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Evaluating long term prospects

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WhyIsIt · 26/03/2020 10:11

NC for this. Long term poster and lurker on Mumsnet

Last year I met someone after being single a long time. It was better and healthier than my other relationships and moved fast emotionally from both sides. We both have children but we have not moved them fast into our relationship as well by the way. Mine are nearly adults so have met him. I have not been introduced to his which is fine and I have no issue with that decision for now. We live 20 miles apart.

I am a worrier and planner and he is opposite in that he is very laid back. I have not been at all used to having someone in my life for a long long time. Sometimes I get stressed about things although we are good at talking these things through calmly and he eventually will work our what I am trying to say. Usually it is that he doesn’t know what to say or do if I need support and so he will just do nothing at all.

He’s become very comfortable and once he initiated that we are in a relationship (which was so romantic and sweet at the time) we pretty much stopped dating and a lot of the nice cute things he used to express to me like saying I miss you also stopped.

I try very hard not to be unreasonable or demanding but I think the current situation has made I have started to have major concerns about whether I am wasting my time on something that has no future. I don’t want more children and there is no need to rush, equally life is short and why waste it with someone who doesn’t want the same as you? I don’t want to miss someone who never misses me. He would say he did if I asked but I don’t want to have to ask.

We have talked and he says he wants the same as me long term. Something in my gut feels like it doesn’t add up. I have been up front that if I go into a relationship I want it to be a committed one that has a future. I don’t want anything casual and he said he wanted the same.

We were apart before the official lockdown happened and it wasn’t even a discussion as he decided for both of us there was zero option to do it together. Now I feel like he calls me every day out of duty to keep me from complaining not because he really wants to talk to me. He would happily go a day or 2 with just a few odd texts to keep in touch. I wish I could be ok with that too and it makes me feel needy and I don’t like that.

Prior to lockdown he said he was considering me meeting his DC in May but he would have to ask his ex first which is on hold understandably.

When I try to make any plans with him, even an upcoming weekend he says I am pressuring him and over thinking and need to relax. I have explained that just because he doesn’t plan much doesn’t mean other people don’t. It feels like a lot of things are on his terms to fit in with HIS life and I am waiting for him to decide what he wants to do. He does lots of things last minute and I end up feeling disappointed and let down.

I’m more afraid of wasting my time than I am of being alone but I don’t know if I am being demanding and thinking too far ahead?

OP posts:
category12 · 08/04/2020 21:00

So have you actually ended it?

WhyIsIt · 08/04/2020 21:03

I had no choice
Why am I so devastated. I don’t know

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category12 · 08/04/2020 21:11

Well done Flowers.

You're devastated because that's the trauma bond these types create - the push/pull, the headfuckery, the gaslighting and insecurity creates a sort of addiction. It's intense, it's a rollercoaster but it's not really love, it's the darker twin of it.

You will recover. Just accept it's going to hurt and it's going to be a struggle for a while, but you will come out of it.

WhyIsIt · 08/04/2020 21:13

I love him so much but I hate him
Why did he do this to me. What did I do to deserve this

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RandomMess · 08/04/2020 21:19

You fell in love with who he pretended to be, it is devastating to discover you've been duped...

category12 · 08/04/2020 21:33

You didn't do anything wrong, you just picked a wrong un. It's all him.

Charley50 · 08/04/2020 23:12

You didn't do anything wrong. Really, he didn't live up to your expectations and he was messing around with your heart, your head and your time.
It's normal to feel sad when something ends, doesn't mean it was a good thing.

WhyIsIt · 09/04/2020 01:18

Thank you (can’t sleep)

I have felt on the outside of his life for so long. Like a dog waiting for their owner to come home. He told me stuff that he had decided and then never shared with me. Like he didn’t think meeting the kids was a good idea anymore and they were not ready. But yesterday was the first time I knew that he felt that way now and had talked to ex wife about it but not me. Also that he has no intention of living with anyone or getting married again at any time he can see in the future right now, but earlier on in our RS that is what HE talked about what he did want within a year or 2 (the moving in) and then he’s made me feel like shit for being excited about that one day happening. He sent me photos of the kids all the time and they made me feel sad as selfishly I was never included they don’t know who I am. I’m looking in on someone’s life all the time from far away it’s demoralising. Ive gifted the children things to help him out or be kind and show I’m interested and they have no idea who I am. the other day on the phone one child asked him who i was and he said ‘nobody’. Not even friend or colleague. Actually ‘nobody’

He never wanted to be the bad guy so it was easier for him to just chop and change day by day based on his mood. I know it’s unhealthy to drag over it all and I am not looking for sympathy, I saw this happening al along I just didn’t know how to confront it.

Rejection and heartbreak is something he’s had experience of so I made a silly assumption he would be mindful of putting someone else through the same thing. I was wrong

Mainly I feel a sense of loss and rejection. I will miss him but I need to feel better again. I will mourn for what I thought I was getting but how will I ever trust someone or anything they say ever again? This is the second time someone’s done this to me (led me along on a very controlled basis that’s all about them) and I feel like I am just not worthy of love or commitment with anyone at all

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FlowerArranger · 09/04/2020 09:03

@WhyIsIt... You gave this man ALL the power in the relationship. A man you'd only been with for a few months! And then you actually went and told him that he absolutely controlled our entire relationship at every element down to if he is even in the mood to speak to me, and that you we're happy to wait for him to be ready to move on if there was any future. Can you see how unhealthy, not to say dangerous this is?

Why did he do this to me. What did I do to deserve this... Of course you do not deserve this. But he did this because you let him. At every point of your interactions you were the supplicant, patiently but obviously waiting for him to throw you crumbs. Your description of being Like a dog waiting for their owner to come home is very abt!

Giving the children things to help him out or be kind and show I’m interested was entirely inappropriate, given that he clearly felt that it was too soon to involve them in your life.

I saw this happening all along I just didn’t know how to confront it. ... I feel like I am just not worthy of love or commitment with anyone at all

It isn't that you are not worthy of commitment. Rather you are not ready for commitment. You saw the red flags, but you didn't fully understand what they meant, or how to deal with them. Thats beause (a) you did not fully understand his priorities and motivations; and (b) because you were too dependent on him and how he treated you. He in turn perceived you as needy and clingy and consequently withdrew even further.

A good counsellor can help you address these issues. I would also suggest that you read these:

Women Who Love Too Much by Robin Norwood
The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem by Nathaniel Barden
Attached: The New Science of Adult Attachment and How It Can Help YouFind - and Keep - Love by Amir Levine and Rachel Heller

Feel sad but don't wallow in sadness, and look after yourself FlowersFlowersFlowers

category12 · 09/04/2020 15:40

I don't feel like OP sees the red flags now. It's become untenable for her to stay in the relationship, but she's still asking what's wrong with her instead of seeing what his manipulation.

WhyIsIt · 09/04/2020 17:34

I do see the red flags now. They didn’t feel like red flags at the time though. That’s on me too isn’t it. They were so clever IMO, so tapping into my psyche. I was too open too soon. I thought he was being open but it wasn’t real. I am real - so I judge people on my own standards? I do not want to live a life bitter and mistrustful of everyone. But I will have to. Of course I am going to ask what’s wrong with me. I am have a trail of failed relationships behind me. I am the common denominator

I only found out yesterday he didn’t want me in the kids life, so it didn’t feel inappropriate to do nice things for them at the time (little nice gifts or things I no longer need or use)

I had got to the point of saying IF there is no hope then we can’t carry on. If there is some hope then we can have that conversation but things need to change entirely. He didn’t want to be the bad guy so I had to take the decision for my own good. That is what the rejection part is.

I’m having counselling I ordered one of those books but it hasn’t arrived yet.

I feel weirdly ok today but it won’t last, I’m going to be very up and down for a while

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CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 09/04/2020 18:41

There is a lot of space between "being bitter and mistrustful" and "being too open too soon", OP. You sound a touch melodramatic there. (Which is fine, you're very soon post-break up.) In future, you want to allow someone into your life gradually. Spend time enjoying light, surface conversation topics before getting in deeper. And don't buy presents for kids you've not met.

category12 · 09/04/2020 18:51

Would you consider doing the Freedom Programme?

WhyIsIt · 09/04/2020 19:02

I gave them some craft things I had at home
I made them all a cake
And gave them some toys of my DC I no longer use
I also gave him a massive discount code for kids clothing

So no I didn’t buy anything but I don’t want to nitpick on that. I was being nice and he accepted all of it of course Hmm
He’s got all the stuff was happy to take it, used the discount code
I don’t think he bothered eating the cake probably because that was one thing he didn’t mention

I did all those things and I was the held back one keeping it fun and light, it was great. He got really heavy after about a month, and it was a bit relentless and I initially held back but I felt like it was all sweet and lovely and genuine, words and actions wise. It wasn’t just saying crap to me he would do lovely things too. I was utterly swept off my feet. I now see that this was a ego thing for him. He wanted very badly to be wanted by someone. So when I ended up wanting him, he no longer had the desire he did before right?

I won’t be bitter long term or mistrusting it’s not in my nature but my nature is causing me problems. I will have to do the freedom programme

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