flawed though it is that causes them to do this?

Familiarty breeds contempt in the case of abusers.

Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 21:50

My husband created the problem that he bullied me over. He said I couldn’t be intimidate and that I was flawed and had problems. Nobody would put up with me, I wasn’t normal (rape amongst others) He created the reasons why I couldn’t feel intimate towards him then was surprised that I didn’t want to go near him. Yet apparently all he ever wanted was for me to give myself to him.....wtf

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Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 21:51

They are messed up, when your in it you’re really deep in it.

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Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 21:54

Intimate that’s meant to say

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Love51 · 02/04/2020 22:00

This is sort of the flip side, but relevant to red flags. When I was young I had a job working for an adoption team, mainly preparing paperwork for panels. Obviously a lot of the children had a lot of trauma and abuse in their backgrounds. I couldn't understand how by the age of 9, a child could meet maybe 3 separate, seemingly unconnected people who abused them badly. A manager explained to me what on here would be called red flags. An abuser would start by overstepping boundaries, tickling or putting a hand in the thigh. They would see how the child reacted, as to whether it was worth pursuing. Some children have been taught to allow it, not to fight back. It deoends how they have been socialised and what they believe will happen if they complain, and who they would complain to. Children are small and weak, but if they are heard, they are safe. I'm not sure if I'm explaining it quite right but basically, it wasn't random or bad luck that a child ran into 3 abusers, they had been taught to behave in a way that didn't stop the abuser at the first flag.
It's the same with adults. Loads of people have dating stories (especially since online dating became bug) where the man will act like a complete arsehole early doors. If 90% of women tell him to fuck off, the 10% that overlook it are the ones for him.
So, I kind of get the ones who are abusive from the outset. The ones who are apparently nice then turn abusive once the woman is pregnant, I don't get those. We're they acting the while time? Was he not actually nice?

limpbizkit · 02/04/2020 22:06

@TheYearOfTheDog I totally second that

Fightingback16 · 02/04/2020 22:07

It’s creepy to know that you are targeted and it wasn’t spontaneous.

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DeeCeeCherry · 02/04/2020 22:12

Yes they do, thats why they are street angels but house devils.

IDGAF what they think they are or not, nor see the point of giving them analysing headspace. They need getting rid of, that's it