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Advice and help with my boyfriend's parents please, am I the problem?

85 replies

anonhope · 24/03/2020 12:45

Just for some context: My boyfriend and I have been together for three years since we were 16, and we're 19 now. Our relationship hasn't been without some very rough periods and scenarios, and I have thought about breaking up with him on numerous occasions, but never had the 'final straw' moment. He has tendencies to be quite emotionally manipulative and invasive of personal boundaries, I've raised those issues with him over time and we've worked through most of them, although he does sometimes slip back into old habits. He also has a tendency to react to situations that he doesn't like with threats or manipulation, which, if he ever does now, I tell him that he is doing and he tends to calm down. I would say that he tries his best and that I've grown stronger as a person and I can quickly identify these negative behaviours, so tend to no longer put myself into situations that would trigger these reactions from him.

A lot of our issues, in my opinion, was that I liked my space, I liked spending time on my own, and could go long periods of time without seeing him. I also struggle with social anxiety and I have always found going to his house (his parents') really unnerving and would have to get myself worked up for it. His extended family are a whole other matter, and I've always felt like they find me a bit odd and really don't like me. I could be wrong, but they've never come across as particularly warm or inviting. Therefore, over time I've also come to avoid situations that involve them, I probably see them around once a year, which to me is normal (we're talking about Cousins, Second Cousins and Aunts and Uncles, not Grandparents). His parents have always been nice to me, and (as far as I'm aware) I think that they like me, but they're not particularly expressive and I sometimes think that they behave in ways that they think are appropriate, rather than in a warm or welcoming way. I don't mind them, I do find them to be a bit judgemental and controlling sometimes, but nothing that has ever been unbearable, and they have always made an effort.

The issue: I now haven't seen them since September, and I have a lot of guilt about it. But, I equally can't seem to be able to work out what the issue is. Just for some more context, my boyfriend is at University and lives around two hours away by train from me (I'm still at home with my parents), he comes home during the holidays, but we have gotten into the pattern of him coming and staying at my house for (a few nights or a week at a time) throughout the holidays. We don't really tend to go out or do fun things anymore. I really don't think he minds, he decides when he wants to come and go, I don't put any pressure on him, and honestly he never really invites me round to his house anymore (he knows that I tend to get quite anxious). There has been a few (like three or four) occasions where his parents have asked me out for dinner (indirectly, through my boyfriend) that I haven't been able to attend for genuine reasons, over the past six months. I always feel guilty when I can't go, because I know that they're making an effort, but equally, I always feel a bit annoyed with myself for feeling guilty, because they don't ask if or when I'm free, or ever communicate with me directly (unless they're texting to say thank you for a birthday present or something). They tend to just book a restaurant of their choice for a day that they choose, and then ask me if I can go. I guess it doesn't feel very 'adult' and it feels a bit like it should work both ways. Similarly, I've had a lot going on in my family life over the past six months. My Mum has been pretty ill and has had four lots of surgery since September, and has been off sick from work for the entire period, and has been stuck at home for months at a time. I've been at home with her most of the time, and have essentially been her carer, and ran the house. I also worked over the Christmas period and didn't really have any spare time with that and my mum being in the hospital around Christmas. Honestly, I've felt emotionally drained and like I've not had the energy to put myself into situations that I find anxious, and have probably become agoraphobic.

I suppose I can't work out if I should be feeling guilty or not. I can't work out whether these life circumstances are a reason or a justification, or whether this is a surface-level symptom of a deeper problem, whether with my boyfriend or his family or I don't know what. I know that this can't carry on forever, and I desperately don't want to cause offence because I'm in for the long haul I think, and I can't stand the idea of people not liking me. I could just do with some advice and words of wisdom with this whole issue, about whether this is serious, if I'm being silly. I'm wondering whether the issue could be communication, after all, I don't really know what my boyfriend tells them or how much they know of my current life circumstances. Help and advice, please.

OP posts:
anon25857 · 25/03/2020 15:36

@pallisers

I know, I understand that.
This will make me sound really immature, but I don't really have anyone else, the idea of dating terrifies me and doesn't sound very fun. I don't like the idea of having to get to know someone from scratch, or not having someone to rely on outside of my immediate family. It's scary and I know that that probably sounds really silly.

Aquamarine1029 · 25/03/2020 15:36

I am begging you to get out of this abusive, dead end relationship. You are with him simply out of habit and a misguided sense of loyalty. You're so young and so naive as to how healthy relationships should be. It's honestly heartbreaking from where I sit. GET RID.

pallisers · 25/03/2020 15:39

Why don't you not worry about dating at all and just start making friends (when all this madness is over). I have an 18 and 19 year old. neither of them are dating or care much about it. the most important relationships in their lives are their friends - not just old friends but friends they make now. Focus on building a bit of a friend group or even focus on building your own self-esteem and confidence. Then worry about meeting someone. you have no idea how young you are and how much time you have to sort out your romantic life.

SexIsAProtectedCharacteristic · 25/03/2020 16:19

Yes, please find some friends and stop spending energy and time on this guy. You sound stuck and a bit desperate, clinging on to something you know in your heart isn't right or you wouldn't be posting on here.

Don't worry about dating (why is your immediate thought that not having a bf means you need to start finding another one?).

Bin him off, this self isolation stuff is a good time to do it tbh as you won't be able to see each other. Spend a few weeks/months feeling sad, talk to your mum about it, I bet she would be pleased to have you open up to her. Then go off to uni somewhere far away AND HAVE A BRILLIANT TIME. That's an order Grin

I0NA · 25/03/2020 16:30

So you are 19 and live with your parents, with whom you are very close, you had an idyllic childhood and you’ve been caring for your mother who has been unwell. You have mental health problems, you are introverted, have social anxiety and stay at home a lot. Indeed you say have been stuck at home for months .

You mostly see your boyfriend when he comes to stay at your parents house, for up to a week at a time. Yet your parents don’t know that your boyfriend is controlling, threatening and manipulative and makes you unhappy and confused. They haven’t spotted that you are waking on egg shells around him .

Can you see how strange that sounds ?

FlowerArranger · 25/03/2020 16:30

I really urge you to read this book:

“The key is in learning how to live a healthy, satisfying, and serene life without being dependent on another person for happiness.”
― Robin Norwood, Women Who Love Too Much

anon25857 · 25/03/2020 16:43

@I0NA

Yes, when you put it like that it does sound a bit strange. As I said though, 90% of the time things are fine. The 10% of the time that things aren't, it's not screaming arguments or anything. It is situational, for example, the last time he was here, I took my dog for a walk, and asked him if he wanted to come, he said no (he never does, tends to just lie in bed watching tv) but asked if I'd go to the shop and buy him some food. I said no because I wasn't walking that way and was just popping out quickly. He begs me for twenty minutes to do what I tell him, tells me I'm selfish and threatens that if I don't that they'll be consequences or something. I don't go to the shop, just walk the dog, worrying that by not going I was being selfish or that he'll be angry when I get back. I get home and he's fine and in a good mood, and then I feel stupid for blowing it out of proportion, and think that it's all in my head. That might be a realy stupid example, but why would I share that with my parents?

anon25857 · 25/03/2020 16:43

@FlowerArranger

I've ordered it- thank you.

HelgaHere1 · 25/03/2020 16:48

Only read the first paragraph - FGS life's too short - dump him

I0NA · 25/03/2020 16:57

That’s a great example.

Either your Bf is acting like a dick, bullying you and threatening you. You are scared of saying no to him and fearful of his reaction. You worried the whole time you were out instead of enjoying the fresh air with your dog.

Or you are being selfish, Over reacting and imagining things and he’s a great guy.

Which one is it ? You don’t know and you have no friends to discuss it with .

Yet it never occurred to you to discuss this with your lovely parents who you spend most of your time with. Your mum, who knows him so well and knows a lot about how to make relationships work - you have never told her.

Why do you think that is ?

pooopypants · 25/03/2020 17:04

OP. You're 19. 19. A relationship shouldn't be this difficult at your age. And I say that trying to not be a patronising old fart.

You now don't put yourself into a situation? So he's brainwashed you. You've changed, you've become a different person. I'll bet my last pound that if you ask someone who's known you from before you were together, they barely recognise the person you've become.

Please PLEASE move on from this, because it will not get better. Believe me. I've been there, albeit in different circumstances. Find yourself again.

anon25857 · 25/03/2020 17:12

@I0NA

I don't know, embarrassment maybe. I'm close to my parents in a familial sense but have never really shared friendship or relationship issues with them. They are very supportive but were on the stricter side when I was a child, so I suppose I got used to missing out details that I thought they would 'tell me off' for, and I suppose that that pattern could have continued into adulthood. I really don't know, I just never have.

I know I'm not imagining it, because I run over things in my head and I'm constantly questioning myself and how I behave. I try to always apologise afterwards if I think I'm in the wrong. I do worry often though that I'm being selfish and that he responds in that sort of way because I'm being unreasonable. I have asked my mum about this before, if I'm being selfish in some situations, and she always says that if I was being selfish I wouldn't worry so much about it, and that sometimes, putting yourself first isn't selfish. I don't know if that's true.

I am scared of saying no to him, I always have been. There was an incident when I was 17, it was Father's Day, he invited me around to meet his extended family- we had only been together a couple of months. I didn't feel ready to meet them yet, and it was Father's Day so I wanted to be with my Dad and family, he was cooking a nice dinner and I was excited, so I explained and told him no. We argued about it all day, he was pretty nasty about it and I cried about it all afternoon. He told his dad that I'd agreed (I hadn't) and he came with his Dad to pick me up and take me to his house. I wasn't even dressed. He and his dad waited for me to get ready (I don't even know what he must have told him) so I had to go. I was anxious, my dad was upset because it was father's day, so I felt guilty, and honestly, it was traumatic. I now always have a fear that he'll show up when I've asked him not to. It makes me want to cry thinking about it. I still wonder if I overreacted and whether I should have just agreed in the first place.

HelenUrth · 25/03/2020 17:14

Your example speaks volumes about him.

  1. He's a lazy arse, just wants to lie in bed watching tv.
  2. If you don't agree to do what he's too lazy to do he will harangue you, going on and on. If you don't give in,
  3. The threats and abuse come out.

So then you go out with the dog, no doubt feeling stressed. You come back and he's pretending nothing happened, and you feel you must have been imagining or exaggerating his horrible words and it would be unreasonable of you to talk to your mum about it.

He is a nasty piece of work. I think you are buying into the "sunken costs fallacy" (Google it) and think because you have put 3 years into this master/slave relationship that you should stay. Don't.

I mentioned before about thinking of it as an overall timeframe.
Below is a representation of 6 decades, with an X for each year, using a small x for what you've put in so far. You're very early in this (abusive) relationship, you really don't want to be into retirement and still being abused.
xxxXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX

HelenUrth · 25/03/2020 17:16

Reading your last post is very upsetting. He doesn't listen to you, which if he cared about you he would. It has to be his way or he'll make you suffer.
Your life would be so much better without him in it.

pallisers · 25/03/2020 17:18

I am scared of saying no to him, I always have been. There was an incident when I was 17, it was Father's Day, he invited me around to meet his extended family- we had only been together a couple of months. I didn't feel ready to meet them yet, and it was Father's Day so I wanted to be with my Dad and family, he was cooking a nice dinner and I was excited, so I explained and told him no. We argued about it all day, he was pretty nasty about it and I cried about it all afternoon. He told his dad that I'd agreed (I hadn't) and he came with his Dad to pick me up and take me to his house. I wasn't even dressed. He and his dad waited for me to get ready (I don't even know what he must have told him) so I had to go. I was anxious, my dad was upset because it was father's day, so I felt guilty, and honestly, it was traumatic. I now always have a fear that he'll show up when I've asked him not to. It makes me want to cry thinking about it. I still wonder if I overreacted and whether I should have just agreed in the first place.

This should have been your final straw - years ago. It certainly would have been mine (and I wouldn't have gone and my dad would have told him to knob off). You should google the shark cage. I think you have an ineffective one through no fault of your own. Please just dump him. And when he tells you that you will never meet anyone who loves you so much yada yada yada (because he will) don't believe him. Believe me when I tell you that you are terribly young, you deserve far better than this fool, you have years ahead of you do deal with your anxiety, have fun, make friends, enjoy life and maybe meet someone who truly values you and brings joy to your life.

You have no idea how much nicer you are going to feel without him.

Dery · 25/03/2020 17:32

“It makes me want to cry thinking about it. I still wonder if I overreacted and whether I should have just agreed in the first place.”

This epitomises what concerns all of us reading your posts. What you’re really saying is “I still wonder whether I should have ignored my own feelings and my father’s feelings and done what he wanted?”

Of course you shouldn’t have. You had every right to stick to your plans and expect him to respect that - not bully you into submission. That 90% of the time when it’s going well - I bet that’s when you’re behaving the way he wants you to behave. You are in an abusive relationship. This man is a dead weight. Dump him. Go to uni as far away from him as possible and start living the independent, exciting and interesting life you should be living at 19.

Good luck.

Lllot5 · 25/03/2020 17:54

What did your dad say about Father’s Day. Mine would’ve told him to fuck off out of it.

anon25857 · 25/03/2020 17:58

@Lllot5

He was just disappointed as he thought I'd arranged to go and not told him. I never told the full story as I didn't really know what to say.

Nanny0gg · 25/03/2020 18:41

You must tell your parents. They need to know what he's really like.

Then they will support you when you dump him.

Georgie31 · 25/03/2020 18:52

Anxiety!!! You have anxiety!!! This constant worrying if they like you or not, not wanting to leave your house and prefer him to come to your house. Second guessing why they have invited you out. I'm not at all sticking up for him or his family they could be making you feel
a lot more welcome. But it does sound to me you suffer with anxiety.... I've been there and still suffer but have it controlled. CBT really helped me. It helps to control those negative thoughts. If you and your bf don't work out the anxiety won't go away it will still be there. Go and see your Gp they can advise you xx

Jennifer2r · 25/03/2020 19:21

For those saying 19 is too young for this sort of relationship, let's be clear

This sort of behaviour is unacceptable at any age, in a relationship of any length, with any level of involvement.

Just fucking dump him. You'll feel a massive relief. Even if you never, ever date again.

Jennifer2r · 25/03/2020 19:23

Argh I want to reach through the screen and shake you. And by 'you', I mean 'me 20 years ago'. Please listen to us.

Cherrysoup · 25/03/2020 20:32

We argued about it all day, he was pretty nasty about it and I cried about it all afternoon. He told his dad that I'd agreed (I hadn't) and he came with his Dad to pick me up and take me to his house. I wasn't even dressed. He and his dad waited for me to get ready (I don't even know what he must have told him) so I had to go

You didn’t have to go. You’re making choices every time he controls you you acceding to his manipulative demands. You know you’re allowed to say no to him?

Can you imagine being married and having children with him? I bet he would do nothing in the house, no looking after his own dc, he wants life to continue as it is now. You don’t get to have friends or go out without him. What a horrible life for you.

DontBe · 25/03/2020 20:33

Him being integrated into your family is not a reason to stay with him, it’s an excuse. You’re with him out of habit and because you don’t want to be on your own.

My ex was integrated into my family, my brother’s exes were. But when we split up with them my mum was just happy we were happy. Because that was all that mattered. And it turned out she didn’t like my ex anyway.

OP the examples you give are awful. He is manipulative and a controlling bully.

Pentium85 · 25/03/2020 20:35

Not even going to bother to read your whole post, it's not necessary. Don't even need to know what your 'issue' is.

You need to bin this 'man' and find someone who respects you, and brings you joy with manipulating you.