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Adult DS becoming confrontational and potentially violent

56 replies

fadedviolets · 29/03/2020 12:17

I do need advice, but please don’t be annoyed if I don’t do exactly what people suggest. I really need to make sure that I get through this with minimal impact to everybody concerned.

DS(21) has autism. He is fairly high-functioning insofar as he has no input from outside agencies and he doesn’t claim any disability related benefits, although this is mostly because he doesn’t accept his diagnosis - at most, he accepts he has ‘some Asperger traits’ but he doesn’t accept that in fact his life is seriously compromised by his disability. He has grandiose ideas (to study medicine, to work abroad) but they have no basis in reality - he thinks saying things in a determined tone is enough.

He left school in 2016 with three A levels, but didn’t get brilliant grades and became notably withdrawn and depressed afterwards. He was definitely quirky at school but he did have friends and seemed mostly okay. I have wondered if perhaps I over encouraged him, and gave him an inflated sense of his own importance. It’s hard to say. Either way, he didn’t do much after leaving school. He did have a couple of jobs but they inevitably didn’t work out. He then got onto a course in 2018 which had work experience and gave him a moderate sum of money. He was asked to leave that at the end of last year, and since then has done NOTHING bar have one job that lasted two weeks.

He stays in bed until noon, then gets up, methodically cleans his teeth and washes his face (but doesn’t shower regularly) and watches Netflix. Sometimes he would go to the gym. His hair grew wild and bushy.

I’ve honestly tried to be supportive, put him on my car insurance so he could get to job interviews, helped with claiming JSA (he can’t claim it now as he left his last job) paid for a haircut (relief I did it just before lockdown) and I do give him money but he squanders it. I know that’s unfair really but he does, he buys Niquitin (he doesn’t even smoke) and before lockdown would for example buy two bus tickets rather than a day one so end up spending £10 instead of £3.

Anyway, on Friday, he gave me something to look after (Hmm) and I was in my bedroom at the time. My job recently disappeared due to coronavirus Sad but I did get a large payoff. I have put this in an ISA and I haven’t told DS, possibly unfairly but anyway. I am doing freelance work for a company I used to work for and it is reasonably well paid, but very intricate and tricky to do from home. I have converted my bedroom into a quiet space to do this. I put the thing ds gave me to one side and then I fell asleep Hmm and I couldn’t remember for the life of me where to put it. To be fair to him ds wasn’t angry but he did literally turn my room upside down hunting for it. I begged him to stop but it was as if he couldn’t hear me - he very probably couldn’t as when he fixates on one thing everything else does fall by the wayside but even so it was absolutely horrible having your adult son rifle through underwear and jewellery box and perfume and cosmetics. (It eventually turned up in my hair straighteners case, if anyone’s interested.)

Anyway, this will sound ridiculous but I’ve been silently fuming about that all day yesterday. It brought back a really uncomfortable memory of my dad deciding as a teenager that my bedroom was too messy and he took it upon himself to go in, make sticky labels entitled BRAS, KNICKERS and sort my underwear. I’m not suggesting for a moment my dad meant anything inappropriate towards me in doing so, but it was just really humiliating having it happen (both my parents had the attitude that ‘it’s not your room, it’s ours, because it’s our house.’) So that, combined with endless ‘MUUUUUM, MUUUM?’ ‘yes, dear?’ ‘I’ve ... decided I’m going to apply for jobs in India!’ while I’m trying to do fiddly, intricate work (and yes I HAVE asked him PLEASE not to interrupt me) I’ve been feeling thoroughly stressed and fed up with him.

Today he asked for my debit card to go to the shop with, and I said yes and asked him to pick up a drink I like. I added that there was only now £20 in the current account, which isn’t a problem as I will get paid for the work I’ve done tomorrow. DS pulled an incredibly sanctimonious face and loudly said ‘ER, do you think you could try to drink water? Your habit (Hmm) is costing us a fortune.’

I was furious, and I won’t deny I snapped. He called me a ‘fucking cheeky git’ which HAS really annoyed me - it’s so disrespectful - and started bellowing. To be honest, I was finding it a bit intimidating and this is something we’ve spoken about before in calmer moments, about how he appears bloody scary when he’s angry and this is one of the reasons a few jobs haven’t worked out - and he came looming over me with his fist raised. Nothing happened but I was / am shaken.

I’m not sure what to do now. I do have an adult daughter I could stay with, but she’s a key worker and she has a fiancé and I don’t want to make things tense for them. I also have a partner, who would probably be pleased if I were to move in for a bit but I don’t know what I’d tell him and also it still seems a bit rude almost to plonk myself there.

I could possibly book a hotel or Airbnb normally but of course now I can’t.

So should I grit my teeth and see it out, move in with daughter or dp, or other option? As I’m feeling I just CAN’T stay.

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magicfarawaytrees · 29/03/2020 12:34

I’d move in with your partner. When this is settled you need to make arrangements for him to move out/live in supported accommodation.

pluiedeprintemps · 29/03/2020 12:40

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Palaver1 · 29/03/2020 12:41

He needs tonget into assisted accommodation.
He really does. You cant have him under your feet for ever and it will get worse.
If you dont try and sort it out now you might not be able to do it in the future.
Its the only way to keep both of you safe

OliviaBenson · 29/03/2020 12:42

If you leave, you are handing him even more power. He should be the one to leave. And I don't think your son has any right to know anything about your payout.

He seems to think he's in charge, you need to take that back. Can he stay at his dads?

madcatladyforever · 29/03/2020 12:43

No you don't move out you call the police. It's your home.
He can clearly understand that this is not acceptable behaviour and a few nights in the cells will make him think twice.

ceejay54321 · 29/03/2020 12:44

I’d say focus on the positive - as far as possible. Give him lots of praise. 3 A Levels is great, encourage all job applications - even if they seem unrealistic to you. Even at age 21 I would think love, cuddles, reassurance will go a long way. Does he view his autism as a unique and positive thing, or as a disability? If you say he is ‘quirky’ - he will probably suit a less conventional type job. The current climate could be a great opportunity to reconnect, sit with him, explore his views without boundaries, and to help him find a path. If a confrontation arises - I’d lock myself away until it passes (bathroom, garage) If you feel afraid for your safety though, you need to take urgent action.

caringcarer · 29/03/2020 12:50

Very difficult. I think I would ask if you could move in with partner on a temporary basis. Then order food on internet to be delivered to son. Can he cook? You really need to ring social services. I know theyvare busy atm.

DeeCeeCherry · 29/03/2020 12:53

I’d say focus on the positive - as far as possible. Give him lots of praise. 3 A Levels is great, encourage all job applications - even if they seem unrealistic to you. Even at age 21 I would think love, cuddles, reassurance will go a long way

He's not a baby.

He's an adult who shouts and has raised his fist to his mother, and has all the makings of being financially controlling.

Please don't encourage women to appease men like this - him being her son makes no difference. Something has to be done to help both of them, alternative accommodation, in his case. Then hopefully relationship can get on a more balanced footing.

TitianaTitsling · 29/03/2020 13:00

Did the course he was on acknowledge his diagnosis? Why did they let him go? Just wondering if this could be some avenue of support for you and him?

SpockPaperScissorsLizardRock · 29/03/2020 13:02

That sounds so hard my DS has autism but he's only 8. I'm terrified of what he'll be like as an adult as he can be very violent during meltdowns.

Would a timetable help for him to see when you are working. E.g. from 9-11 working, do not disturb. My DH has been working at home this week and it helps DS know when he can go and talk to him etc.

Also tell him you won't give him money anymore and he should apply for PIP.

To the people who mention assisted living I imagine that's very difficult to get.

SpockPaperScissorsLizardRock · 29/03/2020 13:06

Also, if he needs money I work from home for this company (referral link). Most of the work is very easy and can be done from home. The work is quite sporadic but I make a couple of hundred a month without much effort and a few hours here and there..

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FizzyGreenWater · 29/03/2020 13:16

I have not seen a single thing in your post which really demonstrates that any of the issues you are having here are a direct result of your DS's autism. Was he formally diagonsed? You do seem to be trying to emphasise this as much as possible - does anyone not brush their teeth 'methodically'? - but the picture you paint is actually of an unpleasant, entitled, aggressive young man, not an autistic one primarily.

It sounds more that you want very much for his issues to be outwith your and his control, rather than them be simply very nasty personailty traits which are not helped in any way by being appeased and ok'd by the people - mainly women - around him.

He talks shit and treats you like shit while you fund him - and then has the cheek to pull you up on how you run your home.

Tackle all THAT before anything else. If he cannot respect you in your own home that YOU pay for, he can move out. Tell him if he dares speak to you like that again, he can move out. He ransacks your bedroom or even goes in there without permission, he can move out. He wants to talk shit about how money is spent in your home - can can earn some of it.

Aspergers or not, you are doing him NO favours by accommodating his selfish, entitled, misogynistic attitude.

fadedviolets · 29/03/2020 13:17

He can’t possibly move into supported accommodation - he isn’t even claiming any benefits at the moment.

spock, thank you, but he can’t / won’t. His ICT skills are poor anyway - I’m constantly stopped from what I am doing because he’s minimised the screen on the laptop, or something, and ‘all my work has gone.’

ceejay he has not let me touch him for the best part of a decade, although thinks nothing of walking around the house with nothing but a hoodie on! I think we’d both vomit if I tried to ‘cuddle’ him! With that being said, I won’t call the police, either, and in any event he hasn’t really committed any crime.

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fadedviolets · 29/03/2020 13:19

fizzy yes, he is diagnosed. What I’m trying to get across with that description is that his routine is one that traps him. He is dirty, at the moment, doesn’t wash his hands or himself, he stank of body odour last week. Yet he washes his face and cleans his teeth in the morning even though the rest of him smells. I can’t explain that so well.

He isn’t unpleasant most of all of the time, mostly he is nice enough but autism is by its very nature selfish But yes, it is.

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Nanny0gg · 29/03/2020 13:42

I'm unsure as to what advice you're looking for here as he clearly isn't going to listen to any form of reason and you're blocking other suggestions.

Figgygal · 29/03/2020 13:48

Certainly don’t be forced from your home
Maybe it is time to get external support or is the plan that you fund and house him forever?

fadedviolets · 29/03/2020 14:03

Nanny PLEASE re read the very first line of my post, please don’t turn this into a MN ‘you are not following helpful advice’ .

figgy well yes, if external support is limited at the best of times and then they won’t engage with it, what options do you have?

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magicfarawaytrees · 29/03/2020 14:16

You keep ploughing on until you get that support and make an absolute nuisance of yourself To external support. It shouldn’t be this way but unfortunately it is.

You sound really bogged down and like you can’t see the wood for the trees at the minute. The fact you are unsure whether you should have told him about your payout is just wrong and very telling- it should be absolutely none of his business! Its such a tricky age for parents of children with ASD. I’m going to be harsh here though- if you just accept this now he’ll still be living with you when he is 40/50 and you are too old to manage. Or when things have become so bad you can’t carry on any longer.

My advice is see this lockdown as a turning point and really focus on how he will be living independently in a year or two. Make sure you take your time and it’s a decent place.

ceejay54321 · 29/03/2020 14:26

Hey @DeeCeeCherry I’m entitled to give advice as I see it. My daughter raises her fist to me too. I won’t slate your advice and please don’t slate mine. OP knows this situation best and it’s up to HER to listen to opinions. I imagine that she lived her son very much and wants the best for him.

ceejay54321 · 29/03/2020 14:27

#loves

Nanny0gg · 29/03/2020 14:57

OP, I'm not suggesting you follow all advice. I'm asking what sort of advice you want/need?

Interestedwoman · 29/03/2020 15:01

Hi OP, could he move in with your mum? Or is he hard work for her too? It just seems wrong for you to consider the idea that you lhave to leave your home. Xxx

fadedviolets · 29/03/2020 15:10

My mum is no longer alive, interested , she died when ds was a baby.

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fadedviolets · 29/03/2020 15:12

nanny if I knew what I needed I wouldn’t be posting, would I? I’m not trying to sound like an arse but posts like that make me feel I shouldn’t post at all if I’m not going to follow all advice, and I really can’t contemplate involving the police and supported living is a no-go, so what can I do? I stay here, I stay with DP, or I stay with DD, or a fourth option perhaps not yet thought of. It’s isolating enough without being made to feel I can’t use MN, too!

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Joanna1232 · 29/03/2020 15:41

Hugs to you op. Must be really hard. In remembering he never asked to have autism will lessens the anger as a parent you feel. Only you as a mother can decide what you will and won't tolerate. Only you as a mother knows if he can help how he treats you in those moments. Only you as a mother the mother that has sacrificed so much already, knows when enough is enough. A bird can be put in water enough times that it will eventually learn to swim to survive but it was and never will be a fish. Can you spend your life making sure the bird doesn't drown. The only way to do that is to help it. Leaving the bird will only end badly for the bird but I know you must be so tired.